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posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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www.gnmagazine.org...


that's a great link!
it's extremely logical. thanks for sharing it.

[edit on 5-10-2009 by undo]




posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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Defending Hitler's belief in evolution by attacking Christianity really doesn't help your cause. Hitler was not a Christian and he justified his killing spree with his belief in evolution. Beliefs have consequences, and the consequences of believing in evolution have proven to be disastrous.
www.youtube.com...

Quoting Adolf Hitler


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.

10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

A reader asks,"Where did the quotes from Hitler's Secret Conversations come from? How do we know that they are accurate?"

Hitler's Secret Conversations is a translation of a document called the "Bormann-Vermerke" or Borrman endorsements. They are a collection of hand written notes made by Martin Bormann who was Hitler's personal secretary during the war.

SOURCE:answers.org...

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. No one in their right mind can make the claim that Hitler was a Christian or that he justified his actions with his Christian beliefs. He was anti-Christian and anti-Christ and he justified his killing spree with his beliefs in evolution.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by undo
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well hello there! you read my theory i take it? actually, i'm not the only one that believes such things are possible. my approach to the topic is just a bit farther back in the timeline. see the thing i like about the area of research i've been looking at is, it's based on real texts and real artifacts and real artworks, created by real people thousands of years ago. and although an argument can be made that some of the ancient texts are piece meal, it's more than obvious that the fossil record is piece meal. now that doesn't mean it isn't real, but it also doesn't mean we are in there anywhere.


The problem is, no well published historian or linguist agrees with your interpretations. Science works by consensus for good or bad, but over time steers towards truth; if you want to get consensus, you publish elegant, foolproof research! Not post theories on an internet board under the guise of research. The whole point in research is the null hypothesis you know


Saying that your interpretation of some ancient pictures & writings are even comparable to the fossil record is showing your lack of understanding about what evidence is, and what it means. If someone says they saw an alien, whether they are 5000 years old or 50, you should require proof. If you uncover thousands of fossils that all date to the same time period, in the same layer of rock, from all around the world, what would your conclusion be?



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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Evolutionists have moved away from the chimp to human belief. They now believe that what the fossil record is showing are variations within the same human species.....human species being separate from the chimpanzees and the chimpanzees' fossil record also shows variation of that species.

In fact, a lot of evolutionists such as Welfard on ATS get upset if I mention their old monkey to man teachings. They don't like the old evolutionist charts that illustrate their old beliefs that were taught to hundreds of millions of kids around the world.

So evolution is catching up to creationism. Creationists have said all along that variations within species account for the similarities in the fossil record and these variations are the result of being encoded into DNA. Variation is a result of DNA, not evolution.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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samuel noah kramer was the assyriologist who first translated the sumerian cuneiform, and it was his translation that allowed me to discover the abzu was indeed the abyss. he even says as much.
the rest of my translations come from penn state university's sumerian dictionary, strong's concordance of hebrew, aramaic, chaldean and greek, and a very well respected and published scholar of hebrew and semitic studies, dr michael s. heiser.

i also have newspaper articles from mainstream news sites and scientific papers from respected physicists and egyptologists.

i'm afraid what you mean to say is: none of them agree with samuel noah kramer, that the abzu was the abyss.

but that's off topic, so if you want to continue this, you know where to post the response



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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Regardless of whether hitler or others were athiest or not, your own god has supposedly killed more humans out of jealousy than any one man, ever. How do you reconcile that with a loving creator.

