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Originally posted by billybob
the police, should be there to WEED OUT the "overzealous" protesters, and ALLOW and PROTECT the peaceful protesters to continue their vigil.
"when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"
[edit on 4-10-2009 by billybob]
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by detachedindividual
We have the constitutional right to peaceful assembly in this country, what your missing is the PEACEFUL part. What part of PEACEFUL don't you understand? Is it that hard of a concept? Is it that far beyond your realm of understanding? PEACEFUL?
When you have a group who you know is going to be destructive, who you know is going to be violent, what do you purpose be done about it? Let them just destroy as much as they want and clean up the mess afterward?
Freedom does not mean anarchy.
And again with the "assumption of guilt". You are stating that people who "may intend" to cause damage have no right to freedom of assembly and protest. So how exactly do you ascertain that a person is going to cause damage?
You cannot operate a democratic free nation on the assumption of "guilty until proven innocent". And you certainly cannot strip the rights of a large number of people because you "have a feeling" one or two of them might break a window.
What part of this don't you understand?
This is just another example of "Civil rights are great, as long as I agree with the opinions of those using those rights".
So, tell me, oh wise speaker of democratic rights, in several of the protest videos you can clearly see just people milling about, as they would in a shopping mall or on a street on a fri/sat night, only this time they have a megaphone and an opinion. Then the riot police turn up and start harassing, intimidating and threatening them. Where is the violence here?
Please tell me how you magically "know" that those protesters were going to cause any trouble?
Police used pepper spray and smoke canisters to break up a march in downtown Pittsburgh but some of the marchers began throwing rocks and police responded by firing rubber bullets, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported.
Vic Walczak, legal director for the local ACLU, said the crowd was peaceful and even moved when a police car needed to pass through.
The authorities who protect the establishment’s power have demonstrated something in the last couple weeks: they will cater to right wing protesters while trampling on the rights of left wing protesters. The difference in treatment between the 40k at Glenn Becks 912 rally in DC and the 4000 at the G20 was like day and night.
“We were barely even protesting,” said T.J. Amick, 22, of Pittsburgh. “Then all of a sudden, they come up and tell us we’re gathered illegally and start using force, start banging their shields, start telling us we’re going to be arrested and tear gassed. … We haven’t broken any laws.”
The marchers did not have a permit and, after a few blocks, police declared it an unlawful assembly. They played an announcement over a loudspeaker ordering people to leave and then police in riot gear moved in to break it up. Authorities also used a crowd-control device that emits a deafening siren-like noise, making it uncomfortable for protesters to remain in the streets. Officers fired canisters of pepper spray and smoke at the protesters, set off a flash grenade and fired rubber bullets.
The marchers did not have a permit and, after a few blocks, police declared it an unlawful assembly
A few seconds later the march took off again down Baum, now at a run. A Boston Market franchise happened to be on this corner; protesters were enraged from the police attack, and it lost ten windows to a hail of rocks. Regrettably, there were people inside the franchise, who could be seen fleeing the windows; however, there is no indication that anyone was injured.
One might interpret all this as legitimate acts of revenge for the police murder in London at last spring’s G20 summit; but it also signifies the survival of militant street resistance in the Obama era.
did you also know it was delayed until that Friday morning, the day the peaceful march was escorted, and not attacked.