The smoking gun - there are LESS chemtrails in cold winter!

The winter is here!
We have snow on the ground and there have been below 0 for more than a week now. (Global warming... yeah, never been so cold so early here...)

And during this period, there have been 0 airplanes with a consisting contrail... Now, isnt that interesting.. Earlier I have seen atleast 5 airplanes a day leaving a big "contrail". And now when its real cold, there would have been ALOT MORE contrails! Even the small private planes are making trails now!

The question now, is why? Maybe they are having problems with the chemtrails in cold weather because it form ice crystals? The technology doesnt work that good?

Ever been out and taking photos in real cold weather? When you breathe there is a big white cloud coming out of your mouth, there are falling ice crystals everywhere - and the camera is real slow and its difficult to get it to work!

Maybe they are having the same problem with their HAARP technology.. Or perhaps the virus they spray out are dying? lol...

Look up people!

winter? not in my part of the hemisphere yet.

WE have snow in Norway already, and it fell around september 26th or something..

Not here in Oslo, but abit farther north, snow up in the mountains wouldnt be wierd as it is higher in altitude...

Im guessing this winter will be worse than last years winter and let us see what the MSM will say about it ..

there were predictions its going to be a cold winter.
i guess that beats global warming in a way.

Originally posted by Annav
The winter is here!
And during this period, there have been 0 airplanes with a consisting contrail... Now, isnt that interesting.. Earlier I have seen atleast 5 airplanes a day leaving a big "contrail". And now when its real cold, there would have been ALOT MORE contrails! Even the small private planes are making trails now!

It what you are saying is true, that there are fewer trails of any kind (chemtrail or contrail) in the winter, to me that would be evidence that these things are not chemtrails but rather they are just contrails. In the winter, the air is extremely dry, so water-vapor based contrails should quickly evaporate due to the dry air. If they are chemical-based sprays however they should linger in the air just as they would in the summer because chemical spays would not be nearly as affected by the weather as much as contrails are.

Originally posted by truthquest
It what you are saying is true, that there are fewer trails of any kind (chemtrail or contrail) in the winter, to me that would be evidence that these things are not chemtrails but rather they are just contrails. In the winter, the air is extremely dry, so water-vapor based contrails should quickly evaporate due to the dry air. If they are chemical-based sprays however they should linger in the air just as they would in the summer because chemical spays would not be nearly as affected by the weather as much as contrails are.

No! Thats not what I am saying!

There are contrails. Contrails even from small aircrafts.

But there are 0 BIG EVERLASTING CONTRAILS that sits in the sky for +1 hour.. = what we call chemtrails.

I guess someone need to change wikipedia now..

From:
Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.

Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours.

To:
Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.

Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours.

These contrails that persist for many hours does not exist when its getting winter and cold in the air. That may seems strange when even small birds can cause contrails at these times, but it is very logically to scientist paid by *******

reply to post by Annav


I think it just proves the point that chemtrails are a fantasy and con trails are what you see. If the air wasn't so dry, they might last longer.

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Nope no smoking gun I'm afraid, if anything it's a smoking gun against chemtrails.

I would argue the point with you but I read your signature and agree wholeheartedly with what it says.

Im not surprised over that!

If I had said there were MORE contrails now and lasting even longer than in summer you would say it is because the cold air produces more ice crystals...


I am hoping one of those "contrails" soon fly down and bite you all non-trailers in the b*tt!

reply to post by Annav


I guess I am confused. You reported what you are seeing in your area, we commented on the scientific reasoning behind what you are seeing, and you don't believe us. Is that about right?

Looking into the science behind why contrails form. But don't take my word for it. I almost certainly have agenda and am a paid disinformation specialist. Look for upper atmosphere information and con trail formation.

Or you could just keep believing that the boogyman is flying 747's instead of living under your bed.

Originally posted by Annav
The winter is here!
We have snow on the ground and there have been below 0 for more than a week now. (Global warming... yeah, never been so cold so early here...)

And during this period, there have been 0 airplanes with a consisting contrail... Now, isnt that interesting..

Not really very interesting at all since ground conditions have no bearing whatsoever on whether contrails will form and persist.

What has the temperature and humidity been at c30,000ft?

Originally posted by Annav
If I had said there were MORE contrails now and lasting even longer than in summer you would say it is because the cold air produces more ice crystals...

No, we would have said "what has the temperature and humidity at c30,000ft been"

Just because it's 0c at sea level does not mean that at 30,000ft it's any colder than it is when the sea level temp is 20c.

However, you are right in that on average, conditions for persistent contrails are more prevalent during the winter months than in summer. Though here in Britain I find from experience that the best conditions are often autumn - probably because although temps are falling we still get some humid tropical air drawn up by former tropical cyclones - such as Grace who's paying us a visit later tomorrow (look out for "chemtrails" especially across SE England ahead of the frontal systems )

[edit on 5-10-2009 by Essan]

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that's a good point. The theory will be able to be seen in action with the front coming in. People should take some pictures over there to show how the upper air being moist will affect con trail formation.

In the summer-time we had airplanes that left small contrails and a handful that left BIG persistent hour long contrails. Some of them probably was stuck in the sky for days or weeks, but what do I know?.. but makes one wonder if thats why we have earthquakes and tsunamis - when those chemclouds are falling down!

But these planes that left those trails are said to fly at a higher altitude, and because its colder there, it makes the contrail bigger and more persistent.

Now we have cold weather (On the ground that is, but usually when we see less sun its usually get colder higher up also). And when you almost leave a contrail when you burp, you would assume there would be atleast 1 airplane that leave 1 BIG fat persistent contrail anywhere on the sky, high or low.. No.. nothing.. nada.. zip.. zero..

But still we have the normal contrails.. which have been seen all the summer!

Well, maybe everything make sense! Maybe its logically!
But I cant see the pattern!

And yes! I wish I could jump up in the atmosphere and take some measurements with me! But I cant!

reply to post by Annav


You could do worse than learn a bit about how and why contrails form and sometimes linger.

This is a good starting point (IMHO):

www.airspacemag.com...

As already explained, the most likely reason for no contrails being observed recently is due to the air at much higher altitudes being too dry (relative humidity is not high enough)

The 'smoking gun' for chemtrails is when we have several irrefuatble instances of persistent chemtrails being observed and recorded at the same time as radiosondes indicate without any doubt that atmospheric conditions in the exact same place are not conducive to contrail formation according to long held meteorological wisdom.

(of course some may counter that those responsible for chemtrails are well aware of this and that's why they only spray them when atmospheric conditions are conducive to normal contrail formation - though this begs the further question of what the point of chemtrails is if they have such limitations....)

reply to post by Annav


The atmospheric conditions that cause a contrail to spread out for a long period of time normally occur on the leading edge of a warm front. Fewer warm fronts in winter = less contrails. Simple.

This is very basic science.