[edit on 5-10-2009 by xelamental]



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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xelamental

i swear, it's like there's a copy and paste site somewhere.
the op has asked us not to debate god on her thread. i will say this much, go on back to your introduction to rational thread and post those same thoughts again, and i'll respond there



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by undo
reply to post by xelamental
 


samuel noah kramer was the assyriologist who first translated the sumerian cuneiform, and it was his translation that allowed me to discover the abzu was indeed the abyss. he even says as much.
the rest of my translations come from penn state university's sumerian dictionary, strong's concordance of hebrew, aramaic, chaldean and greek, and a very well respected and published scholar of hebrew and semitic studies, dr michael s. heiser.

i also have newspaper articles from mainstream news sites and scientific papers from respected physicists and egyptologists.

i'm afraid what you mean to say is: none of them agree with samuel noah kramer, that the abzu was the abyss.

but that's off topic, so if you want to continue this, you know where to post the response


You miss the point. Your idea (the assyrians had a stargate as popularized by the tv show) is not supported by your peers. If the evidence is unequivocally there, every scientist in the world will agree with you. Think across disciplines like evolutionists did; every discipline could provide another clue to the use of a stargate, or disprove it. Things like evidence of advanced mathematics, radiation readings, descriptions of what other places they could target, power sources, large scale metallurgy etc.
I would be surprised but exstatic if it were true. Also, discounting other explanations like just being a myth, like a dreamcatcher.

This is what scientists do. I've contributed to the evidence for evolution, even after starting my masters degree as a christian fundy believer! If you really want to know how much evidence there is you need to go do some research, you will be amazed at how deep the rabbit hole goes.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:43 AM
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I said something in my post earlier. About being able to measure and observe. I see that nobody here gets it so ill try to put it in words again.

Why cant we measure a distance between 1 and 0? If you know a bit about math and science this should be easy to understand.

Well first of all, because we cant see the beginning from position 1 EVER.
We have never been at the beginning 0 so we cant see how things changed. And from position 1 we cant see 0.
No matter what we do we will never figure out how things came to be. Because there is no connection between 0 and 1. And we have never been at position 0.

No if you believe in evolution you know that the beginning didn't start with everything. It started very small and evolved and expanded.

If you believe in evolution you must believe that it didn't start with everything so it must have started after 0 some how. But how?

How can 0 evolve into something on its own? Well it cant. There is no connection between 0 and 1 so there must be a external source of some kind that put something into the vacuum of space.



[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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if i had 1000 dollars (inflation!) for every time I was called an idiot, talked down to, stereotyped, categorized, vilified, ostracized and marginalized because of something i did or didn't believe, i would be filthy bloomin' rich!

why is it that the same ole tired stereotypes get hauled out and drug through the mud every.single.time?

-- i clearly don't know there's a rabbit hole or where the hell it goes!
-- i'm clearly uneducated!
-- i'm a train wreck! (eh, maybe)
-- i need to go research! (well i admit, i have pulled that one out on other people too. hehe sowwwy)
-- i'm brainwashed. (i'd like to see the genius that pulled that one off!)
-- my research is not mainstream! (ya don't say! )
-- sigh?

come on. you're talking to other thinking human beings that can actually type and spell! we can actually put together arguments and engage you intellectually! we can't all be stupid or brainwashed.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by sisgood
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How can I ask for transitional species? Because, in my mind, if evolution was true and we did come from apes, monkeys, chimps, whatever.
There should be missing links wandering around today. I am not asking you to predict what things will be.
Give me a few examples of half-formed (but either useful or not harmful) evolutionary steps that led to a creature that is alive today. Both the example of the evolving trait need to be an alive species and the creature that has fully developed the trait must be alive.


A common misperception is that we evolved from apes, monkeys or chimps. We did not. We share a common ancestor.

Unless you own a time machine and are able to travel in the future, you would have no idea what current transitional forms would be, or what traits are being selected for.

The fossil record is full of transitional form. It is complete bunk that creationists and their ilk continue to wave the "where are the missing links" flag as some kind of proof the the concepts of evolutionary theory are somehow disproven.

Personally I think it's a complete failure of the educational system (here in the bible thumpin land of the US of A, anyway) and a national embarrassment that we still have these discussions.

If one doesn't like the "theory" of evolution, I suggest a person might want to disavow themselves from every biological and medical advance of the last century and be treated by witch doctors.

