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Originally posted by UmbraSumus
Some guy named Goldstone - says Israel is guilty of committing War Crimes.


Perhaps discussing the issues , and not the messengers ethnicity /faith would be more fruitful .

Some guy named Goldstone from South Africa citing HRW's words in a report but now bogged down with flimsy credibility because of the Nazi fascination in the Marc Galasco fiasco.

HRW is not to be trusted. Go look at their funding, they are directly financed by Saudi petrodollars from a country where discrimination against women and non-Arabs is institutionalized. How did they get that funding? Through denouncing Israel in front of Saudi oil magnates and the royal family.

Amnesty International doesn't know squat since the Jenin Massacre rumour since the media takes everything they say way too seriously. An impotent organization like that shouldn't be allowed to have a say. Nice job they're doing with Myanmar and the struggle there, no headlines from them, strange.

Deny Trend Activism. You all forget about the Tibetans, the Burmese, the Uighurs, the refugees, the Congolese, the sectarian violence, the people of Darfur, rampant rape in South Africa, and the numerous victims of human trafficking every day.

And here you go focusing on the Israeli-Arab tensions as the number one concern. Shame on you.

Originally posted by DnevnoiOriginally posted by UmbraSumus
Some guy named Goldstone - says Israel is guilty of committing War Crimes.

Deny Trend Activism. You all forget about the Tibetans, the Burmese, the Uighurs, the refugees, the Congolese, the sectarian violence, the people of Darfur, rampant rape in South Africa, and the numerous victims of human trafficking every day.

And here you go focusing on the Israeli-Arab tensions as the number one concern. Shame on you.

Shame that we are discussing about one political conflict which would result in WW3? I'm sorry but your short sightedness to review topics which would affect globally not only in one particular area will not help. I appreciate you are concerned about other areas so why not make a thread about it and start a discussion instead of hijacking a thread about a different issue?

Let's see how history judges ElBaradei term as head of the IAEA in about 2 to 3 years.......... So far the IAEA hasn't inspired much hope as they seem to be one or more steps behind Iran's nuclear ambitions. What exactly has the IAEA done that wasn't because of disclosure/pressure by the West in regards to Iran? If it wasn't for the West, Iran would probably already have a bomb on the IAEA ever vigilant watch.

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[edit on 4-10-2009 by pavil]

I'm still not understanding.

Israel has been invaded and attacked by four Arab coalitions, and THEY are the threat?

That just doesn't compute.

And I don't care how many Israel haters you get to arrive at that conclusion.

Jesus Christ!

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Lebanon.

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Syria.

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Jordan

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Iraq.

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Saudi Arabian forces.

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Egypt.

In 1967, Syria lined up multiple divisions and stated their intent to eradicate and fired on Israel.

In 1967, Jordan lined up their military and stated their intent to eradicate Israel.

In 1967 Egypt lined up multiple divisions and stated their intent to eradicate Israel.

In 1973, Egypt attacked Israel and stated their intent was the death of Israel.

In 1973, Syria attacked Israel and stated their intent was the destruction of Israel.

I mean, just how damned stupid does one have to be to see the pattern here?

Anyone?

And because the FAILED each time to soak the ground with Israeli blood as they stated publicly, they're embarrassed and they're pissed.

Nothing like having your ass kicked when you outnumber, outgun, and out rich your puny little opponent.

Not only that, but each time losing land for your effort.

The only way this can possibly get any better, is to have sympathetic voices state such stupidity and make wild claims as these clowns who denounce Israel at every opportunity.

Were I Israeli, I would at least EARN this rap, and smoke some neighbors at the next opportunity.

I mean, it's not like they're going to get any bad press, or anything.

If there were any credibility to this I would expect the Guardian to have jumped right on it. They wouldn't have missed this, it would have been huge news for the Israel hating liberal press.

ElBaradei is getting the boot next month anyway - good riddance.

A Muslim cant be labeled an anti-semite because *DRUMROLL*...Muslims also count as semites.

In fact jews and Muslims both refer to Sem as their "founding" father

Well the IAEA isn't in the UN/US' pockets after all. Wonders will never cease. First of all they back up the Iranians and confirm that they're allowing inspections and generally playing ball, and now this.

It's good news that at least some groups have the balls to speak out against Israel. I wonder how many Amnesty internationals and IAEA's it will take to get something done about the situation.

Are we to take it that if any Muslim says anything negative about the west or Israel it should be discounted, simply because he is Muslim ?

Originally posted by dooper
I'm still not understanding.

Israel has been invaded and attacked by four Arab coalitions, and THEY are the threat?

That just doesn't compute.

And I don't care how many Israel haters you get to arrive at that conclusion.

Jesus Christ!

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Lebanon.

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Syria.

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Jordan

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Iraq.

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Saudi Arabian forces.

Attacked and invaded in 1948-49 by Egypt.

In 1967, Syria lined up multiple divisions and stated their intent to eradicate and fired on Israel.

In 1967, Jordan lined up their military and stated their intent to eradicate Israel.

In 1967 Egypt lined up multiple divisions and stated their intent to eradicate Israel.

In 1973, Egypt attacked Israel and stated their intent was the death of Israel.

In 1973, Syria attacked Israel and stated their intent was the destruction of Israel.

I mean, just how damned stupid does one have to be to see the pattern here?

Anyone?

And because the FAILED each time to soak the ground with Israeli blood as they stated publicly, they're embarrassed and they're pissed.

Nothing like having your ass kicked when you outnumber, outgun, and out rich your puny little opponent.

Not only that, but each time losing land for your effort.

The only way this can possibly get any better, is to have sympathetic voices state such stupidity and make wild claims as these clowns who denounce Israel at every opportunity.

Were I Israeli, I would at least EARN this rap, and smoke some neighbors at the next opportunity.

I mean, it's not like they're going to get any bad press, or anything.

I'm with you here... To claim that Isreal is THE threat in the ME is really completely forgetting about simple history...

Originally posted by Lazyninja
First of all they back up the Iranians and confirm that they're allowing inspections and generally playing ball, and now this.

Lazy, you do realize that Iran will not let IAEA inspectors go to any other sites that they suspect Iran might be conducting nuclear activities. Iran will only allow inspections, on Iran's terms, at sites that Iran has declared. Twice now Iran has not disclosed nuclear sites till they were "outed" by western intelligence agencies.

That doesn't make you question if they have other sites? Personally, I wouldn't trust someone that lied twice about the same thing.