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Gun Confiscation - What would you do?

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posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 12:35 PM
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In the event of a natural or man made disaster where federal troops or even local police are confiscating private weapons - as happened in New Orleans after Katrina -

What would you do?

It's a question I've struggled to answer....here's the best I could come up with:

1a. Deny ownership:
i. long guns don't have to be registered in my state and many others, and even if they did I wouldn't register anything except that which I intended to carry with a conceal carry permit (handgun) on a regular basis.
ii. if going out in public, conceal illegally if necessary

OR

1b. Have a "sacrificial" weapon - old shotgun, cheap .22 - to turn over if asked.

THEN

2. Present a copy of the Constitution, 2nd Amendment, along with a copy of District of Columbia v. Heller ruling that backed it up. The court ruling was a little hard to find, but you can download and print it here:

www.supremecourtus.gov...
ftp.resource.org...

THEN....

Then what?

The big undefined point of the whole scenario as I see it is that the Bill of Rights doesn't prescribe a solution to those rights being infringed upon. In other words, doesn't say "under penalty of death of those infringing upon these rights..."

Personally, if it was a scenario where I felt it was life or death for my family if I lost my weapon, I'd fight to keep it.....regardless of who was on the other end.




posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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Some States do not require registration of firearms with a CCW Permit. Many States actually did this to purposely circumvent the threat of firearm registration.

As such, if you have a CCW Permit you can show it at the counter of any Gun Shop or Gun Show, pay cash, and walk away with a gun that no one has record of you having.

However, when someone comes a-knockin' for your firearms, you need to be prepared and able to give plausible denial-ability.

Don't keep any firearms anywhere visible.

Keep your firearms in at least two separate locations so that you can disclose one location without surrendering the other. Or, if your place is searched, when they find the first location they'll likely give up and not look more thoroughly in attempts to find another cache.

Keep a file of Bills of Sale for any firearms that you have, as if you had sold them to private parties. If you are questioned about ownership of a firearm that you did not surrender, you can show them the Bill of Sale and tell them to ask John Doe Carpenter about it because he showed you a CCW Permit with that name on it when you sold it to him.

Just as a LEO keeps a back-up weapon, do the same. A cheap .22 rifle or .22 pistol is all it takes. If you turn something over willingly, its not likely that they are going to question whether you are holding out on them or not.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Take the guns "they" have collected.
2nd line



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:07 PM
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I will give my weapon to the govt.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by December_Rain
I will give my weapon to the govt.


joke post or are you serious? and if you are serious, would you please elaborate why you have this reasoning?



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Buy unregistered guns. Deny ownership. If all else fails, say they were stolen in an unreported burglary.

Just my 2-cents



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by newworld

Originally posted by December_Rain
I will give my weapon to the govt.


joke post or are you serious? and if you are serious, would you please elaborate why you have this reasoning?


I am serious, because I believe in my government. If I have no reason to keep weapon I won't. If I feel my life is at risk or my family, I'll ask for police protection (main reason most gunowners keep weapon).

If there is a law I will follow it, that's how a country runs by not breaking the law but upholding it.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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In a case like New Orleans, I would say, "But the other cops already came and took my gun, are you here to give me the receipt?"

If that fails, try: "I don't need a gun, you guys are here to protect me, right?"

If all else fails, I would reluctantly give them the guns, bullets first.


[edit on 2-10-2009 by VictorVonDoom]



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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THEY CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN THEY PRY THEM FROM MY DEAD COLD HANDS!!!



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by December_Rain

Originally posted by newworld

Originally posted by December_Rain
I will give my weapon to the govt.


joke post or are you serious? and if you are serious, would you please elaborate why you have this reasoning?


I am serious, because I believe in my government. If I have no reason to keep weapon I won't. If I feel my life is at risk or my family, I'll ask for police protection (main reason most gunowners keep weapon).

If there is a law I will follow it, that's how a country runs by not breaking the law but upholding it.


but the government is not always truthful you know. also it is much safer to keep your own guns rather than waiting for the police to come and protect you. With your own weapon you can defend yourself instantly, or at least scare an invader off, but if you call the police, by the time they come you might be dead.

also it's not a good idea to always follow the law, especially when they go against a constitutional amendment. I am sure you would not have followed the law to return former slaves to their owners in the south if you lived during the era before the civil war begun right?



