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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

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posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 03:40 AM
reply to post by mmiichael

the page you link shows a different picture on GDP

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 04:43 AM

Originally posted by Harlequin
the page you link shows a different picture on GDP

Deceptive numbers when foreign aid isn't factored in. Palestinian leaders falsify the number of people, funds received, etc. When it is accurately measured, Palestinians enjoy a higher standard of living than neighbouring countries.

The standard tables of gross domestic product (GDP) per capital show the West Bank and Gaza at US$1,700, just below Egypt's $1,900 and significantly below Syria's $2,250 and Jordan's $3,000. GDP does not include foreign aid, however, which adds roughly 30% to spendable funds in the Palestinian territories.

Most important, the denominator of the GDP per capita equation - the number of people - is far lower than official data indicate. According to an authoritative study by the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, the West Bank and Gaza population in 2004 was only 2.5 million, rather than the 3.8 million claimed by the Palestinian authorities. The numbers are inflated to increase foreign aid.

Adjusting for the Begin-Sadat Center population count and adding in foreign aid, GDP per capita in the West Bank and Gaza comes to $3,380, much higher than in Egypt and significantly higher than in Syria or Jordan. Why should any Palestinian refugee resettle in a neighboring Arab country?

GDP per capita, moreover, does not reflect the spending power of ordinary people. Forty-four percent of Egyptians, for example, live on less than $2 a day, the United Nations estimates. The enormous state bureaucracy eats up a huge portion of national income. New immigrants to Egypt who do not have access to government jobs are likely to live far more poorly than per capita GDP would suggest.

Other data confirm that Palestinians enjoy a higher living standard than their Arab neighbors. A fail-safe gauge is life expectancy. The West Bank and Gaza show better numbers than most of the Muslim world

Palestinians are systematically stymied when budgeting based income that does not materialize. With the division between Hamas and the PLO, billions in pledged funds are now being withheld, primarily from the Arab League.

Although the international community has pledged almost $9 billion to support the Palestinians since 1993 through similar pledge-fests, less than half the amount of money promised actually materialized, according to a Palestinian source who asked not to be named. The delinquents include members of the Arab League as well as Japan and Italy, the source said.

New pledges have been made to rebuild Gaza with Saudi Arabia the largest donor. But the actual money has yet to materialize. Hamas is in a serious conflict with pressure to reconcile differences with the PLO and Israel by the Arab League. But Iran threatens to cut them off if they reach a settlement. 7

Representatives from donor nations meeting in Egypt have pledged more than $4.4 billion in new aid to help rebuild the war-torn Gaza Strip after the recent conflict between Israel and Hamas.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said international donors meeting in Sharm el-Sheikh have pledged more than $5 billion for Gaza reconstruction. […]

Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al Faisal told al Arabiya TV that rebuilding Gaza would be "difficult and fool-hardy, so long as peace and security do not prevail" in the territory.

It is thought Palestinian leadership are milking their franchise dry. While Westerners are still buying into their highly publicized claims, the Arab Leagues have lost patience though still make contributions hoping to counter Iranian manipulation of the Palestinians to their own ends.


[edit on 8-10-2009 by mmiichael]

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 06:30 AM
reply to post by mmiichael

the graph i linked to - from the page you linked to again says nothing about the people of gaza and is purely iran`s GDP

which is what you mentioned , im just using your own source to show a different a picture about iran than the one your trying to paint.

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by zerbot565

because its not a proven hoax thats why

in fact only 1 blog says otherwise - the same blog by Meir Javedanfar is thw one thats being used by everyone

[edit on 7/10/09 by Harlequin]

so what evidence is the "jewish truth" the based on ?

and by blog i asume you mean this

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 08:47 AM
reply to post by mmiichael

I am not exactly sure the point of your post in regards to the Saudi Royals Michael, nor the supposition that following their trials and travails through life is an intellectual or a wise pursuit.

“The world is full of princes and princesses, barons and baronesses, dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses but there is only one Beethoven and I am he”

-Ludwig Von Beethoven- His famous quote after rejecting a well known, highly regarded and militant prince’s offer to render a private performance and for the prince to become a patron. Beethoven rejected the prince’s offer not once but twice over Beethoven’s displeasure with the political dispositions of the prince in regards to the common French man.

