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Lisbon Treaty.. Come on!

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posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 06:59 AM
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Does anyone realise that the biggest decision for our future is being decided today in Ireland? No threads on ATS at all? I was expecting frontpage threads, but nothing?
It the same on Danish TV where .. Uhhh, Obama just visited (nothing on the news but obama for the last 4 days!!), so only a 30 sec. report on the Irish election.

When was it.. a half year ago they voted no (for the whole of Europe, in which the decision to take away our sovereignty was taken by the politicians) and now they are beeing forced to make a decision again. Yea we have all seen it before, and now it's happening again.

I hope to see some people with more knowledge than me, will contribute to the situation during the during the day!



[edit on 2-10-2009 by Alternative Thinker]




posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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I think the Olympics and Obama has overshadowed it.

Also, the polls in Ireland have been open for 6 hours already and yet only 4% of voters have voted so far.

Odd that it’s so quiet.

My family have already voted.

RTE News on Voting so far

Mikey


[edit on 2/10/2009 by Mikey84]



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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I heard something about manipulated pools.. That the said that there was surposed to be like 45 % no voters, where the real number was actually 53% no voters. You heard anything about this?



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by Alternative Thinker
I heard something about manipulated pools.. That the said that there was surposed to be like 45 % no voters, where the real number was actually 53% no voters. You heard anything about this?


Nope, haven’t heard anything. (Australian news reports local news for local people, lol, so doubt we'll hear much over here).

I’d actually be a YES voter if I was back at home in Dublin lol.... but I can’t vote while overseas, my family are all NO voters though.

But even though I do support it, I do think it seems very very strange at how quiet it is, kind like it’s trying to sneak through quick and quietly... and that is odd, and that I don't like.

When is it you find out the result, been watching RTE news here online and when they do say it they have been saying won’t know until late Sunday?

Also looking at other EU News sites in France, UK, Denmark, Czech, Germany... it all looks very very quiet.

And as you said even on here.

I just don’t understand why it’s so quiet, because whichever way it goes, YES or NO it’s going to have a big impact.

Mikey


[edit on 2/10/2009 by Mikey84]



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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DUBLIN (Reuters) - Irish supporters of the European Union's reform treaty outnumber opponents by more than two to one, according to an opinion poll to be published Sunday, days before a second referendum on the issue.

The Red C/Sunday Business Post poll showed 55 percent of voters backed the Lisbon Treaty, a fall of seven points from the last poll two weeks ago but some distance ahead of the 'No' side, which increased by four points to 27 percent.

The proportion of undecided voters in the October 2 plebiscite rose by three points to 18 percent, but this was a significantly lower level than before the previous ballot last year which rejected the treaty, forcing the EU to shelve plans to reform its decision-making process.

The poll was conducted among more than 1,000 voters on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday this week.


uk.reuters.com...

Seems crazy?? Propaganda on TV I'm sure..
But I don't think it's coincidential that the Lisbon treaty vote is on exacly the same day as the vote for the holding of the Olympics. It's so typical, seen it over and over again!



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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What's going on with the Olympics? I'm in Ireland and that's one thing that is nowhere to be seen or heard today.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by Alternative Thinker
But I don't think it's coincidential that the Lisbon treaty vote is on exacly the same day as the vote for the holding of the Olympics. It's so typical, seen it over and over again!


I agree, last year it was huge, and we were getting updates all the time as it was happening.

Because of all this Olympics and Obama, the vote will go ahead and pass through, you’ll hear nothing of it. Then when it is officially in place in Jan 2010 people will say “Oh, when did that happen”.

Regardless of what way you vote, I don’t believe it should be quietly pushed under the door.

Mikey



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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European Superstate here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When the yes vote wins it will be a very sad day for the people of Europe. So many people asleep to the agendas of the Elitests currently running Europe. Now in return for money we are going the route of handing Control of our freedoms and rights to people who could not give a sh*t about the people!

Sad Sad Day!



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by Yossarian
What's going on with the Olympics? I'm in Ireland and that's one thing that is nowhere to be seen or heard today.


Watching RTE live online, all I'm getting is the Earthquake in Indonesia and the Olympics Bid.

The Gaelic version was all on the vote though.

Mikey



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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Tony Blair 'in line for EU presidency'

Tony Blair 'in line for EU presidency'#



Tony Blair could become the first President of Europe within weeks if the Irish vote in favour of the Lisbon Treaty, it has been suggested. The former Prime Minister is favourite to take up the new post, which would be created if the European Constitution is ratified by all 27 EU member states


Interesting. What do you all think of this? All conjecture of course for the moment but what implications could this have?



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by kcfusion
European Superstate here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When the yes vote wins it will be a very sad day for the people of Europe. So many people asleep to the agendas of the Elitests currently running Europe. Now in return for money we are going the route of handing Control of our freedoms and rights to people who could not give a sh*t about the people!

Sad Sad Day!


