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Richard Dolan interview -UFOs and the National Security State.

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posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 04:12 AM
Great interview with Richard Dolan -author of the (very interesting) book,
"UFOs and the National Security State -Chronology of a cover-up"


..We talk about the delicate succession of Truman to Eisenhower and how the UFO secret seemed to be handled within the corridors of power. The crisis of 1960's caused by a major UFO wave and how the government handled it and how it led to today's atmosphere of non-disclosure from the government.

Richard discusses the story in the book of a 1951 meeting attended by Edward Ruppelt that included someone from a shadowy "controller group". Project Blue Book and its degeneration as an investigative unit and some of the reasons for this. He details an infamous potential UFO crash from 1962 and how it is covered by Blue Book.

We talk about the battle within the government in the 1950's between the "UFO Party" and those who wanted to keep the UFO secret "in-house" and how this theme seems to come up again and again throughout Ufology, including an in-depth discussion of the impact of the Freedom of Information Act on Ufology and the evolution of the FOIA and Ufology.

We also discuss the infamous JNAP-146, one of the key directives coming from the Air Force that helped to shut down UFO reports from pilots, both military and commercial. The schizophrenic nature of the UFO enigma when it comes to the Air Force and society in general.



Richard M. Dolan was born in Brooklyn, New York, in 1962. He holds an MA in History from the University of Rochester and a BA in History from Alfred University. He earned a Certificate in Political Theory from Oxford University and was a Rhodes Scholar finalist. Prior to his interest in anomalous phenomena, Dolan studied US Cold War strategy, Soviet history, and international diplomacy.

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 12:20 PM
On debunking:

As a result, the easiest thing to do with UFO evidence is to ignore it, which is what most people do. Much harder is to confront it honestly, whether this means accepting or debunking it. That is, accepting into one's worldview something as "far out" as extraterrestrials is not easy for many people, especially when one's official culture finds little more than ridicule in the subject.
But honest debunking is very, very difficult, considering the compelling nature of so many UFO cases. Personally, I am close to the position that it is impossible to do this honestly, but will leave the benefit of the doubt to some exceptional, as yet unfound, individual.

The problem with nearly all skeptical arguments against alien visitation is that, quite simply, they fail to look at the UFO evidence. They all sound great in theory, but fall apart when presented with a few good reports. In the end, skeptics are forced to fall back upon their most often-used weapon: claiming a UFO event was a hoax.

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 06:12 PM
RICHARD DOLAN at the Project Camelot Awake and Aware Conference, 19 September 2009, talking about his important new book: Volume 2 of UFOs and THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE. And more....

[edit on 8-10-2009 by stargazerman]

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 06:20 PM
When the UFO secret is out the TPTB will be exposed as TPTB.
But in a more disgusting and horrable way.
So naturally no one knows how to expose them.

[edit on 10/8/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 07:13 PM
Great book...I don't agree with a few of his sources, but overall something everyone should read. Also there's 4-5 new stories (to me) in this book that are eye opening.

Unfortunately this great book will slip through the cracks on this board, where sensationalism garners more interest than known facts. I highly recommend people pick this book up at some point to get up to speed. He presents a pretty good case with stories and documents that someone other than "us" is playing the UFO game, though we certainly are trying to catch up.

posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 05:23 AM
reply to post by stargazerman

Stargazerman-thanks for posting that one.

Originally posted by Atomic
Unfortunately this great book will slip through the cracks on this board, where sensationalism garners more interest than known facts...

Atomic -certainly hope it doesn't.


[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

posted on May, 18 2010 @ 10:25 PM
reply to post by karl 12

I have just bought and am starting to read UFOs and the National Secirity State, WOW! Very well written and investigated, from an intellegent level.

Highly recommend this to anyone interested in this topic.

[edit on 18-5-2010 by ofhumandescent]

posted on May, 18 2010 @ 11:33 PM

Originally posted by karl 12
Great interview with Richard Dolan -author of the (very interesting) book,
"UFOs and the National Security State -Chronology of a cover-up"

Thanks Karl.