Maybe take a look at Gravitational "theory". See if we can throw that one in the garbage too. I hate it when things fall on the floor.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by spy66
I said something in my post earlier. About being able to measure and observe. I see that nobody here gets it so ill try to put it in words again.

Why cant we measure a distance between 1 and 0? If you know a bit about math and science this should be easy to understand.

Well first of all, because we cant see the beginning from position 1 EVER.
We have never been at the beginning 0 so we cant see how things changed. And from position 1 we cant see 0.
No matter what we do we will never figure out how things came to be. Because there is no connection between 0 and 1. And we have never been at position 0.

No if you believe in evolution you know that the beginning didn't start with everything. It started very small and evolved and expanded.

If you believe in evolution you must believe that it didn't start with everything so it must have started after 0 some how. But how?

How can 0 evolve into something on its own? Well it cant. There is no connection between 0 and 1 so there must be a external source of some kind that put something into the vacuum of space.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]


For the 1billionth time, evolution says nothing about the origins of the universe, the origins of earth or the origins of life (abiogenesis). It's a theory about how life changes from one thing into another.

By the way, replace all counts of evolution in your argument above with god and think.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by undo
if i had 1000 dollars (inflation!) for every time I was called an idiot, talked down to, stereotyped, categorized, vilified, ostracized and marginalized because of something i did or didn't believe, i would be filthy bloomin' rich!

why is it that the same ole tired stereotypes get hauled out and drug through the mud every.single.time?

-- i clearly don't know there's a rabbit hole or where the hell it goes!
-- i'm clearly uneducated!
-- i'm a train wreck! (eh, maybe)
-- i need to go research! (well i admit, i have pulled that one out on other people too. hehe sowwwy)
-- i'm brainwashed. (i'd like to see the genius that pulled that one off!)
-- my research is not mainstream! (ya don't say! )
-- sigh?

come on. you're talking to other thinking human beings that can actually type and spell! we can actually put together arguments and engage you intellectually! we can't all be stupid or brainwashed.


- Where did I call you stupid etc?
- Have you done conventional research and done papers/training on research methods?

Regardless of whether you are "mainstream" or not, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than you currently do. The whole point in research is to protect you and the world from yourself; making sure that you aren't just fueling a cognitive bias. Even then, it still happens to the best of us!

If your ideas are truly great, your research elegant and logical, then "mainstream" will listen.

I sure would, as I would love to build a stargate!

I wish people would just stop thinking the world is against them and DO SOMETHING AWESOME instead of complaining all the time. It's why scientists get so annoyed at crackpots - all the claims, none of the awesome.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by xelamental
reply to post by John Matrix
 


Regardless of whether hitler or others were athiest or not, your own god has supposedly killed more humans out of jealousy than any one man, ever. How do you reconcile that with a loving creator.

[edit on 5-10-2009 by xelamental]


How do you know those who God destroyed even felt a single bit of pain, or even cared what awaited them?
Who are you to question God?
His ways are much higher than our ways?

If you are referring to the pre flood era, what I gather from scripture is that the Sons of God left their habitat in the Spirit dimension and engaged in sex with the daughters of men on earth. These Sons of God were rebellious angels, and their mating with women created nephilim. Nephilim were the soulless offspring. They were extremely powerful giants. The human DNA became corrupted and the earth became filled with violence.
Noah and his family had kept their bloodline pure of this corrupt DNA, which is why God spared them and destroyed everyone else with the flood.

For those who died in the flood.....don't get to sentimental for them.....they were soulless and so corrupt and violent that they hated their own lives and would have hated heaven. Death for those people was what they lived for and what they loved.....they literally loved to die. So the flood for them was like Christmas time for a 6 year old.
In other words, God answered their prayers.

After the flood there were Nephilim too. God had every right to destroy those soulless offspring of fallen angels who lived for violence and loved death.

