History They Won't Teach You in School

Originally posted by Epitaph25
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It boggles my mind that the government and the media that it controls has convinced a lot of people that these wars are a necessity, that there is a boogeyman somewhere in the middle east, who is plotting a plan to destroy us, that a little loss of liberty here and there is for the greater good.
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Have you bothered to take a look at the responses of other nations about terrorism?

The French President stated that France would use NUCLEAR WEAPONS in response to terrorist attacks.

Last Updated: Thursday, 19 January 2006, 12:56 GMT

France 'would use nuclear arms'

French President Jacques Chirac has said France would be ready to use nuclear weapons against any state which launched a terrorist attack against it.
Speaking at a nuclear submarine base in north-western France, Mr Chirac said a French response "could be conventional. It could also be of another nature."

He said France's nuclear forces had been configured for such an event.

France has had an independent nuclear deterrent since 1960, after an arms programme ordered by Charles de Gaulle.

'Odious attacks'

The BBC's Alistair Sandford in Paris says this is the first time that Mr Chirac has so clearly linked the threat of a nuclear response to a terrorist attack.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Then you have The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) in which China, and Russia are the main powers but which includes other nations, some of which are known to have helped terrorist organizations for their own end, and they calim to have funded this organization supposedly to fight terrorism.

This organization was first funded in 1996 as the Shanghai Five, but when Uzbekistan joined the organization it was renamed in 2001 to SCO, and the members of the organization claim they joined forces to fight the three evils of terrorism, separatism and extremism.

These nations included SEPARATISM in their fight against terrorism, which started at least in 1996, mainly because some states want to declare independence from them, such as Taiwan wanting independence from China.

Every other nation has also been fighting their own versions of terrorism, so don't try to blame this only on the U.S....


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Some members are saying this came from Michael Moore. Do you remember the lies he made about the healthcare of Cuba being better than the one in the U.S.? and that Cubans could get medicine much cheaper in Cuba than in the U.S.?....

I still have family in Cuba, and we have to send them medicine because it can't be found there, Moore was obviously in cahoots with castro to make it look like healthcare in Cuba is wonderful.

You should also know that Moore is lying, in Cuba the hospitals for regular people lack the basic necessities, and more so prescription medicines, not to talk about food. The only hospitals that are well stocked are those reserved for rich tourists, and the Cuban elite.

Last I talked to my family there things are even worse now.

If this is from one of Moore mockumentaries, it is nothing more than exagerations, and lies from a man that is getting rich from naive Americans, and other naive people in the world...



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Originally posted by neformore

Its not "another ./hate America thread.

Its actual, documented history.
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Someone above mentioned Chavez - yes - he's done heinous things as well - how does that make the heinous things done in the name of "US National Interest" any better?

It doesn't.

It also doesn't mean that they didn't happen.

Welcome to the real world. Its messy, its ugly and lots of people tend to die.

The OP focused on the U.S., and apparently this came from one of moore's mockumentaries? Does anyone know if that is true?

Anyway, because other countries do things like the U.S. has done it doesn't make it "alright", but it did make it "necessary."

The U.S. was one of the only countries that has been fighting the Communist agenda for decades, and their agenda is not to spread "brotherhood, and love," they spread hate, and death, and the only way you can fight this disease is by fighting it with all you got.

Unfortunately the U.S. has been slowly indoctrinated into "siding with the revolutionaries," and cheering for their agenda, which they claim is one of love, and brotherhood, but if you look at every place where these "revolutionaries" are, they are murdering their own people, and they only spread hate, and death.

Even after the "revolutionaries" that are spreading the Communist agenda around the world win, and the places where they fought have finally accepted Communism, things get even worse, and the people are even more oppressed.

Anyway, sometimes the only response is to fight back, otherwise you might as well just put your weapons down, kiss your behind goodbye to every individual freedom you have had, and bow to the Communist agenda.

Americans have been indoctrinated also into believing that "Communism is dead" which even a Democrat senator claimed because of her own ignorace.