It literally changed the social makeup in Europe over night as no common man had ever dared to nor gotten away with such a lack of civility and compliance to a noble ever before.

It turned out of course that Beethoven was right, his singular and unique talents far surpassed the prince’s much more common ones in particular his passion for and skill at warfare.

Following the backstabbing and infighting of a 1,000 different princes who reign in a ‘closed’ dessert kingdom sounds as intellectual a pursuit as catching today’s Jerry Springer Show. If one’s interests are aimed towards tabloid type gossip or hoping a spare Benjamin Franklin or two might some how fall out of one of said prince’s pockets their way well that’s their own choice. I sure wouldn’t be looking for someone so fixated to complete the rest of Einstein’s or Tesla’s theories and equations though!

Ultimately such power struggles are meaningless as who ever comes out on top still has to bow down to Rome and Caesar. These characters represent little more than the hired help who simply have a marginal degree of added freedom in one aspect because of their wealth and title, and a little less freedom in another aspect because of the attention their wealth and title gains by the tabloid gossip crowd.

Rome’s casinos in London and Monte Carlo profit off of their largesse and philandering ways and as such, no doubt love and appreciate them for this, after all a fool and his money soon go separate ways Michael.

I have no interest in being my Brother’s keeper, or too pretend some moral authority on how much people should or shouldn’t gamble, imbibe in spirits, fornicate, consume and pray and to whom.

Now will I allow anyone to function as my keeper as there is no one I have ever met who is not living in a proverbial glass house? Achieve perfection in your own discipline and state and then after all agree its perfect perhaps then would be a good time to help others with their path towards enlightenment.

My big concern is the noise of falling bombs tends to interrupt my beauty sleep and the smell of rotting corpses truly offends my nostrils. Simply put I prefer that people not kill each other over their petty differences Michael.

One of the reasons people so often seek to judge others in this fashion is not just simply as a means of deflection from their own faults individual and collective but as a means of avoidance of ever having to concentrate and focus on that hard task of mastering one’s self and attaining enlightenment.

In your hasty quest to do this and to imagine it is somehow an intellectual pursuit all you do is defeat yourself and hold yourself back as you look to defeat others and hold them back.

Compiling a spread and tip sheet on the horses does not negate that the horses don’t own or run the track. They simply profit from running on the track in the venue. The real power and wealth lays with the venue’s owner.

99.99% of the world literally has no clue when it comes to anything of universal importance and that’s usually because they are immersed in tabloid gossip, superstition or other equally counterproductive and foolish pursuits.

The Saudis have their princes and we have our oligarchs. Whether you were born in the house of Saud or the house of Rockefeller wealth and privilege and status is part of that birthright. It is what it is.

They all bow down to Caesar they all render unto Caesar that which is Caesars'.

As far as the sectarian differences between Shiite and Sunni and the occasional violence between them in places like Iraq, I can only say this that there is no difference between that and Ireland and Belfast and the violence that has long gone on between Catholics and Protestants.

People in the west of course are familiar with both Catholics and Protestants so that perennial and eternal conflict doesn’t seem so strange or menacing to them. The Jews of course have their differences too between the Ashkenazi and Sephardic sects. Divide and conquer, divide and conquer.

My quarrel is with Caesar not the bit players and actors Michael. To subscribe to this random as opposed to intelligent design belief of yours as opposed to mine is foolish. For the reality is that every thing you attempt to do is done for what you consider ‘intelligently designed’ purposes and agendas and not as random misfiring of your neural pathways. I do suspect that latter part is an intelligently designed byproduct of circumcision and has long plagued the slave classes as it was meant too.

You keep focusing on the little fish in the sea Michael. I will keep focusing on the big one I am intent on not letting get away.

The fish is always rotten from the head down Michael. Many rivers one sea, all roads lead to Rome.

[edit on 8/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 09:22 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

you refer to the NI (protestant/Catholic) example as some equivalence in the west with the sectarian divisions within Islam.