I agree 100% !!
One step at a time. One treaty after another. Few changes each time.
And now, after all those small changes, they soon have the power of Europe in the hands of the few!



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by Yossarian
Tony Blair 'in line for EU presidency'

Tony Blair 'in line for EU presidency'#



Tony Blair could become the first President of Europe within weeks if the Irish vote in favour of the Lisbon Treaty, it has been suggested. The former Prime Minister is favourite to take up the new post, which would be created if the European Constitution is ratified by all 27 EU member states


Interesting. What do you all think of this? All conjecture of course for the moment but what implications could this have?


Blair of course! A high ranking member of the different secret sociaties, and always loyal to the elite. Surely a perfect candidate for that paticular job



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by Yossarian
Tony Blair 'in line for EU presidency'

Tony Blair 'in line for EU presidency'#



Tony Blair could become the first President of Europe within weeks if the Irish vote in favour of the Lisbon Treaty, it has been suggested. The former Prime Minister is favourite to take up the new post, which would be created if the European Constitution is ratified by all 27 EU member states


Interesting. What do you all think of this? All conjecture of course for the moment but what implications could this have?


That’s all old news, several threads going about him getting it.

But again, if the treaty get’s in, there won’t be a “President of Europe” (that’s a name the media has been using). There will be a more permanent president to the European Council (two and a half year term). Instead of the current 6 month rotation system.

Mikey


[edit on 2/10/2009 by Mikey84]



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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Will the president of the EU Council not be a European President for all intents and purposes?



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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it seems to have come out in the euro skeptic english media after the moratorium on the irish media took effect. it looks like an attempt to stir up republican sentiment to swing the vote to no.

last i heard, blair hadn't a chance of getting it.

the EU president doesn't have a very defined role yet, no-one really knows what the job will entail.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 07:56 AM
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The Irish were this afternoon forecast to approve the widely despised document by a margin of 60-65 per cent, paving the way for the former prime minister's return to frontline politics.

www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Yossarian
Will the president of the EU Council not be a European President for all intents and purposes?


Yes and no. Just like the power of president of the USA is completly different to the power of the President of Ireland.

The president is not granted any formal power, but he or she would "chair and drive forward [the work of the European Council]" and take part in the representation of the common foreign policy of the EU on the world stage.

If ratified the new President of the European Council would be elected for a two and a half year term. The election would take place by a qualified majority among the members of the body, and the President can be removed by the same procedure.

Unlike the President of the European Commission, there is no required approval from the European Parliament. The President's work would be largely administrative in coordinating the work of the Council and organising the meeting. It does however offer external representation of the council and the Union and reports to the European Parliament after Council meetings and at the beginning and end of his or her term.

In many newspapers this new post is being called "President of Europe".

The current post of President-in-Office of the European Council is chaired by the head of government (or state) of the country holding the presidency of the European Union which rotates every six months.


Wikipedia gives a general basic idea, or you can read the actual treaty of Lisbon, lol.... here:

President of the European Council

Treaty of Lisbon Council Details

Actual Treaty of Lisbon

Mikey


[edit on 2/10/2009 by Mikey84]



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 08:20 AM
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I am surprised Dermo is not putting his opinion this .. he must be out collecting ballots or rallying the Yes camp, Me personally cant see anything wrong with a united EU, IMO



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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I fear, that the Irish will fail this time to say NO to the Lisbon treaty. Due to the current crisis many Irish will be more cautious. "We must stand together and give a unified response to the economic challenge" will convince many to vote this time with YES.

The constitution - pardon treaty will smooth the way to more centralisation of power. More decisions will be made by technocrats. Citizens and the elected governments will have less and less to say. The number of Lobbyists as well as the text of treaty will guarantee, that the future Europe will be an Europe of the corporations and not of the citizens. Audio from David Icke:

irishsideofthemoon.blogspot.com...

What kind of politics are to be expected in the future? Read the leaked EUISS document: "What ambitions for Europeans defence in 2020?" Unlike the unreadable treaty it is written in an understandable language. It is an open call for imperialistic policies. Interventionalist strategies are to be applied to secure ressources and western interests.

88.80.16.63...

For the German speaking - watch this:

www.youtube.com...

Maybe the Czech president Vaclav Klaus can stall this for a while, before he is forced to sign the treaty.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by Drunkenshrew]



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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As soon as i started watching this in the morning on the news they were all saying it will be a yes not one person did i here say it will be a no.
Lets look at the last vote.



Irish voters have rejected the Lisbon Treaty.
With results in from all 43 constituencies, the Lisbon Treaty has been defeated by a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%.

From www.rte.ie...
Have you seen this.



The Vatican has made an unexpected last-minute intervention on the eve of Ireland's Lisbon Treaty referendum with a warning the European Union threatens the country's "identity, traditions and history".

From www.telegraph.co.uk...
I hope they vote NO but i just got this feeling it will be yes which is sad becouse we did not have the chance to vote.

THANKYOU



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