Does The U.S. Even Care About Its Soldiers?

And you're basing this on what? Your extensive combat experience?

Spoken (or written) like someone that's never been in the military or in battle. You fail.

Great opening. You come up with that all by yourself?



Did it ever occur to you that those who take the chance of dying might not be as gung ho to go off to die as you think? The difference is, we understand the NECESSITY of it, and are willing to hold the line, so that you pampered folk can sit back at home, and talk all manner of trash about us and our dead buddies.

No sir, a soldier is the LAST to hope for war. He's also the first to heed the call of the drums when it's necessary, and will march straight at the sound of thunder so you can talk of grand, universal thingies without fear of molestation.

How foolish of us.



How nice that you get to write policy for God. Where do I apply for that gig? You can rationalize and justify YOUR opinions all you want, too.

Thank a soldier for that ability. Put a flower on a dead hero's grave. When I get to write policy for God, I'll make sure he smiles at you for it.

Does "karma" go good on whole wheat? If not, what good is it? Tell ya what, you can have my share of it. I'd rather have the ham and lima beans.



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Anyone who thinks there's heroes in war have been drinking too much.

There are NO heroes in war.

It's all a game.

Killing is a business, and it makes tons of money.

That's the truth.

"All soldiers are dumb animals used as pawns in foreign policy."
~Henry Kissinger

I couldn't agree any more with Henry Kissinger. He is right on the money.

Soldiers aren't fighting for freedom, they are dying so that McDonalds can put up another one of its dumb establishments in another part of the world.

This is all "democracy" is: CORPORATIONS RUNNING THE SHOW.

The soldiers who have fought and died, pretty much did it for no reason, so their death was just another part of the game.

If you REALLY support the troops, then bring them home already. Stop wasting time.

You are feeding The Ego.

I think I'm having deja vu...

Just out of curiosity, do you honestly think that demeaning the lives of those who have died and demeaning the ones who are either still fighting or who've made it home is supporting them?

This is inaccurate and here's why:

ALBERTO GONZALES: "There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force. I only want to clarify that, because there are implications. Obviously, when you talk about a war declaration, you're possibly talking about affecting treaties, diplomatic relations. And so there is a distinction in law and in practice. And we're not talking about a war declaration. This is an authorization only to use military force."

Formal declarations carry alot of weight, what we have here is a difference in legalese in order to satisfy the War Powers Act. The fact that all the reasoning for the Iraq war turned out to be a lie detracts it's legitimacy as a legal war.

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reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm

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Who, exactly, is the target of this post? The government? The people of the U.S.? Seems like a pretty broad brush being used here. Do people care? You bet they do. We can't go out, with my husband in uniform, and not have people come up and thank him. Businesses offer discounts unasked many times as well. So, yes, the people of this country, for the most part, do care about the military. It's appreciated, too. Does the government care? Depends on who's in charge. Currently? I doubt it. I know the military doesn't respect the current administration. Great video on YouTube on that point:

YouTube Link

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm

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Ok I can sort of get behind you when you say soldiers don't fight for freedom. At least in my case you are right. I made some bad choices in my life and had a few kids so I have to pay child support and I only net 436$ a check. This is not enough to live on for me so I would go to Iraq for one reason Money, sep pay imminent danger pay, sepa rats, and a few others Oh combat pay I could clear 1,200$ a pay check that is what drives me to volunteer to deploy.

Sadly I have only ever been to Gitmo and sure the pay is good and the work is not so bad Iraq does not Gitmo make in the way of pay. So you are right not every soldier fights for freedom or even America I for one fight for money, money and hostess fruit pies! God I love those things.

My humble opinion is that there is a confluence of factors that work to produce a large homeless veteran population.

Number one, I don't think that Americans really do care about our veterans. Sure, I get thank you's every once in a while, maybe someone will buy me a beer. So what? What percentage of the population actually does this? More importantly, what percentage of the population does something to actually help veterans? How many donate to charities, provide opportunities where they can? My guess would be that there are more homeless veterans than there are Americans willing to actually do something to help them.

Number two, having been exposed to the brilliance that is government run anything for the past 7 years, I think that any government run veteran's aid program is probably a disaster and exceedingly difficult to participate in. I have no evidence of this other than anecdotal but as I said this is my humble opinion, so skip it if you don't agree. If getting in to see a doctor or mental health professional or anything like that is as hard for veterans as it is for me (being on active duty), then I can see why they would just give up. This is the primary reason I'm so scared of the whole universal health care thing. I've seen how the govt runs things.

And last but not least, this one is a little out there, but maybe they are more inclined to accept homelessness because of military experience. I'd be lying if I hadn't thought about just walking away from it all on occaision. The fact that I have the training and experience to survive would only make it easier.

Contrary to popular belief a soldier cannot be punished for harming himself based on the charge of "destroying government property."

He can be punished for riding an ATV without proper protective gear, without taking the prescribed classes, or after a direct order not to ride an ATV. These are probably offences that would be punished through non-judicial punishment (Article 15) rather than a Courts Martial. Notice all charges are based on disobeying orders (most if not all posts have protective gear and education requirements) rather than injuring onesself. The military can request repayment of medical costs in relation to any incident deemed not in accordance with policy and can deny life insurance payment if you are killed, but there is nothing I know of that you can be charged with for injuring yourself.

As someone stated earlier, as long as you're in compliance with regulation, the worst punishment you're likely to suffer is getting laughed at.

I thought it was funny that you mentioned how the east was about the religious doctrines.

The reason that is funny is because that religious doctrine states that you must cloth the naked, feed the hungry, and house the homeless.

In reality by not doing these things they are going against the very beliefs they hold dear.

"Iseah 58:7, 10 Feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked."

if you want the actual quote here it is.

"Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?"

"Jeremiah 22:3 Defend the helpless and oppressed; don't harm strangers, widows, orphans, or other innocent people."

"Zechariah 7:9-10 Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother: And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart."

"James 2:15-16 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?"

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reply to post by midnightbrigade

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because i believe all wars are a product of the elite in world domination, i feel so badly for our boys who patriotically fight for our freedom; and, in the end will wind up as slaves or worse die fighting for the rich.

i love our boys and men for their courage but our government does not give a crap about the soldiers.

reply to post by Zosynspiracy

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I can't believe you were dumb enough to bring God into it.

If there's a God in heaven, according to what he's already said, he much prefers warriors than lukewarm pukes who just sit around and bellyache.

"Because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth."

He seems to like do'ers a whole hell of a lot better than whiners.