It is no such thing, it is the exception to the rule in today's west, as there really is no other part of the west were such sectarian divisions are evidence ( I live in NI and the divisions are more to do with nationality, with religion used as a community marker)

THe sectarian divisions within Islam are much more widespread, across many countries and with greater casualties- you mention Iraq, which is on a scale unimaginable in NI, throw in conflict/division in Jordan, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen to name but a few

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Harlequin
the graph i linked to - from the page you linked to again says nothing about the people of gaza and is purely iran`s GDP which is what you mentioned , im just using your own source to show a different a picture about iran than the one your trying to paint.

If I misinterpreted data any correction is welcome.

Iran's economy nosedived in the 80s and by the early 90s debt load became critical.

Outlined in this book

The Economy of Iran: The Dilemma of an Islamic State

The Islamic revolution of 1979 heralded an expanded economic role for the Iranian state in safeguarding the revolution's redistributive aims. However, the Iranian economy in the 1980s and 1990s deteriorated markedly, and the state's enlarged role in the economy has been accompanied by acute macroeconomic instability and a sharp decline in the standard of living. This book of original essays identifies the principal issues, social, economic, and political, that have shaped and determined Iran's economic performance since the revolution.

They experienced a short-term boom in the 2005-8 period when oil prices soared. The major beneficiaries were the Revolutionary Guard and companies they owned, which may have raise perceived GDP, but did not trickle down to the public. The only investment available to most Iranians was real estate which also briefly soared and has subsequently crashed. They now have hit a wall economically.

Ahmadinejad has been increasingly on the outs with conservatives in Iran for many months now, and not because of Israel but because of the economy, which he has notoriously mismanaged. His ill-thought out energy and monetary policies as well as runaway public subsidies have resulted in double digit inflation, rising unemployment, and blackouts. Under Ahmadinejad’s watch (and the highest oil prices in decades) the country has become a net gas importer, despite its vast natural resource wealth.

A faltering economy was a key issue in the June 12th [2009] elections, but the problems go back farther than that. In January, as the price of oil was falling, the Supreme Leader announced that Iran’s new five year development plan, set to come into effect next year, would funnel 20 percent of the country’s oil and gas revenues into a new development fund separate from the Oil Stabilization Fund, which, according to many analysts, Ahmadinejad has plundered wildly.

“There should be tens of billions of dollars left in the fund, and it’s not at all clear that there are,”

says Alireza Nader, an Iran analyst at the RAND Corporation.

“What is clear is that Ahmadinejad gave a lot of the oil money earned in the boom days to friends in the Revolutionary Guard, and to companies started by former Guard officers, often in the form of loans and no-bid state contracts.”

RAND estimates that such companies, while typically corrupt and inefficient, are now the biggest economic players in Iran, with far-reaching influence in key sectors like manufacturing, construction, and banking.


[edit on 8-10-2009 by mmiichael]

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 10:34 AM
reply to post by blueorder

The point being friend as is evidenced by the Protestants and the Catholics in Belfast is that all religions have a tendency to violently seek dominance or independence within competing main sects of the religion.

The who did more, or more often, or most recently arguments to dismiss the simple underlying facts and reality of that are disengenous in that it's still the same disease, still the same symptoms.

Catholic versus Protestant violence has a long history starting with the formation of the Protestant movement.

The reality is that the Muslims will have to do a lot of catch up to rack up the same body count as the Catholics and Protestants have in fighting against one another over the past several hundred years.

It is very much the same type of behavior, no need to kid our selves about that friend.

posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 04:05 PM
lol figures is all i can really say to this. some one who is so against isearal and jews has jewish blood in his viens lol. wasent hitler half jew as well.

posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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and his mom worked for the rothshildes...

on a side not why is this not HOAX labled yet since there is no evidence.

posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 04:44 PM
reply to post by zerbot565
There is no evidence that he was 1/4 Jewish. When somebody presents DNA evidence then this may be proved, until then it's just a rumour

posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 04:56 PM
reply to post by ufoorbhunter

Since when does religion change DNA?

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