Yup, they're completely takin the piss out of us ... I can't talk now, I rarely do, but I'm so angry after watching the news tonight I can barely breathe.

ATS'ers being accused of bigging up the conspiracy ... ridiculous. I tried to start a thread about what I saw tonight, but apperantly I don't spam enough, so i introduced myself in a way I would never like to. nvm.

On Topic: And repeated: TPTB need no mandatory vaccines when all the sheep queue up for them.

Please try not to worry NotAgain. Not everything on YouTube is what it claims to be. Just recently I saw our own UK pandemic plan being cited as proof of nefarious intent which is a nonsense.
I've come to the conclusion that there is enough contradicting information and opinion out there to confirm just about any theory you care to hold.
Just keep tuned in to as many sources as possible and not just conspiracy sites.
As for the vaccine, I've seen enough concerns from qualified, mainstream people to raise, at the least, concerns about its safety. I'm hoping it's about big bucks not depopulation. So I'm not going for it but I'm an oldie. If you are young, you will have to make up your own mind.
Also I suspect that if a majority accept the vaccine, there will not be mandatory vaccinations - not for the general population anyway. But it will certainly be interesting to see the reaction if governments are left with a lot of unwanted vaccine!

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[edit on 3-10-2009 by unicorn1]

*wrong thread* sorry...

[edit on 3-10-2009 by LadySkadi]

Swine Flu popped out of no where.

Listen here you insolent clod, I'm being forced to take the vaccine....not exactly at gunpoint, but I have to take it or I lose my job, so yeah I consider that forced vaccination.



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While I have stated previously that I believe the swine flu thing is blown out of proportion, I do have to ask the OP a question. If you think that this conspiracy theory was made up by a theorist that wanted nothing more then to see mass destruction on a global scale, then wouldn't that mean that the majority of conspiracies on these forums are made by some lonely nerd with a boring life that wants to see you and the world screaming at the palms of a spreading global fire? The N.W.O.? U.F.O's? Government conspiracy's? 9/11? Martial law? Loss of rights? It is those theorists that believe in global domination such as N.W.O. that inform you of what's going on now. Police actions at peaceful march's, police brutality, government laws being passed that threaten our rights.

Then, I must ask you, why are you here? To laugh at us? To tell us how wrong we really are? We'll keep that in mind. We are the rebellious group that could possibly save your life when you're thrown in a FEMA camp. It is your job to seperate what is real from what is fiction on these forums. Yes, people have active minds and from time to time there will be theorys that never see the light of day, but someone somewhere some way will find evidence to compliment their theory. But to call people maniacle wishing death upon your families because they live a boring life is just a little over exagurated don't you think?

Like I said before, I have previously stated that I think the swine flu is one of those theorys that got blown out of proportion. We have seen pandemics like this one before and back then someone probably came along and said it was part of the N.W.O's plan... But nothing ever came from them. Remember the Mad Cow disease scare? That was basically the same thing. Kinda laughable looking back if you ask me. Well, no, they didn't force a vaccine back then. Anyway, I will not get too much into my thoughts on this cause I'm sure someone will flame me for not believing the hype.

Alex Jones and the like get the forced vaccination propaganda train chugging along every flu season. In the imaginary world of the anti-vaccine movement, there's forced vaccinations every year. Of course, if you're a rationally thinking person, you don't have to worry since you live outside of imagination land.

Originally posted by The Dispatcherator
Listen here you insolent clod, I'm being forced to take the vaccine....not exactly at gunpoint, but I have to take it or I lose my job, so yeah I consider that forced vaccination.



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Your post deserves to be repeated Dispatcherator! - I'm sorry you're forced to take it.

OP, there are laws in place already, as you know. There are people already being forced to get the vaccine, as you know. Will it be countrywide, worldwide, immediately? I haven't read all the threads but personally haven't seen ANY that said we would go immediately into martial law when the vaccine was available...

I recognize ATS members can sometimes be about fear-mongoring but getting a forced vaccine [patented BEFORE the outbreak started] is something to be feared.

I enjoyed the title ""Forced Vaccination" is a conspiracy created by ATS members."

I disagree that ATS created or is even capable of creating a conspiracy.

I'm somewhat of a "here and there" poster, I can be an asshole, but my intentions are fairly positive.

I am somewhat behind in getting that fancy text change, but if this group were responsible for a conspiracy, your post would have been gone 2 seconds after it posted.

"Cheers M8"

Get it right.

TSer



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You seem to have written a post more to push emotional buttons rather than present a reasoned argument. After all even if someone is motivated by a desire for excitement in making a statement that a given conspiratorial theory is true, that motivation is ad hominem to the soundness or veracity of the argument or statement given by the "conspiracy theorist". Likewise if your motivation for your post is to give yourself a feeling of superiority over us silly chumps that believe in these "wild eyed conspiracy theories" like forced vaccinations, then any argument or facts presented in your post are unaffected epistemologically by that motive.

However I'm having a hard time finding a carefully reasoned argument with any logical syllogisms contained your post.

Usually the best way to find the truth is to make an honest effort to look for refutations of what you believe to be true and after an exhaustive but unsuccessful attempt you can at least consider your position somewhat corroborated. You on the other hand seemed to just think off the top of your head if you could think of any conspiracies by ATS people that have come true, none came to mind, therefore none could possibly be true and we "conspiracy theorists" are all living in fantasy land. Additionally, you personally in your neck of the woods have not heard of anyone being forced to get the swine flue vaccination therefore you have come to the conclusion that it can never happen ever anywhere in the world.

To the person who asked why disbelievers are on something like ATS, well some of us are on the fence and here to make our mind up - or we believe in some things and not others (and there is plenty to go at!). And forums like this do need people with different views to spark off debate. It's all for the good - so long as we can keep civil to each other.
Compulsory vaccination for certain job groups or for schoolkids even, has been around for a long time. And while I feel for anyone faced with the choice of getting a jab or losing their job/school, my personal alarm meter is set to go off when it reaches the general public.
But we do need to keep an eye on this one, because these things are sometimes slipped in below the radar. Take the EU for example. I'm old enough to remember when it was sold to the British public as 'the common market'. The detractors were told it was simply a trade agreement. And now look where we are. What has come to pass is exactly what some people warned would come to pass.
Nowadays of course we have the internet. But it is a double edged sword. It can help spread information but it also helps spread paranoia and misinformation.
Our BS meter needs to be on high alert at this time - in respect to information coming from both the mainstream and alternative sources.

Wait, so it's been three days and that's long enough for you to rule out the forced vaccination thing? I'm not completely sure where I stand on it, I sure as hell know that if someone with a lot of power wanted to inject the whole world with something this would be a great way to do it. But do you really think that three days is long enough to decide that there's not going to be any kind of forced vaccination? Really?

Surely they would let all the voluntary people get it first, then do a massive media campaign encouraging people to get it, and then start working on the forced vaccination?

Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername
Well, it's now day 3 of the swine flu vaccine availability here in Australia.
And so far ... zip, zero, zilch has been happening with regards to the "forced vaccination" conspiracy that's been running rampant here on ATS for the past few months.

You are at the end of your flu season.
America is just starting it's flu season. Big difference.
Two different seasons ... two different gov'ts .... two different time frames.

Day 4 now ... still NO mass forced vaccinations here.

Is anyone ready to report and confirm that forced vaccination of the entire civilian population has begun in their country yet ?