Communism is not dead, it is still around, and there are terrorist groups trying to spread this disease around the world in many different ways, including by spreading propaganda against "Capitalism" and against the U.S. in general.



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Yes. It contains footage from Bowling for Columbine, Operation: Freedom Iraq, and Pathocracy but is heavily edited to match the audio track.

Michale Moore might exaggerate, and fudge a few facts. But, I think, he means well in his heart, and stands against the corporations like the ones that produce his movies. It's a shame he is still in denial about Obama and democrats.

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Agreed. My parents are Cuban and we're here under political asylum. Moore is a hardcore lefty, and has very little understanding of economics. But I also think he means well in a lot of ways, I just wish he would see the 2 party dictatorship for what it is.

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./agreed

2nd line

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I am certain that he is just after the money. He saw that there is a lot of discontent, and capitalized on it, and even lied. Not to mention that he called those Americans who died on the planes on 911 as "scaredy cats"... Which in itself shows he is not only ignorant, as there were people who fought against the terrorists in at leat one plane, but that he will make up anything trying to support his agenda.

Moore claims Capitalism is anti-American... and anti-Jesus.... he uses the same lies used by the "revolutionaries" such as Chavez.

Do any of you remember the people who worked for him who have spoken as to what kind of man he is?

He is making money through Capitalism, but he wants to bash and blame Capitalism...

I am not sure why he didn't cover anything on The Federal Reserve in his latest movie. He has been ignoring the root cause of issues in all his movies. This is beyond ignorance.

Iran/Contra affair during the Reagan administration is taught in schools.

What sort of information do you want to teach your kids about in school? And at what point do you teach them?

If you are taking poli-sci, you will hear a great deal about american expansionist doctrines etc etc.

IN grade school, you'll learn to count to 100!
In middle school, you'll learn to write using prose and poetry
In high school you will prepare for higher learning and explore more difficult tools of understanding.

Where exactly do you want to put a class about great American failures in that stream?

In current events? Cause Reagan was 20+years ago now.
In civics class? Because there are new problems to talk about?

You can pretty much count on the fact that todays students are not interested in their parents generation of failure. Every generation has it's failures on any front. economics, war, disease, human rights etc.

There's plenty wrong in the world right now and Reagan's blunders are pretty much a footnote these days.

that was an outstanding video! thanks for posting it. I was aware of most of that, but the video really solidifies what the U.S. is capable of.

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I'm sure and based upon your statement I'm not seeing how we disagree.
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Epitaph -here is some other factual history that will not be taught in schools:

The horrific experiments conducted by the army and CIA at Edgewood Arsenal and Mcgill University,unchecked by any responsible authority,only got worse.
By 1959 ,'___' was a sideshow,compared with another chemical: Quinunclidinyl Benzilate, or B.Z.
Incredibly,this drug possessed effects far more profound than '___' and which lasted for three days,although effects lasting as long as six days occurred at times.
Between 1959 and 1975,an estimated 2,800 U.S. Soldiers were given B.Z. at Edgewood Arsenal.
About this time, Jose Delgado invented a device he called the Stimoceiver.
This was a miniature depth electrode able to receive and transmit electronic signals over FM radio waves.
By stimulating a correctly postitioned stimoceiver,an outside operator could weild a surpising degree of control over the subject responses.

And:

From June 6th to June 10th (1966),the army conducted biological warfare tests in the New York City subway system.
Trillions of bacillus subtilis variant n*ger germs were released into the subway system during peak travel hours.

Excerpts from Historian Richard Dolan's book 'UFOs and the National Security State':
keyholepublishing.com...

Cheers.

Originally posted by karl 12
reply to post by Epitaph25

 

Epitaph -here is some other factual history that will not be taught in schools:

The horrific experiments conducted by the army and CIA at Edgewood Arsenal and Mcgill University,unchecked by any responsible authority,only got worse.
By 1959 ,'___' was a sideshow,compared with another chemical: Quinunclidinyl Benzilate, or B.Z.
Incredibly,this drug possessed effects far more profound than '___' and which lasted for three days,although effects lasting as long as six days occurred at times.
Between 1959 and 1975,an estimated 2,800 U.S. Soldiers were given B.Z. at Edgewood Arsenal.
About this time, Jose Delgado invented a device he called the Stimoceiver.
This was a miniature depth electrode able to receive and transmit electronic signals over FM radio waves.
By stimulating a correctly postitioned stimoceiver,an outside operator could weild a surpising degree of control over the subject responses.

