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Originally posted by David9176
The last post is right...I have heard these numbers as well.
Something to think about....
17 percent unemployment rate right now..
How many of those can afford insurance? COBRA is insanely expensive and most people who are on unemployment can't afford it. I went uninsured for awhile myself for the same reason.
What if you lost your job and suddenly got very ill or somehow obtained a life threatening disease?
Would you say? "Nope...it's against my ideals!!!!!???"
What if it was a family member....father, mother, son, or daughter???
Originally posted by uaocteaou
reply to post by dizzie56
Dude, you're kidding right..?
just google whatever FACT you have a problem with, it took me all of 10 seconds to answer your first question...LOL
WASHINGTON (Reuters) Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:11pm EDT- Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
we have over 305million people in the united states. at 45,000 people a year, that is less than a tenth of a percent that is dieing a year due to lack of health care (0.014754%...). More people die a year due to cancer than lack of health insurance. not to sound cold, but given the numbers, that aint so bad if you actually think about it.
Originally posted by dizzie56
at 45,000 people a year, that is less than a tenth of a percent that is dieing a year due to lack of health care
More people die a year due to cancer than lack of health insurance.
given the numbers, that aint so bad if you actually think about it.
Well, it's not very private if it's all over the papers!
He's not declining to say in public what he is pushing behind closed doors.
Comprehension 101
Originally posted by David9176
He was an advocate for single payer in his past....public option is the next best thing for those who want single payer.
They CAN cure the 45,000 yearly deaths in the US from a lack of health insurance.
-I guess I'm just not as cold as you bro- I can't justify the deaths of 45,000 people because something else kills more people yearly.
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Mak Manto
Until the 1940's, health care was provided by INDIVIDUALS to INDIVIDUALS.
Hospitals were largely run by universities, charities and non-profits! Look around the larger cities. Remember places like "Baptist Hospital," "St. Judes," "Methodist Hopsital," et c? The "Mayo Clinic," the "Shriners' Institute?"
What happened?
The U. S. government gave tax deductions to employers who were competing for an exploding work force. They offered employer-paid health insurance.
As health care costs rose, the U.S. government provided subsidies to "managed care" groups to keep them down.
And if I recall correctly, I don't remember Obama stating he wants privatized health care gone. He said people can keep their health care if they want it.
Wrong. You do not "recall correctly."
At first, POTUS said that, UNTIL people pointed out that private care could not compete with government-run care.
Go back and read the text of his latest speeches. He doesn't say THAT anymore!
He says: "You will not be forced to give up your insurance or your doctors."
But, if there is no insurance, or if your boss can't afford it for you, then you won't have it anymore!
No one will force you, you just won't have any CHOICE!
An attorney's choice of words is important. All words have meaning.
You just don't get it.
jw
It seems to me the OP's whole purpose in this thread is to say he or she doesn't like the public option. If the president doesn't agree with him then the president is, presumably, evil.
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by uaocteaou
They CAN cure the 45,000 yearly deaths in the US from a lack of health insurance.
-I guess I'm just not as cold as you bro- I can't justify the deaths of 45,000 people because something else kills more people yearly.
NOPE!
First, the Harvard study is flawed in its sampling.
Second, it only makes a connection, it doesn't say CAUSED BY no insurance. (any pea-brain knows that correlation DOES NOT equal causation)
Example: 80% of EVERYONE who reaches their 40th birthday wiull die before they reach 85. Causal?
Third, and very important, it makes no claims whatsoever that ANY of the deaths would have been prevented by government-run healthcare, or ANY health care.
Some people die because they can't be saved.
Sort of like your arguments, huh?
jw
Originally posted by carewemust
Obama is just too damn nice and diplomatic. I don't know if it's genuine
caring for getting a balanced approach, or if he's just afraid to put down
his foot and demand what he wants. In fact, I don't recall Obama ever
demanding anything over the past 9 months...do any of you? He's
suggested courses of action somewhat forcefully, but I've never seen
him physically show the emotion of determination. I was really hoping
that all the "rah-rah" during the campaign would translate into forceful
action for CHANGE that would be good for all the "little" guys/gals.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
1) So, making it a percentage changes something? That's 45,000 people dying unnecessarily. I don't care if it's .000001%. Those 123 people dying every day are REAL people, not just numbers. They have families.
2) Do you suggest we do nothing about cancer, too? I'm not sure I understand the connection... You do know those are PEOPLE, like you. Right?
given the numbers, that aint so bad if you actually think about it.
3) Oh, for Christ's Sake! "Given the numbers, that ain't so bad"??? :shk: I give up.
Originally posted by Kaploink
Why the private insurance companies are so afraid of a little competition from the government? All they have to do is provide a better service at a reasonable cost to compete. I am pretty sure they will be able to do so.
Originally posted by Kaploink
Why the private insurance companies are so afraid of a little competition from the government? All they have to do is provide a better service at a reasonable cost to compete. I am pretty sure they will be able to do so.