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reply posted on 3-10-2009 @ 05:59 PM by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by ThaLoccster
When the film crew enters the North Tower shortly after impact, there are people in the lobby on fire from flames that traveled down the elevator shafts.

It saddens me that people actually believe this garbage. You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about and all available evidence goes against what you've been programmed to say.

A magical fireball will not destroy the lobby, cause multiple explosions in the lobby, destroy a 10-ton hydraulic brake press in the machine shop in the basement levels, destroy the parking garage in the basement levels, kill and mame numerous people in the basement levels, and knock out windows and in adjacent building(s).

You've got to be kidding me if you believe a fireball can be that destructive, even when fireballs aren't explosive. Explosives are explosive.

FDNY firefighter John Schroeder talks about what happened in the north tower. He was at his station when the north tower got hit. From the time it took them to saddle up and get to the north tower and then get their orders from the command post in the lobby of the north tower, he talks about an explosion in the lobby, well after the first plane had already hit. Then he talks about going up to the 24th floor and the entire building getting rocked and them getting bounced around in the stairwell from explosions in the north tower as the second plane hit the south tower.

In videos of the second plane strike, you can see smoke in the north tower being disturbed from internal explosions timed with the second plane strike.

Then John talks about making it back down to the lobby and the lobby being completely destroyed from the explosions in the north tower. Mind you both planes had already struck, yet explosions in the lower levels continued.

He also talks about how the glass in the lobby was 2"-3" thick and how the elevators were on the other side of the building, opposite the lobby and that there were no fires or burn marks, only explosive damage.

Here is John's interview (short version). The long version is also on YouTube:






So don't ever say for a second that a magical fireball caused destruction multiple times in the lobby and lower levels, destroyed the lower stairwells, destroyed a 10-ton hydraulic press in the basement levels, destroyed the parking garage in the basement levels, killed and mamed numerous people in the basement levels, and blew out windows in a near-by building.

Heat (fireballs) travel UP not down. A fireball wouldn't travel a quarter mile down and cause destruction over at least a 45-55 minute period and to adjacent buildings also. Get researched and stop spreading government programmed disinformation.


reply posted on 3-10-2009 @ 06:04 PM by ThaLoccster
reply to post by bsbray11



You can't see that face sure, but you also do not see any smoke coming from these supposed explosions. If the buildings FACE was damaged, I think it'd be safe to say that something OUTSIDE the building caused it. As per your other post I'm trying to keep this as about building 6 as I can. Would be happy to discuss that in anoter thread, or what that focuses on that.

So lets say there were explosions in 6. What were they for? Destroy evidence? Weaken the building? Was it a small localized explosion so you couldn't see any damage or note the explosion from outside? Was it so large it blew a chunk of the building away?



reply posted on 3-10-2009 @ 06:10 PM by bsbray11
Originally posted by ThaLoccster
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post by bsbray11



You can't see that face sure, but you also do not see any smoke coming from these supposed explosions.


It doesn't matter; I have seen them in other photos. I have also read about them in eyewitness testimonies. There was also at least 1 car on fire on ground level that served as one source of smoke, but there was additional smoke coming up from below the lobby, probably from the parking garage.

If the buildings FACE was damaged, I think it'd be safe to say that something OUTSIDE the building caused it.


Agreed, but it is hard to imagine what in the world could have scorched the whole face like that. It really must have been some powerful fireball that erupted out of the lobby of WTC1.


So lets say there were explosions in 6. What were they for? Destroy evidence?


That's something I would like to know as well, that a real criminal investigation could address. At the moment, simply because I don't know why it would be a priority to do this, doesn't change the evidence I am seeing in favor of it.


reply posted on 4-10-2009 @ 12:22 PM by Seventh
Originally posted by waypastvne




It's a bird .



That video has been edited, I just downloaded it as it looks completely different to the B.B.C. video and I got a `MPEG import filter no video stream` error caused by..

MPEG-2 decoding which caused adjacent chroma ... A video stream that has been spaced with drop frames to a higher frame rate ... Frame server sent garbage data if the video filter chain changed the frame size. ... Doing a paste with no selection caused one frame to be deleted before.

Will update this soon.


reply posted on 4-10-2009 @ 04:03 PM by Seventh
No Bonez, the difference between me and a lot of people is - I don`t see what they want me to see, this is what I picked up on as soon as I saw the other video, firstly the frame count of the object - the B.B.C camera captured 6 from 8 frames, the TLC camera managed to capture 22 from 25 of the object moving, a frame count of 25 v 8 on exactly the same object, which is completely different in every aspect possible, the frame count of when it appeared to the last frame in sight...




And the respective frames from the captures (I missed a few due to cramming all the frames in, and copied over where it was, but the point is made).....



I will add the slowed down TLC video soon, I defy anyone to state that the object in the B.B.C. film and TLC show any identical comparisons to each other, as I stated as soon as the post was made showing this film and I d/l it and converted to MPEG, VirtualDub could not open it due to it being out of sync (audio mismatch due to added frames probably) and showing signs 100% of being edited.


I see rather well imo (mostly).

EDIT: Added video link, compare the B.B.C. film to this one, there is a reason for how many frames a video capturing device will create whilst filming moving objects, and that is the speed of the camera (fps) and obviously the speed of object being filmed, nowadays with cameras with a 1000 plus fps things are a lot different, anyway`s the video in slow motion...
.......

EDIT: P.S.

P.S. I forgot to add that from row 4 the frames read from right to left, and both video clips are 1 fps, the time stamp of when the object 1st appeared and the last frame it is seen in is....00.03 of a second for the B.B.C film, and 03.40 seconds for the TLC one.


(click to open player in new window)


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