And:

From June 6th to June 10th (1966),the army conducted biological warfare tests in the New York City subway system.
Trillions of bacillus subtilis variant n*ger germs were released into the subway system during peak travel hours.

Excerpts from Historian Richard Dolan's book 'UFOs and the National Security State':
keyholepublishing.com...

Cheers.

Thanks for the info. I might make another follow-up video and include some of the points that you mentioned.

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[edit on 6-10-2009 by Epitaph25]

Originally posted by Epitaph25
Thanks for the info. I might make another follow-up video and include some of the points that you mentioned.

Go for it
Theres also some other quite disturbing reading about such patents
as 'Televisual Behavior Modification' and 'Subliminal Carrier Technology' at this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Cheers.

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The French President stated that France would use NUCLEAR WEAPONS in response to terrorist attacks.

About cuba :
You are right. But in fact - cuba have a lot more doctor - and the education is ( as the legend said ) really open. 'THey' - the politics - are happy and they say : "look, we are poor - and that show you we are not capitalist ". Are they totally wrong ?

BUt you are right they don't get all they need.


Ho, and do you know that without oil - the petrochemical stuffs will be far more difficult to build, also for our culture ? ( and i wish to add - do you know how do we make fertilizer ? From energy - and mostly Gaz. How do you think overpopulated world will become without a suffisient amount of fertilizer ... oh oh ).

Back to a normal world maybe.


How will be a world without oil and gaz ... ?

You understand that in let say - 20 to 40 years - there will be no oil anymore - we will be a little prepared, for the energy, but energy is not the chemy.

As soon as armys around the world will be the only oil customer, then this a next part to nwo plan.

I've never been really convinced with this whole term "war crime" - as if war is played in some santised game. The rules to war are to get the opposition to admit defeat - if this kills 300 people in a horrible way, is that better than killing 1,000 people cleanly?

So once you are on the subject of war, ALL countries are guilty of war crimes whether its the acts within the war or the lies that are told to cause the war

Originally posted by templar knight
I've never been really convinced with this whole term "war crime" - as if war is played in some santised game. The rules to war are to get the opposition to admit defeat - if this kills 300 people in a horrible way, is that better than killing 1,000 people cleanly?

So once you are on the subject of war, ALL countries are guilty of war crimes whether its the acts within the war or the lies that are told to cause the war

Some are more guilty than others.

Originally posted by highlyoriginal
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We should all put together the knowledge we have and make an online "History Book" that tells about the true events that have happened in the world, with the facts straightened. That would be pretty cool.

I am sorry, don't you mean to say to skew the history books into what you believe?

The thing is that people like you have actually been brainwashed without you knowing it about it to bash and blame the U.S., and more so "Capitalism" and "Imperialism" when people like you don't seem to realize that you have been brainwashed to accept the agenda of those who seek, and are winning at destroying the U.S.

Most of the people in power now are the same hippies from the 70s who also decided to accept the Communist propaganda, and lies as if they were the truth. This is in great part the rason why we are in the mess we are in.

Those in power, and the elite behind the curtain are behind all this brainsawhing trying to subdue the United States alonside with the rest of the world.

Once this happens there will be no stopping the elitists, and those in power in the U.S. who happen to be the hippies who bought into the Socialist/Communist propaganda back in the 70s.

Have peope like you EVER seen what the revolutionaries are doing even TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE for money? and more so so their own people accept the "revolutionary agenda"?...

People like you claim to be "awakened" yet you are more asleep, and more brainwashed than those you claim to be asleep, and to be ignorant of "true history."

