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Email to Every Woman on ATS: Through a Rapists Eyes - BEWARE - *The Crying Baby*

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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by ROBL240
no wonder men resort to rape when there all treated like second class people.


WHAT??!!!


Women have been treated like second class people since.....well, in many places it's still going on.

No wonder men resort to rape!!! Again, ladies, we learn that being raped is all our fault. We somehow offended them or angered them or hurt their feelings and we deserved it.

This thread, according to my understanding, has nothing to do with women hating men or disrespecting them. It's about recognizing a statistical fact and learning ways to not become a statistic.

Btw, it's not media induced fear that dictates the actions of some women. Those who have been burned don't necessarily have "pyrophobia"; they just recognize situations in which they could be burned again. It's called a learning process.

And I don't remember who it was that said earlier "I don't understand how a woman could allow herself to be raped" but my jaw just dropped to the floor. Do you understand how a 90 year old disabled widow woman could be raped? Or a 7 year old child? Or a choir boy? Do you REALLY not understand or are you saying it's a woman's fault if she gets raped? I'm not hating on you here; I really would like an answer.




posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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ok this topic hits home for me i have known sevrel woman who were raped or sexualy abused. i would just like to start this out saying to all the woman, do not depend on anyone to take care of your safety for you a ounce personal responsability will pay off in large dividends through out your life. i wont post any torrent links to self defense ebooks out of respect for ats as a community and not wanting to bring unwanted heat to a place i love so much but i will suggest if you are looking for books on the topic remember that flashy only works on tv quick and dirty is more effective and easier to learn and master. most women dont realize that some of the best fighters and i mean real fighting not competition or exhibition matches are woman. mainly because woman seem to not be afraid to use what ever works and arent worried about fighting dirty. most of the advice given already is exelent and i know some of this may be redundant but i have some links that may help get someone who dosent know self defense well get some basic ideas and learn what there looking for.


wiki.answers.com...

www.chacha.com...'re-pulling-it-with-your-hand

www.self-defender.net...

www.self-defender.net...

www.self-defender.net...

www.self-defender.net...

www.self-defender.net...

www.rapeescape.com... exelent source of articles

www.safetyforwomen.com... great article



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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When I was a kid my dad called me into the kitchen and said, "Hey, I wanna show you something." He took a milk jug and poured four cups of water into it and handed it to me. "Do you feel how heavy the handle is in your hand? That's how much strength it takes to tear a man's throat out." He then handed me an apple and had me take a bite of it, "That's how hard you have to bite in order to bite a man's nose or ear off." May sound sick but great last resort.

Please remember, (and this is something that works, I know) if a man has facial hair in anyplace, grab it and hold in, it hurts. If you get hit and fall while holding someones beard, they'll follow you to the ground. If you grab at the hair on the chin and pull towards the ground, the attacker will prostrate themselves (lay on their stomach), don't let go. While holding the hair of the chin, circle around to their back and sit on top of them while pulling the facial hair upwards, like trying to pull the jaw up over the top of the head. This will make them crane their neck backwards to the full extent. At that point their throat muscles will constrict against the jugulars and within moments they will pass out. Keep pulling in a sharp jerk and tear out a handful of their beard, which you will be able to present to the police as a DNA sample. Also the attacker will have a nice patchy beard and a bloody scar to remember you by. This is also a great time to urinate on your attacker. Remember what they are wearing, you just demolished your attacker, so your adrenaline is pumping, take a deep breath, clear your head, this way you will be focused if you need to followup and ransack your attackers wallet, (if he was dumb enough to bring it).
If you're not the type to use the police, you now have the attackers I.D. and you can easily locate their house and teach them how a real predator works.

Look at the animal kingdom, a lion, a bear, they won't just come up and give you a warning slash. They'll drag you down and make your soul cry for even thinking about it.

Or, go into Mac Truck mode and run your attacker over. If you turn and run towards your attacker they will drop into a lunging position ( knees bent). Don't slow down, just step up onto one of their thighs and jump straight up. If you can get one knee to clear their shoulder (which isn't hard since their knee which you just jumped off will be #e now) bring your thighs together around their neck and fall forward onto your hands, forcing the attacker onto their back with your lower legs pinned under them. This will cause an immediate loss of consciousness on their part.

Also, if you step forwards and slide your leading leg between your attackers legs and press gently (like you want to move through them) the attacker will begin to fall backwards as they bend their knees. If you follow them forward as they fall, and bend your knee they will come to a crippling halt as their onion ring (which is the target ) comes into contact with your knee. This is a paralyzing blow and has caused death.

Again, if it is midnight and you find yourself accosted and fear for your life (this may sound strange but it works) slap the top of your attackers head as hard as you can. In the wee hours of the morning chi, or life force is accumulated in the head due to the moons influence. Slapping (not punching, you'll break your knuckles) the top of the head during this time will immediately disrupt the flow of life force in a body, causing the heart to go into a quivering state of shock (heart attack). If you choose to show mercy, count coup, or just teach them a lesson about picking you, bring both fists together and throw them straight at the attackers heart, driving them to fall on their back. As they impact, keep your arms straight and the resulting impact as they hit the ground and their chest is compressed, will be that their heart will be restarted.

