Does The U.S. Even Care About Its Soldiers?, page 2
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reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 08:32 PM by nenothtu
Originally posted by Zosynspiracy

Blah blah blah!


Great opening. You come up with that all by yourself?


You and dooper are ex military so of course you're going to hold the opinions you hold of war.


Did it ever occur to you that those who take the chance of dying might not be as gung ho to go off to die as you think? The difference is, we understand the NECESSITY of it, and are willing to hold the line, so that you pampered folk can sit back at home, and talk all manner of trash about us and our dead buddies.

No sir, a soldier is the LAST to hope for war. He's also the first to heed the call of the drums when it's necessary, and will march straight at the sound of thunder so you can talk of grand, universal thingies without fear of molestation.

How foolish of us.


Doesn't change the fact that in the GRAND SCHEME of life and the universe there are no heros in war. You can rationalize and justify it all you want. If there is a god up there watching over human beings on planet Earth he's listening to guys like you shaking his head and thinking to himself...................they just don't get "IT"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Humanity is one big karmic experience that's all.


How nice that you get to write policy for God. Where do I apply for that gig? You can rationalize and justify YOUR opinions all you want, too.

Thank a soldier for that ability. Put a flower on a dead hero's grave. When I get to write policy for God, I'll make sure he smiles at you for it.

Does "karma" go good on whole wheat? If not, what good is it? Tell ya what, you can have my share of it. I'd rather have the ham and lima beans.



[edit on 2009/10/7 by nenothtu]


reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 02:33 AM by projectvxn
Originally posted by stevegmu
reply to
post by projectvxn



Congress overwhelmingly authorized President Bush to use force to remove S. Hussein. The Constitution doesn't specify what a formal declaration of war is. The President alone can not declare war, so Congress passed HJ Res 114.

link

I don't care what K. Anan said- has he been indicted yet? Which UN resolution was it that declared the removal of S. Hussein illegal?


This is inaccurate and here's why:

ALBERTO GONZALES: "There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force. I only want to clarify that, because there are implications. Obviously, when you talk about a war declaration, you're possibly talking about affecting treaties, diplomatic relations. And so there is a distinction in law and in practice. And we're not talking about a war declaration. This is an authorization only to use military force."

Formal declarations carry alot of weight, what we have here is a difference in legalese in order to satisfy the War Powers Act. The fact that all the reasoning for the Iraq war turned out to be a lie detracts it's legitimacy as a legal war.

[edit on 8-10-2009 by projectvxn]


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 01:05 AM by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm



Who, exactly, is the target of this post? The government? The people of the U.S.? Seems like a pretty broad brush being used here. Do people care? You bet they do. We can't go out, with my husband in uniform, and not have people come up and thank him. Businesses offer discounts unasked many times as well. So, yes, the people of this country, for the most part, do care about the military. It's appreciated, too. Does the government care? Depends on who's in charge. Currently? I doubt it. I know the military doesn't respect the current administration. Great video on YouTube on that point:




reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 01:15 AM by ashnomadonte
reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm



Ok I can sort of get behind you when you say soldiers don't fight for freedom. At least in my case you are right. I made some bad choices in my life and had a few kids so I have to pay child support and I only net 436$ a check. This is not enough to live on for me so I would go to Iraq for one reason Money, sep pay imminent danger pay, sepa rats, and a few others Oh combat pay I could clear 1,200$ a pay check that is what drives me to volunteer to deploy.

Sadly I have only ever been to Gitmo and sure the pay is good and the work is not so bad Iraq does not Gitmo make in the way of pay. So you are right not every soldier fights for freedom or even America I for one fight for money, money and hostess fruit pies! God I love those things.


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 03:04 PM by WhiteOneActual
My humble opinion is that there is a confluence of factors that work to produce a large homeless veteran population.

Number one, I don't think that Americans really do care about our veterans. Sure, I get thank you's every once in a while, maybe someone will buy me a beer. So what? What percentage of the population actually does this? More importantly, what percentage of the population does something to actually help veterans? How many donate to charities, provide opportunities where they can? My guess would be that there are more homeless veterans than there are Americans willing to actually do something to help them.

Number two, having been exposed to the brilliance that is government run anything for the past 7 years, I think that any government run veteran's aid program is probably a disaster and exceedingly difficult to participate in. I have no evidence of this other than anecdotal but as I said this is my humble opinion, so skip it if you don't agree. If getting in to see a doctor or mental health professional or anything like that is as hard for veterans as it is for me (being on active duty), then I can see why they would just give up. This is the primary reason I'm so scared of the whole universal health care thing. I've seen how the govt runs things.

And last but not least, this one is a little out there, but maybe they are more inclined to accept homelessness because of military experience. I'd be lying if I hadn't thought about just walking away from it all on occaision. The fact that I have the training and experience to survive would only make it easier.



reply posted on 15-10-2009 @ 11:27 AM by musselwhite
reply to post by midnightbrigade

because i believe all wars are a product of the elite in world domination, i feel so badly for our boys who patriotically fight for our freedom; and, in the end will wind up as slaves or worse die fighting for the rich.

i love our boys and men for their courage but our government does not give a crap about the soldiers.


reply posted on 15-10-2009 @ 11:41 AM by dooper
reply to post by Zosynspiracy


I can't believe you were dumb enough to bring God into it.

If there's a God in heaven, according to what he's already said, he much prefers warriors than lukewarm pukes who just sit around and bellyache.

"Because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth."

He seems to like do'ers a whole hell of a lot better than whiners.


reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 08:04 PM by ExPostFacto
reply to post by Truth_Seeker_82



Wow what an excellent idea...throw eggs at buildings. *starts thinking*


reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 05:00 AM by Eavel
Originally posted by jd140
reply to
post by midnightbrigade



I have never heard of this, do you have a link?

I have heard of soldiers getting an article 15 because they had gotten a sunburn so bad that they couldn't perform their duties. But never because they broke a leg riding an ATV.


This is true in one aspect and false in another. Soldiers can acquire documentation in the negative arena if they are not doing the rules laid down for high risk activities. If this soldier did not inform his chain of command he would be at a dirt race track riding 100 mph on a banshee and jumping 15 feet in the air, all while wearing the proper protective equipment then they go down a road. That road is called "Line of duty Determination" to determine if what you did was safe, within a reasonable realm, and not only was it unsafe for that person but for others around. This covers many other topics such as medical responsibilities of the US government, punishment in the form of whatever your commanding officer can reasonably push on you based on his "vibe" of your actions and responsibilities to the "mission".

When you sign up for the voluntary military of the United States of America, you have to be responsible not only for your Country, your Branch, your Base, your group, your Squadron, your Flight and then to yourself. The problem with this mentality is the government is a vulture for young and ignorant over old and educated. Hense the reason a military member is not to blame for our public voting ignoramous leaders, it is the publics fault for ignorant/stupid voting practise. Sorry had to toss that little part in, tired of people bashing military members when they vote for war mongers and greedy corporate puppets.
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