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Originally posted by AdmiralObamaGFOL
Iraq is a terrorist nation run by an illegit government that oppresses and kills its own citizens. The premise of this thread is ABSURD.
It boils down to- Who do we trust with nukes?
Israel- which has them and has never used them, but will for self defense as would all other countries with them
Iran- which will soon have them and also promises the extinction of Israel and currently exports its terror in Iraq and Afganistan.
Originally posted by tyranny22
You mean an invasion like when the Jewish state seized land and claimed it as their own in 1948? In that case, yes ... full of hypocrisy.
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago [Israel] and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
"The Zionist regime is a dried up and rotten tree which will be annihilated with one storm." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
"Israel cannot continue to exist in an atmosphere of peace and tranquillity without threats and aggression. If this regime stays on one inch of Palestine’s soil, it will continue its threats." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
"There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [Israel] from the face of the Islamic world...the World without Zionism." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
"If some want to misuse the generosity of our nation, and re-examine what was previously examined, they should know the fire of the anger of the Iranian nation will be extremely burning and devastating." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world. The Islamic world will not let its historic enemy live in its heartland." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Originally posted by Nichiren
Would you let this guy, or the Mullahs behind him, have access to nuclear technology?
Originally posted by Nichiren
The "normal" rules of engagement for nukes do not apply here.
Originally posted by sueloujo
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by reassor
Do I believe their populations wants it, for the most part, no.
Do the ruling mullahs have it as a wet dream, YES!!!!
Have you noticed that since they can not convince the population of this, they are trying to make a religious war out of it.
Unfortunately, their are far too many that would foolishly do anything in the name of religion.
Lastly, even if they don't shot/drop a nuke themselves, I am sure they would give some to their lapdogs, Hamas and Hezbolla.
In this way they can nuke Israel and claim they did not do it.
[edit on 10/1/2009 by mrmonsoon]
The only threats I have seen or heard of are being made by Israel. Sanction threats by USA, France and UK....I see Iran keeping to International Law and Israel flagrantly ignoring it!
Originally posted by Nichiren
reply to post by Exuberant1
Sorry, but your statement puzzles me. Anybody who is hell bent to destroy another nation has lost the right to have access to nuclear material IMHO. What you're also forgetting is that the Mullahs in charge see it as their religious duty to destroy Israel. The "normal" rules of engagement for nukes do not apply here. Unfortunately reciprocal damage doesn't factor in.
Originally posted by Red_Fox
We should have a close watch over Pakistan and India, two nuclear super-powers which can resolve one day to a nuclear war over water-dispute.
Originally posted by djusdjus
jew baiting even here hmmn?
what is this, rense.com? lol
while I don't agree with many of the policies of the Israeli government, I refuse to demonize them like muslims have been demonized and dehumanized over the last decade or so.
I don't think dehumanizing israelis is apropo either and is in fact as low minded as the other.
I didn't realize that ATS supported Hate though. Questioning is one thing, but really, these diatribes go a bit far.
I knew it wouldn't take long.
I'm not the only one who sees it right? I'm not alone in thinking the Israeli government have an entire army of propaganda merchants on the internet?
Trouble In The Promised Land:
Sympathy – Israel’s Weapon Of Mass Illusion
War is such a vile and twisted word; It runs over the tongue like a bitter aftertaste while lacerating the veins of morality flowing from within it at the same time.
Campaigns to promote war are often laced with perverse amounts of sympathy, empathy and reassurance from oligarchical governing bodies - during which deceit is used to wage battles on the minds of ignorant citizens.
During campaigning efforts there are character roles,just like in theater,which are assigned to each cast member of the war:
- The Victims(s)
- The Hero(s)
- The Anti-Hero(s)
Todays victims,theatrically speaking, have turned into stock characters,meaning they are “conventional or stereotypical through repeated use in particular types of stories”. Stock characters are instantly recognizable to readers or audience members.
For those of us who haven’t been watching the current play, Israel:Trouble In The Promised Land, we are currently on Act VIII,Scene I:Yankee Doodle Dandy.
The key players are summarized as follows:
Israel (The Victim): A stock character who has a plethora of lines,all of which are usually given with typical emphasis to remind other characters of the Holocaust and Nazi’s. This character is always the victim during times of conflict,regardless of actions and misdeeds. Does not have to comply with rule of law.
The United States (The Hero): Wielding the sword of democratic freedom via unsubstantiated wars and unjust laws (i.e Patriot Act). Empathetic towards the victim (i.e Israel) and always comes to the aid of the alleged victimized dame in distress.
Iran,Palestinians,Arabs/Brown People (Anti-Hero’s): Usually they are displayed as being cruel forces bent on creating friction between themselves,the Hero and Victim. Though they follow the rules of the law (i.e UN,International Law,Geneva Conventions etc) they are always the evildoers – regardless.
Americans/Europeans/Western Society:Bumbling characters who usually feign ignorance and refuse to understand the drums of war before battles begin to wage due to their oligarchical governing bodies. Apathetic.
Pushing back all of the drama let’s try and look at this through an even simpler lense shall we?
Israel is always the victim in our media and the United State of America is always the shining bright guardian of freedom and justice whilst any voice of dissent found in the Middle East or elsewhere are branded,swiftly, as being “Anti-Democracy” or the like.
Watching all of this continue over and over again is like sitting through a horrible movie you’ve seen a million times yet we feel the need to press rewind again.
The scene we currently see ourselves in has the victims shouting incessantly about the Holocaust while claiming that Iran are anti-Semitic; Bent on sending all of the “Jews into the sea” – a fallacious argument with no balls and no bearings.
So much idiocy,so little time.
The story of the Promised Land has been blanketed with half-truths, fallacies and deceit. Roles have been stolen and a handful of actors are now masquerading themselves;Trying to steal the parts of other characters in order to garner sympathetic support.
In reality Israel is not the victim:
More than 8 wars have been started and or induced by the illegal state since its creation in 1948 via the Balfour Declaration.
In reality the United States of America is not the hero:
Afghanistan,Iraq,Pakistan,Somalia [and soon Iran]- all victims of American imperialism which is hell bent on stealing from countries their natural resources and leaving them with a dry and barren land,raped women and children who cannot even fathom a day where the sun shall shine again as it did before.
In reality The Middle East is not the problem:
Western Occupying Regimes are the problem.
Occupying their land,killing their people while trying to ram democratic ideals down their throats – Ironically none of these “democratic” nations follow their own values.
Any rational individual would assume that some of us would have learned from past mistakes and misadventures but unfortunately some of us do not understand rationality or logic enough to see passed all of the political theatrics.
The United States and Israel are now trying to push another war on us,with Iran, and many people are falling for the bait – hook,line and sinker.
What is it going to take for you all to wake up and see that the hand of imperialism is still holding us by the necks?
More dead bodies piling up?
I don’t know what it’s going to take but the lot of you who are still sitting the middle need to get on the ball. Feigning ignorance doesn’t work anymore – when you see evil,hear evil and smell evil you don’t hide under the sheets. You face the issue head on.
Iran isn’t the embodiment of theatrical anti-heroism in this situation.
We are the Anti-Heros.