I have taught many men and women these techniques, and they work.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by whitewave

Originally posted by ROBL240
no wonder men resort to rape when there all treated like second class people.


(snipped)...And I don't remember who it was that said earlier "I don't understand how a woman could allow herself to be raped" but my jaw just dropped to the floor. Do you understand how a 90 year old disabled widow woman could be raped? Or a 7 year old child? Or a choir boy? Do you REALLY not understand or are you saying it's a woman's fault if she gets raped? I'm not hating on you here; I really would like an answer.


I read that too. sad.

I read Elizabeth Smart's testimony today. What did she do to deserve what she got every day...4, 5 times.....EVERY DAY...for 9 MONTHS? Go read how her first experience with a man went. Kidnapped out of her bed at knife point, dragged to the woods, chained up to a tree, and raped....repeatedly.

I wonder what her wedding night's going to be like.

Sometimes I hate even being associated with the human race. We really are a cruel people when it comes down to it.

Sorry...this subject tears me up. I've met so many people over the years that have gone through this...it's just sad. For what....because some idiot is scared of a real relationship, or being rejected, or wants to be 'in control'.

Any man (?) who says 'she deserved it' will burn in hell and will deserve what he has coming to him.

(BTW) Yes, I'm male. Married 25 years. I don't have a problem having sex. Try it....it's a really cool concept. (Marriage)



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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Very good thread. The only part I disagree with is women carrying guns/knives, it's probable the rapist would turn it on them. As bad as rape is, it's even worse if the rapist kills you in the struggle. I'm a man and I don't carry knives with me for that reason. I'd just kick em in the balls or something.

[edit on 1-10-2009 by Donnie Darko]



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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Very true. Like you said, it's easier said than done but one of the best things to do is not to panic. My mother pressed that into my brain as a child: Don't panic.

Interesting stories you share. Back in the 60's/70's my mother was hitchhiking in California as a teenager. The man who picked her up drove her out to the middle of nowhere in the California hills. She was able to figure out what he was planning and although she was scared as hell, she started to engage in conversation with him.

Her goal was to get him to see her as a person and not a 'thing' or sex object. She'd talk about funny things that happened to her, asked him what his favorite kind of food was then fibbed by saying something like, 'Me too! I love [whatever]. It's really good with salsa if you have any.' She was essentially using the logic the media uses by showing cute photos of missing children in the hopes the abductor would see the child as a person and return them.

Once they got deep into the hills, she told me he pulled over, got out of the car, left her there, then went to sit on his hood like he was really contemplating things. Then she told me he simply got in the car after a while and took her back into town.

Really creepy but she kept her head. I don't know what he would have done or what he was truly planning to do. But I do know what didn't happen: He didn't hurt her.

[edit on 10/1/2009 by AshleyD]



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by AshleyD
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Very true. Like you said, it's easier said than done but one of the best things to do is not to panic. My mother pressed that into my brain as a child: Don't panic.

Interesting stories you share. Back in the 60's/70's my mother was hitchhiking in California as a teenager. The man who picked her up drove her out to the middle of nowhere in the California hills. She was able to figure out what he was planning and although she was scared as hell, she started to engage in conversation with him.

Her goal was to get him to see her as a person and not a 'thing' or sex object. She'd talk about funny things that happened to her, asked him what his favorite kind of food was then fibbed by saying something like, 'Me too! I love [whatever]. It's really good with salsa if you have any.' She was essentially using the logic the media uses by showing cute photos of missing children in the hopes the abductor would see the child as a person and return them.

Once they got deep into the hills, she told me he pulled over, got out of the car, left her there, then went to sit on his hood like he was really contemplating things. Then she told me he simply got in the car after a while and took her back into town.

Really creepy but she kept her head. I don't know what he would have done or what he was truly planning to do. But I do know what didn't happen: He didn't hurt her.

[edit on 10/1/2009 by AshleyD]


Something similar happened to me when I was 16. I got a ride from this guy and he eventually told me he was a rapist, luckily not only did he decide not to rape me (not sure if he was contemplating it or not but I was scared!), he gave me a few dollars. Guilt money I guess.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by silo13
11) If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you and yell STOP! or STAY BACK!
Don't bother warning them - if you have pepper pray - USE IT!


This could look pretty strange in a crowded street.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 10:54 PM
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Great advice and good thread! Flag for you!

The most important thing of all, IMO, is to FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT until you can't anymore. Then take a deep breath and fight some more. Don't let him put you in the car. If he gets you in the car do everything you can to disrupt what he's trying to do. Don't believe anything he says about "be quiet or I'll hurt you." He's going to hurt you regardless of what you do. Squirm, slap, punch, kick, scratch, scream, bite, bust out the windows, anything. You need to become the Tasmanian devil. Attract attention to yourself. Don't give up until he does!