I'm downloading the interview now and am interested to see what Dolan says.

It was nice of you to provide some sampler excerpts from the interview to give us some idea about the content. It looks interesting.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 12:04 AM
The main problem I have with Richard Dolan is that he willingly participates in things (conferences, ete) with complete frauds. He complains that people don't take ufology serious enough, and that he wants the opportunity to spread the word among the "normal" people so they can't dismiss this subject so easily. However, he can't have his cake and eat it too. Come on guys, Project Camelot? If he cared about this subject he would distance himself from foolish groups like that.

It is very much the time to throw the baby out with the bathwater and star over. Sure, folks like him can contribute a lot to this subject, but the line must be drawn somewhere. If we openly shun the current crop of "Ufology Celebrities" that, in some way, contribute to the stereotype that hinders our desire for honest media and public attention...if we outcast those folks the next crop of "Ufo Celebrities" will know if they followed the same formulas as the last group they too will be shunned by their target audience. Maybe then we will point this boat in the right direction...maybe.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 05:56 AM
reply to post by karl 12
Great minds think alike! Starred and Flagged.

Just got (last night) and am reading UFOs and the National Security State 1941-1973 and talk about conspiracies!

Richard Dolan thus far is coming across in his book as very intellegent and factual.

page xxv

Can They Really Cover This Up?

UFO skeptics often ask, "Do you really think the government could hide something like this for so long?" The question itself reflects ignorance of the reality that secrecy is a way of life in the national security state. Actually, though, the answer is yes and no. Yes in that cover-ups are standard operative procedures, frequently unknown to the public for decades, becoming public knowledge by a mere roll of the dice. But also no, in that UFO information has leaked out from the very beginning. It is impossible to shut the lid completely. The key lies in neuralizing and discrediting unwelcome information, sometimes through official denial, othertimes through proxies in the media.

The severity of military orders is certainly a major incentive to secrecy, least of which is penetration by the intelligence community. By the early 1950's, the CIA had cozy relationships with most major media executives in America. The most significant of these were with New york Times, Washington Post, Christian Science Monitor, New York Herald-Tribune, Saturday Evening Post, Miami Herald, Time-Life, CBS News, Scripps-Howard News Papers, hearst Newspapers, the Associated Press, United Press International, the Mutal Broadcasting System, and Reuters. In addition, the CIA had Asia, and the Americas. By the early 1970's, the agency admitted to having working relations with four hundred strategically placed people throughout the mainstream media. There is evidence that this relationship continues.

(Control the news media and you control public information/opinion)

I've been saying for years this is one massive cover-up, to the point of even discrediting and murdering people that have tried to come out with the real truth of this grand conspiracy.

This is the book to get, if you want a intellegent and well researched UFO book.

So far flipping through it, Dolan comes across as really laying out the facts and his logical perceptions and reasonings are very asute.

Can't wait to see this interview.

Suggest buying both "UFOs and the National Security State 1941-1973" and the second one, "the National Security State the National Security State 1973 - 1991".

The books, to me are a little pricey, but hugh at around 500 pages each and laying out in chronological order the entire history up to 1991, of this monsterous cover-up. And yes he's coming out with a Volumn 3 which I personally plan to add to my personal library collection.

It's clear Richard Dolan is a gifted historian whose study of U.S. Cold War strategy led him to the broader context of increased security measures and secrecy since WWII. One aspect of such government policies that has continued to hold the public's imagination for more than half a century is the question of UFOs.

He also talks about the "Black Budget", and goes on about the immense and secret budgeting that has been going on to both study (still) this phenomina and to keep the public asleep and stupid.

I'm excited about this book and this new video interview.

Maybe Mr. Dolan's books and interviews will begin to wake some of those skeptics up out there in ATS Land.

I've seen other interviews and Dolan comes off as a very quiet, intellegent, well spoken and reality based person.

Can't wait to be off this weekend. I'll be curled up with the first Security State Book and hopefully be able to read the next couple hundred pages.

