All religions are different and full of lies about reality, sure, some of the stories my be good life lessons, but it's still the work of man, and a lot of the time, it's just plain bad advice. We don't REALLY know if the universe was created by a God, or if Gods(s) really exist. It's silly to accept everything you are told without evidence. Now you don't have to ask questions at all. Seemingly, some great book has answered everything for you. You now know where you came from and how you got here, you don't really have to ask questions about reality. You now know what's right and wrong. How can you accept all this and be content with it? It's an insult to independent thought. Christianity says it's a sin to be gay. Is it wrong to truly love a person for who they are, does it really matter if if our physical shell is male or female? Isn't it the person inside that counts? Can you not feel deep down inside your soul that man wrote that, as well as other morally questionable things in the bible, through arrogance and bigotry?

In my eyes, religion takes us on a road in the completely opposite direction to where we should be headed. We shouldn't be reading a whole bunch of crap, accepting it as truth, and throw our questions out the window, we should be denying ignorance, we should be seeking real truth and answers, we should be asking questions (with totally open minds), and we should be doing it all without being mentally enslaved and manipulated by reality overlords. If any God(s) do exist, this is the way in which we will be able to know and feel it's existence.

Originally posted by CHA0S reply to post by Zealott

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Originally posted by Zealott reply to post by CHA0S

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It was always my opinion that the bible was a step in the right direction but written too long ago. Gays are wrong because if everyone was gay population would suffer. During the times of the Romans and the Athens before that, this was an actual concern.

So you fear everyone will become gay? One could also argue we are reproducing to rapidly, that we will kill the planet and run out of space on Earth, and that gays help balance this out, slowing the rate at which our population increases. I highly doubt there will ever be a day when we lack a sufficient amount of straight people to reproduce. Like you say, why worry about something that doesn't concern you? They deserve a right to love whom ever they like.

Originally posted by Zealott reply to post by CHA0S

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Say no gays, and then you won't have to worry too much about the population issue.

So we condemn them to hell for some peace of mind?

While Jesus was on the Cross he said: "Forgive Them Father, For they know not what they do"

That to me sounds like forgiveness for evrybody.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by Doomsday 2029

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When Jesus said this during his crucifixion, it wasn't these words that enable someone to be forgiven. It's the Christ's death that does. When someone trusts in Christ for their salvation, they're forgiven. Until then, they're not. This forgiveness is open to everyone. It's just not that when Jesus said this is everyone immediately forgiven. Nor will everyone be.

So, I go to hell be because I prefer to use logic, which leads me to think the bible is full of lies, and was written by humans (even if there are some good life lessons in there).

What about every person born into a country/family where a different religion reigns, which usually becomes their faith?

I don't need your gospel or warnings thank you very much, I'm a happy and vibrant person and my life is brilliant. Have fun fearing hell...

EDIT: I wonder how many people do good things just because they fear going to hell? Will that really get you into heaven?

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

What if they don't know of Jesus or Christianity?

And why are we still being punished for what our ancestors did?

I will never ask for forgiveness, for I have done nothing wrong,

and when I do something wrong, it's up to me to fix it, which doesn't mean asking a God for forgiveness...

So if some random tribe in some random location never hears the 'Good Word', what becomes of them?

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by CHA0S

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That is why Christians have missions. Christians are to spread the gospel of Christ. Beyond that, that person still always has the ability to go and pursue something else other than their religion, much like many in the west do today. People in the west don't simply stay Christian because they're from here.

And that's your choice. I'm not trying to force "my gospel" onto you. You've heard the message and that's all that matters on my part. We'll see how it turns out in eternity.