Not sure you agree with him?

I can't believe there is any doubt in your post.

I don't know much about him but I can tell you this, for being the first time to see him, I DO NOT LIKE HIM. Period. You do not try to blackmail people into buying into this garbage that is being force fed to us. That is exactly what he is doing. Not speaking his own mind. He's using fear and HORRENDOUS events in our history to push an agenda.

One of the good guys? Sorry. He seems to be on the 'agenda' train to me. Just one of the atypical politicians.

Under Godwin's law he just lost any and all credibility, just another talking head in Washington invoking fear of the Nazis to get his way. Tie that in with appealing to the general reverence for ones deceased friends and family and you have a great PR move, except hes still just another politician.

I love this guy! The only thing I didn't think was right was that he used the term "Holocaust". That has one meaning only and it didn't fit here. Otherwise, I say, "Bravo"!

This is getting ridiculous!

So, let me get this straight, Helig.

If you want health care reform, you're a talking head in Washington, but those who don't want it and are against it are the true saviors of our country?

Does anyone else on here see where many of the members of ATS are going?

A bit theatrical or dramatic. Sure. But the facts are the facts. Over 44,000 people a year in the self-proclaimed number 1 country in the world died when there was no need for them to die. That's a humanitarian crime that rivals what some of you same people who decry it in other places in the world would have a seizure over. It's a hard fact to swallow that the U.S. is not number 1 in a lot of areas, isn't it? And I for one believe that until this and the other areas where we are lacking (education, infant mortality, life expectancy, hunger) are fixed in this country we have no RIGHT to be messing with other people's countries. Period. The World Prime Directive.

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Originally posted by Mak Manto
This is getting ridiculous!

So, let me get this straight, Helig.

If you want health care reform, you're a talking head in Washington, but those who don't want it and are against it are the true saviors of our country?

Does anyone else on here see where many of the members of ATS are going?

Pro tip: don't put words in peoples mouth

Did I even once say that people against the healthcare sham are somehow saviors of our country? Where did I infer that, because I'm pretty sure there is nothing in my previous post which can be construed by anybody to mean what you are claiming.

Where I as a member of ATS am going is to point out to everyone that these people are NOT looking out for your welfare, they are at the end of the day doing whatever is necessary to make money and keep their job. If there were no votes to be gained or money to be made in this whole thing do you honestly think anybody in congress would give a wrinkled rats hind section about healthcare in this country?

Yes, I do.

I think there is corruption in the Senate, but I also think that are people in there who care for their constituents.

Originally posted by jd140
I love it!

If this had been a Republican then all you liberals would be screaming that this is propaganda.

But noooo, this is a Democrat so of course its all facts.

I don't often, if ever, agree with you
But here you are correct

This truth that you spoke, I see it as reality and I also see it really really blinding the people like never before.

Everyone these days I see agreeing with the Dems only because they aren't republicans.

It's amazing how people in a 1st world country are like zombies.

this is brain dead thinking people!

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by jd140
I love it!

If this had been a Republican then all you liberals would be screaming that this is propaganda.

But noooo, this is a Democrat so of course its all facts.

I don't often, if ever, agree with you
But here you are correct

Okay I am convinced that hell just froze over.

Imagine being poor and one day you have this pain in your stomach. It's so bad you have to go to the emergency room. When you get there they do some scans and blood work. They come back in to tell you that you have stomach cancer and that you should see a specialist. Thank you and have a nice day.

The only problem is you can't see a specialist because you have no insurance. The next thing you know your at home with stomach cancer waiting to die. No nothing nobody no answers. Just looking at the walls in pain waiting to die.

The senator is speaking for those people. He is speaking for those who have no where to go and no means of treatment.

Originally posted by Helig
Under Godwin's law he just lost any and all credibility, just another talking head in Washington invoking fear of the Nazis to get his way.

Lol reductio ad nazium

Booyaah! Right on rep. Grayson. I like this guy too but I don't trust either
parties version of any kind of health reform. I don't believe in leaving
people out in the cold without treatment. Both parties have proven their
untrustworthiness so I'm not sure where to go from here. The system
needs fixing for sure but I for one am a dependant on it. If anything were
to get changed and I couldnt get my meds I would be dead within a week.
Maybe im number 44,800 and eight. Pfft, who cares?

Originally posted by cloakndagger
Imagine being poor and one day you have this pain in your stomach. It's so bad you have to go to the emergency room. When you get there they do some scans and blood work. They come back in to tell you that you have stomach cancer and that you should see a specialist. Thank you and have a nice day.

The only problem is you can't see a specialist because you have no insurance. The next thing you know your at home with stomach cancer waiting to die. No nothing nobody no answers. Just looking at the walls in pain waiting to die.

The senator is speaking for those people. He is speaking for those who have no where to go and no means of treatment.

Another version of the same "fiction" - except this one is far closer to the truth:

Imagine being poor and one day you have this pain in your stomach. It's so bad you have to go to the emergency room. When you get there they see you before all the people who have actually paid for their health insurance and do some scans and blood work. They come back in to tell you that you have stomach cancer and that you should see a specialist. They call the specialist, who juggles their schedule to fit you in even if it pushes back appointments and surgeries for people that have actually paid for their health insurance. Your surgery is then done free of charge to you - helping to push up the costs of the people that actually paid for their health insurance.

And now the really sad part ...

The only problem is that now people that actually paid for their health insurance can't see a specialist in a timely basis because you have no insurance and have been put in the queue ahead of them. The next thing they know is you're at home with your stomach cancer cured and now they're waiting to die. Because of you, they didn't get to see a specialist in time. No nothing nobody no answers. Just looking at the walls in pain waiting to die.

The senator is making up stories for those people naive enough to believe him. He is using totally inappropriate metaphors such as the Holocaust and playing on the misguided sympathies of those who have no clue what's being debated on and passed by their elected representatives in congress.

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