And can't wait to download and view this interview.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by ofhumandescent]

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 07:11 AM
Thanks for the replies - I haven't read Richard Dolan's second book yet but he does make some very interesting comments below about government secrecy and compartmentalization of information - I also found it interesting that the U.S. Government managed to spend over 2 billion dollars on the Manhattan Project without a single member of Congress ever being aware of it (who says they can't keep a secret?)

I have used the term national security state" to describe its structures of power. It is a convenient way to express the military and intelligence communities, as well as the worlds that feed upon them, such as defense contractors and other underground, nebulous entities. Its fundamental traits are secrecy, wealth, independence, power, and duplicity.

1. Secrecy. Nearly everything of significance undertaken by America's military and intelligence community in the past half-century has occurred in secrecy. The undertaking to build an atomic weapon, better known as the Manhattan Project, remains the great model for all subsequent activities. For four years not a single member of Congress even knew about it, although its final cost exceeded the then-incredible total of $2 billion. During and after the Second World War, other important projects, such as the development of biological weapons, the importation of Nazi scientists, terminal mind control experiments, nationwide interception of mail and cable transmissions of an unwitting populace, infiltration of the media and universities, secret coups, secret wars, and assassinations all took place far removed not only from the American public, but most members of Congress and a few Presidents. Indeed, several of the most powerful intelligence agencies were themselves established in secrecy, unknown by the public or Congress for many years.

2. Wealth. Since the 1940s, the U.S. Defense and Intelligence establishment has had more money at its disposal than most nations. In addition to official dollars, much of the money is undocumented. From its beginning, the CIA was engaged in a variety of off-the-record "business" activities that generated large sums of cash. The connections of the CIA with global organized crime (and thus de facto with the international narcotics trade) has been well-established and documented for many years. [6] In addition, the CIA maintained its own private airline fleet which generated a tidy sum of unvouchered funds primarily out of Asia. Finally, much of the original money to run the American intelligence community came from very wealthy and established American families, who have long maintained an interest in funding national security operations important to their interests.

3. Independence. In theory, civilian oversight exists over the U.S. national security establishment. The President is the military Commander-in-Chief. Congress has official oversight over the CIA. The FBI must answer to the Justice Department. In practice, little of this fond theory applied during the period under review. One reason has to do with the secrecy: the compartmentalization of information within military and intelligence circles. "Top Secret" clearance does not clear one for all Top Secret information. Sensitive information is available on a need to know basis. Two CIA officers in adjoining rooms at the Langley Headquarters can be involved in completely different top secret activities, each completely ignorant of the other's doings. Such compartmentalization not only increases secrecy, but independence from the wrong (e.g. official) kinds of oversight...

4. Power. Secrecy, wealth, and independence add up to power. Through the years, the national security state has gained access to the world's most sophisticated technology, sealed off millions of acres of land from public access or scrutiny, acquired unlimited snooping ability within U.S. borders and beyond, conducted overt or clandestine actions against other nations, and prosecuted wars without serious media scrutiny. Domestically, it maintains influence over elected officials and communities hoping for some of the billions of defense dollars.

5. Duplicity. Deception is a key element of warfare, and when winning is all that matters, the conventional morality held by ordinary people becomes an impediment. The examples of public deception by national security elements are too many to summarize here, but are provided in the ensuing chapters.

The UFO cover-up (precisely the right phrase) is one secret among many within the American national security state. Like other areas within its domain, the UFO problem has been handled secretly, with great deception, and significant resources. The secrecy stems from a pervasive and fundamental element of life in our world: that those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps necessary to maintain the status quo.

Full Introduction

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Control the news media and you control public information/opinion

Hey bud, don't know if you've seen it but Terry Hansen makes some pretty astute observations in this presentation about the corporate media's treatment of the UFO/OVNI subject and it doesn't paint a pretty picture.


[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 08:18 AM
reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts

I do not know which "complete frauds" you are referring to but there is the question of who has decided those people are frauds and also the fact that if you are going to get your material and research in front of the community you pretty much have to participate in the available forums and let the audience decide who is real and who is not.

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