You can read all about the Son's of God/Daughters of men and their offspring here:
www.mt.net...



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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you very much deserve the video i posted on your thread.

go have at it.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by andrewh7
Survival of the fittest is a reality.

Men invented self-ruling governments with laws because we came together as a people and decided that we didn't want to worry about be murdered or robbed. Killing a man to take what he has is certainly adaptive for some species but we are a SOCIAL SPECIES. We survived by working together as a team, trusting one another with our lives. Evolution is clearly not evil if it can create something so amazing.


One interesting question I would have for those supporting evolution is "Are social behaviors a genetic trait that's influenced by evolution?" Let's take ducks flying South for the Winter. Where is the knowledge to fly South encoded at? Obviously this knowledge isn't a specific gene that you can manipulate, but this information must be contained somewhere.

I'm hoping for more than the standard "Those that didn't fly were not as likely to survive". That isn't an answer, but merely a statement about an observation. It doesn't explain where this knowledge is contained.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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The law of cause and effect leads reasonable thinking people to the conclusion that there must be an ultimate first cause.

It is also reasonable to conclude that if God did create everything, that His first message to the people He created to have dominion over all the earth, would be such a declaration as we find in the first verse of Genesis.

It also makes sense that if angels rebelled against God, the first thing they would attack is his creation message.

Evolution attacks God by denying God the glory for His creative handy-work. It's the ultimate insult.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by John Matrix

Originally posted by xelamental
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Regardless of whether hitler or others were athiest or not, your own god has supposedly killed more humans out of jealousy than any one man, ever. How do you reconcile that with a loving creator.

[edit on 5-10-2009 by xelamental]


How do you know those who God destroyed even felt a single bit of pain, or even cared what awaited them?
Who are you to question God?
His ways are much higher than our ways?

If you are referring to the pre flood era, what I gather from scripture is that the Sons of God left their habitat in the Spirit dimension and engaged in sex with the daughters of men on earth. These Sons of God were rebellious angels, and their mating with women created nephilim. Nephilim were the soulless offspring. They were extremely powerful giants. The human DNA became corrupted and the earth became filled with violence.
Noah and his family had kept their bloodline pure of this corrupt DNA, which is why God spared them and destroyed everyone else with the flood.

For those who died in the flood.....don't get to sentimental for them.....they were soulless and so corrupt and violent that they hated their own lives and would have hated heaven. Death for those people was what they lived for and what they loved.....they literally loved to die. So the flood for them was like Christmas time for a 6 year old.
In other words, God answered their prayers.

After the flood there were Nephilim too. God had every right to destroy those soulless offspring of fallen angels who lived for violence and loved death.

You can read all about the Son's of God/Daughters of men and their offspring here:
www.mt.net...



Oooookaaay. Not reveling in evil there a little bit too much?

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them"

There are hundreds of examples.

dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com...

How many did satan kill in the bible? According to that website, 10. 10 vs > 2 million.

Loves his children, unless you think wrong! Oh whoops, he created us... hmmm that's not fair is it?



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by John Matrix
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The law of cause and effect leads reasonable thinking people to the conclusion that there must be an ultimate first cause.

It is also reasonable to conclude that if God did create everything, that His first message to the people He created to have dominion over all the earth, would be such a declaration as we find in the first verse of Genesis.

It also makes sense that if angels rebelled against God, the first thing they would attack is his creation message.

Evolution attacks God by denying God the glory for His creative handy-work. It's the ultimate insult.



Kind of like gods answer for pi. Or earth being the center of the universe. Or the heavens being water. Or the earth being 6000 years old. Or the lack of non biblical historical evidence for Jesus. Or no evidence of a flood. Or a virgin being immaculately raped against her will. Or the creation of the first zombie.

Seriously, what's god got left? Oh yeah, 10% of our income



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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take it to your thread on intro to rational thinking.
the op is gonna come back and have a hissy fit.



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