Without the U.S., the Communists would have run rampant and would have spread their disease around the world, and still all the U.S. was able to do is stop what seems to be inevitable only for a few decades, because for a long time the elitists, which includes Socialists/Communists have found out that the best way to take over a country like the U.S. is to indoctrinate it's people as much s possible, and to infiltrate seats of power within the government.

You want to know why people like you "think" that you know the truth, yet you are only brainwashed into believing lies?

Here is an interview of a former KGB officer telling it as it s, and giving Americans a warning back in the 80s.

www.dailymotion.com...

I put that video in the followng thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes, there has been a systematic indoctrination, but those who have been brainwashed for the most part happen to be the ones who claim propaganda as that stated in the OP video is the truth.

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Originally posted by psychederic

The French President stated that France would use NUCLEAR WEAPONS in response to terrorist attacks.

Yes, i posted that so people can see that other countries, like France would actually resort to using a nuclear weapons which is worse than what the U.S. and even the UK did.

Originally posted by psychederic
About cuba :
You are right. But in fact - cuba have a lot more doctor - and the education is ( as the legend said ) really open. 'THey' - the politics - are happy and they say : "look, we are poor - and that show you we are not capitalist ". Are they totally wrong ?

BUt you are right they don't get all they need.

Cuba has more doctors as opose to where?

As for the education in Cuba bein open?....

I was born and lived part of my life in Cuba, hence i experienced "education" in Cuba, and it is more "indoctrination' than "education".

They, the politics are happy?... Are you trying to say the Communist elite are happy? of course they are. they have total control of Cuba, and use the Cuban people to harvest food, and oher products wich are sold, or sent to other countries to spread the "revolution" to other countries, instead of using what is produced in Cuba to feed the people.

The Communist elite is NOT poor. The elites have the best houses, which they took from the families who owned those houses, and ranches, meanwhile the Communist system decides who gets to live where. Not to mention they get to decide how much food, if there is any, you can buy at the "bodegas," and the fact that the tourist areas, and tourist/elie hospitals are well stocked and with the best medical equipment meanwhile the REGULAR Cubans don't have proper medical care, and lack even the necessities, such as doctors lacking syringes, gloves, and even medication.

Sometimes doctors in Cuba have to resort to home cures, which in some cases do have effect, but in many cases it doesn't do much.

Cubans living in Cuba have to depend on their families outside the island to et proper medicine, and even money to buy food in the black market. otherwise they would go without eating for weeks at a time.

I know a friend, who i met the last time i visited Cuba in 2001, and she did not have family in the U.S. and her, and her mother would go without eating at times for weeks, even though she still had to do MANDATORY Community Service, which she was not paid for and she had to harvest fruit, and veggies, as well as tobacco that she couldn't eat, or sell to buy food or anything else.

Are the elites wrong? YES THEY ARE...

Originally posted by psychederic
Ho, and do you know that without oil - the petrochemical stuffs will be far more difficult to build, also for our culture ? ( and i wish to add - do you know how do we make fertilizer ? From energy - and mostly Gaz. How do you think overpopulated world will become without a suffisient amount of fertilizer ... oh oh ).
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I have no idea what you are trying to say with the above.

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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I am sorry, don't you mean to say to skew the history books into what you believe?

The thing is that people like you have actually been brainwashed without you knowing it about it to bash and blame the U.S., and more so "Capitalism" and "Imperialism" when people like you don't seem to realize that you have been brainwashed to accept the agenda of those who seek, and are winning at destroying the U.S.

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I am sorry but do you seriously think that the Capitalism is a just system? This doesn't imply that we should give it up and accept Communism. However, with a little research, it is quite evident that the present system is highly favorable to a few who earn a disproportionate amount of money at the expense of the common people. In a true capitalistic society, General Motors would earn money only one way: By selling you a car that you want at a price that you are willing to pay.

What we have here is crony capitalism in which Banks are too big to fail when infact they are too big to bail out. As a consequence, the divide between the haves and the have nots keeps on increasing. The Profits are marginalized to a few while the Losses are socialized to many. The game is rigged, and you are in the losing team, just like myself.