A moment of silence for all the dead Jihadists

Hello all,
I just registered for this site after being a lurker for a few months. I come here mostly for the thought provoking arguments, and the occasional laughs. No, I am not a lefty or a righty. I consider myself grounded in the truth as seen through "MY" eyes, not the media or college savvy friends. I respect the arguments of everyone as long as they, too, are grounded and have some semblance of self procured knowledge to back their statements up. And then I stumble across this post...
I must say, I haven't heard such filth come from anyone in a long time. (ref. the OP) To the OP: Keep your opinions. Tell the world if you must. Don't let anyone change your point of view if that is truly what you believe. However I, sighting the same free speech, will not honor these cowards no matter what you may say to "educate me". Like other posters on this thread, I have been "over there" and have seen with MY OWN EYES what they are capable of in their "freedom fight". The facade that they call a holy war. There have been too many good posts on this thread that do not need to be rehashed to state the obvious:
1. you clearly have an agenda. 2. you need to educate yourself with something other than the MSM. 3. Those that do (i.e. being there) should not be belittled due to your labeling them as a part of the "system". And 4. The Fed may not always be righteous, but that doesn't always mean they are malevolent and need you to seek the demons driving them. And finally, just because someone is in the military, it does not mean they don't think for themselves. You would be wise to listen the hell up when someone who has seen these things with there own eyes speaks. You may not agree, but chances are you will learn something. Hell, I learn something everyday from my 18 and 19 year old troops who the elites would have you think uneducated and the military was their only option. For the record, per ca pita, the military has some of the highest education in the nation. Yes, regionally accredited schools. My wife, as an example, just a lowly NCO is working on her third masters. So don't give me that mindless automaton crap. Oh, and Peace and Love is for idealists. Survival is for the strong!

reply to post by nenothtu

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You are boring because I have already answered all the arguments you have put forward, it is in this thread, let me do the hard work will ya

"I've said SEVERAL times now that the Taliban HARBORED the enemy, ALLIED themselves with the enemy, and there fore BECAME the enemy."

Source

"Killing off your own people is not a great way to build a base of support among them, nor does it thin the numbers of your alleged opposition all that much."
Who was to gain the most from the civil war? I suspect it was orchestrated. Ofcurse those who took part in it were as wrong as the American soldiers who took part in the Iraq war, both parties used emotions rather than common sense.


www.rferl.org...

"I notice you conveniently failed to justify their murder of the innocents, which was the main thrust of my point."
No the main thrust of your point was the civil war which was sparked aftere the Shrine blast. No one is defending the individuals who took part in the civil war.

"This whole thing started when the US was unjustifyably attacked."
What did Afghanistan have to do with the attacks? None of the perpetrators was from Afghanistan.

"Big pile of money? You don't need to give an individual with poor income a million dollar to kill Many young students looking for money to go to college etc etc."

GOOGLE search engine.

The information is there, you just have to dig for it. They even made a website named dig, zzzz I wish I came up with that idea, probably would have made a pile of money without having to kill someone for it.



[edit on 10-10-2009 by oozyism]

Broght you down to my level, guess it works


Once again you are making too many assumptions, when did I say that?


Still justifying the destruction of thousands of lives, and that is all you can come up with to defend it? I can defend Hitler better than that




I said:

You said:
"Yeah, I joined the AF to become rich. Another fail on your part once again. No one joins the US Military to get rich, that's for freakin' sure."

Now let us use our brain, where did I say people join the US Military to get rich. Keep trying, still boring me cause I have already discussed all these issues.





Good one No come back, keep it up, you are giving me more than I can handle

reply to post by oozyism

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By the way, on the whole "getting paid" issue; don't Jihadists and Suicide Bombers families often times get paid for their children's devotion? Also, aren't many Jihadists promised 70 virgins in the afterlife? Sounds like a pay-day to me. Doesn't matter if you believe in virgins in the afterlife as a reward, many of them do.

If I bore you, you probably should stop encouraging me, and provide something to back your opinions up. At the very least, you could attempt to counter mine.



So we are agreed then. The Taliban refused to give Bin Laden up, and so brought hell upon their own heads.

It's a start.




Just a shot in the dark here, but those who stand to gain the most... the attackers? Isn't that why attacker attack in the first place?



Isn't Amedinejad a Shia? Am I supposed to be surprised that he made this claim, "demonizing his enemies"? What was that YOU said above concerning unjust accusations to demonize one's enemies? I forget what it was just now... maybe you can do the hard work, and find it for me.



Thanks for reminding me. I often get confused about the points I'm trying to make... and you STILL haven't justified the murder of innocents that these cretins willfully perpetrate.



See, here's where your argument starts getting circular again, and you fall back to an untenable position, trying to defend against points that no one has tried to make. To avoid repeating myself for the umpteenth time, refer to your own statement above, about the guilt the Taliban bears in the matter.



I'm well aware of the "opportunities" that the US Army offers. I'm still waiting for a US soldier to run to your rescue on this one, and tell us all about the fabulous life of wealth they've garnered from travelling to exotic locations, meeting interesting people, and killing them. Unfortunately, I'm not acquainted with any of those wealthy soldiers.

I'm still waiting to hear from one.

Was that a pin dropping I heard in here?



[edit on 2009/10/10 by nenothtu]

reply to post by oozyism

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Whether you said it in black and white is not the point. You implied that American soldiers are in it for the money. You are way off base.

On another topic, you say you are here to balance out things. What the hell are you balancing out?

You keep repeating the same ol same ol while yours boys are busy being taking out one by one in a game of hide and seek.

Nothing you do on here is going to help your boys.

So, how do you expect to help balance things out?

I'm not justifying anything. I'm just saying that, like a lot of people here on ATS, you seem to think that the US is the cause of all the problems in the world. Once again, you're failing to see that there are two sides to a coin. But that's OK.

And yeah, I bet you can defend Hitler pretty well.



You said that American soldiers have $ on their mind. So, I guess that means they are fighting to get rich. Hang on, I'll get the crayons out if you need help.

I think the OP is just having fun with all of you, a debate for the sake of debating, he knew what he was biting off when he started this thread, and everyone fell for it.

No one wins in war, except of course, ..... the winners. haha, and the OP beleives that the only reason America is even in Iraq is to exploit its #1 natural resource = Sand.