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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I am serious, because I believe in my government. If I have no reason to keep weapon I won't. If I feel my life is at risk or my family, I'll ask for police protection (main reason most gunowners keep weapon).


Boy, I hope your gun doesn't go off in your face while you are willfully handing it over.

Also, I'm sure Uncle Sam and Papa Obama have our best interests in mind. Don't bother questioning anything I suppose.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Trying and doing are two very different things....
I might just get a little surly and once annoyed bad things tend to happen



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by December_Rain

Originally posted by newworld

Originally posted by December_Rain
I will give my weapon to the govt.


joke post or are you serious? and if you are serious, would you please elaborate why you have this reasoning?

~snip~ If I feel my life is at risk or my family, I'll ask for police protection (main reason most gunowners keep weapon). ~snip~


You probably can get rid of all your fire extinguishers and first aid kits too, after all, your government has supplied you with fire departments and hospital emergency rooms, right?

Might as well burn that spare tire, that's what AAA and tow trucks ar for, right?

Just how long do you think the bad guy who just kicked in your front door and is coming for you, your loved ones, your stuff, etc., will wait once you explain to him that you need to call the police first, before he continues his invasion of your home, hmmm?



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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I would read them the law that prohibits them from seizing my weapons in such a case.

There was a law that was written so that federally funded agencys, groups, ect cannot seize private weapons in the case of a national emergency (We're still in one now) or a natural disaster.

Of course that only works to get them back in the long run.

but ultimately, I'd try to be out of town before they came for them. If they already at my door, then I'm already too late. No sense in fighting it out with a bunch of troops that have you majorly out gunned.

I'd fall back to melee weapons, or use a crossbow.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by December_Rain
I am serious, because I believe in my government. If I have no reason to keep weapon I won't. If I feel my life is at risk or my family, I'll ask for police protection (main reason most gunowners keep weapon).

If there is a law I will follow it, that's how a country runs by not breaking the law but upholding it.


Seriously. Wake the hell up. You're actually willing to just throw away the constitution?

Ask yourself, "why does the government want my guns?". It's sure as hell not because taking away your arms is going to make your life better.

Ask for police protection? In this case, it's the police that are coming and stripping you of your constitutional rights. The Constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms, in order to defend the rest of the rights set forth in the Constitution. It's there, for the sole purpose of defending against the government trampling on our rights.

Given you're stance on the issue, you don't deserve these rights, especially if you're just going to hand them over.

You going to turn in your neighbor for having guns too?



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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Give them junk garbage weapons. Find `em, buy,`em, write them off as a loss. Sacrificial Lambs so to speak...

Then;

Have a stash of high end E.B.R.'s you can easily access when you need them.

E.B.R.= Evil Black Rifle / AKA assault weapon.

The goon squad will have to issue me a legal search and seizure warrant, before I will surrender anything to them. Just demanding them, will get them squat!

Know your rights, and know the constitution. Those will be your real weapons!

Stay sharp, stay focused, and keep your ear to the ground. Be prepared for when SHTF! It is a long running mantra...but timeless. Head it.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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Good replies, and good ideas. Thanks guys.

I'm working on a restoration of a 79 jeep CJ-5 also.....only one electronic component in it required to keep it runnin, and when it's done I'll have a spare of those in a electrostatic bag inside a lead box


If sh*t hits the fan I'll have a 12-ga and a jeep, at least ha!



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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They can't even get the guns away from the gangbangers, how the heck are they going to take our guns away?

This looks a good place for my 2nd line.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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I'd give them all of my weapons as well. Too many people know the quantity and types of weapons that I have for me to try to hide them. Once they have left, I'll just go out to the garage and make new ones. I already have pre-machined blanks of most of the parts that I need and a full set of CAD drawings on my laptop.

For those of you who intend to rely on the Police to protect you, you might want to read the SCOTUS decision Gonzoles vs Castle Rock. SCOTUS has ruled that the Police are under no obligation to protect an individual, they are supposed to protect society as a whole. To me that descision is alot more important than Heller vs DC.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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What I would not do is post what I would do on a public internet forum. Plans that might, at the time of execution, be illegal, should be held close to the vest.



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