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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Shock paralyses you, whether you think you're prepared or not.

I caught a thief once who had smashed the back window of my car and took the suitcase i stupidly left on the back seat. I came back to the car and immediately set off looking in the alleys and to my absolute amazement, i found him hiding behind some big steel bins going through my stuff. I just grabbed him and frisked him for my stuff he put in his pockets. The point of that story is that he was so shocked that he was caught so fast that he froze when i grabbed him and i was so pissed off, i must of exuded an air of 'try it, you mofo'.

If someone has intent and they grab you from behind, you will freeze for a few seconds. Then the adrenaline starts to flow, upon which it's time to fight. You could feign passing out and go floppy, then wait for the right moment to ram the keys you've clenched like a knuckle duster, right in the side of their temple or ram the palm of your hand as hard as possible into their nose in an upwards motion.

Best advice is to not put yourself in dark places on your own.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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Dunno if it's been said or not, but to go along with the defacating, urinating, sucking eyeballs and gouging them, you can grab the top of the ear and pull downward. It's only takes 5-10 pounds of pressure to "rip" an ear off. If somebody can keep on at it after an ear is taken off or an eyeball is sucked out, you're just up S creek without a paddle.

Oh and to the guy on the first page who got his wife a dog, AWESOME idea. People are scared of big dogs.
I have seen this first hand when my wife and I lived in some shady apartments.

We would go walk our dogs on the sidewalks, everytime somebody would be coming towards us they would step WAY aside so we could pass, or just turn around and take a different route altogether.... these are big bad scarey thugs who were scared sh*$less of medium sized dogs. (pitbulls) So yeah... dogs, especially big dogs with GOOD training, are better deterrents than just about anything.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Thank you for the very informative and useful thread.

Something else that works and only one other poster really mentioned this-Acting like you are crazy really does work.

For example: A strange man was following me down the street at night and I stopped into a small store to buy something and when I came back out, he was still there. I kept walking, slowed down and when he was about 10 feet away-I turned around as he got closer and the yelled "BOO" as loud as I could. Then I yelled "What are you doing, what do you want, why are you here, what is that?" There were other people around, but not closeby and there were doorways and alleys and other dark places, but I was not sure anyone would have noticed if he grabbed me.

I kept saying really bizzare random weird things as he walked away, but it worked. I hurried back to the store just in case he was still around. That said, one should be very careful about being out alone after dark, especially in a city that you are not familiar with.

This has worked for me more than once, even when I was surrounded by a scary group of younger men in a store parking lot a night. I picked the one that looked kind of like the leader and said "What are you guys going to do rape me, rob me-I don't have any money-you do not scare me at all! They all looked kind of stunned, and kind of surprised that I was not intimidated, so they let me pass.

I am very petite, and I do not look very scary, but I do know how to act crazy if I need to-not as good as a gun, but just thought I would add this as one more way to avoid being attacked.

Always make eye contact and never act scared-men will usually look elsewhere if they think you do not look like a victim. Also, pepper spray or a knife in hand is a good idea, for parking garages, or even parking lots especially after dark.

One more thing-always be aware of who and what is around you-you are not safe at a store a night just because you go there all the time.

When I lived in Las Vegas, a 30 year old mother of two was at the grocery store where I shopped at all the time at 9:00 p.m. buying cookie dough, so she could make cookies for her son's school party the next day-she was found dead much later, and it was very sad. We lived in a nice neighborhood (far away from the casinos) and it seemed very safe.

I was much more cautious after that, and even now I do not like to go out alone at night, especially to Wal Mart, rapists and robbers know that woman go there alone and there have been many many incidents like the one the one mentioned earlier in this thread. I am not picking on Wal Mart, it is just that they are usually open late or all night. I am sure that this happens at other stores too.

Thanks you to everyone for all of the great information, we may never know, but this thread may have just saved someone from being raped.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Good job . however right now there is a rapist reading this somewhere , so only naturally smarter techniques will be deployed .My advice is to act as your not resisting then when opportunity comes strike where it hurts lol (ahhh now they read about my advice , i wander what counter will be used, perhaps a needles with drug ,who knows be ready for anything)

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posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:26 AM
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The best weapon I had was keeping calm and paying attention to every detail of my attacker while he violated my body. The way he smelled, his accent, clothes, scars, tattoos, brand of cigarette he was smoking, where he dropped the cig butt, type of watch he was wearing, other jewelry, facial hair, eye color, etc.

Had I fought him, there is no doubt in my mind he would have pulled the trigger. Instead, I kept calm and paid attention to the details. My attacker was caught the same day. He was charged and found guilty for several other rapes in the area. He now sits in prison. Getting exactly what he gave to us.


You bring up a very important topic.

There’s no way of knowing what’s right but there are no wrongs.

There are no 100% sure tactics to use once you’re facing a rapist.

So, as you said, follow your instincts, keep calm, and pay attention to every detail and follow what your gut instinct tells you.

And you’ve my thanks and gratitude to you for sharing your incident.

The courage and compassion you’ve displayed proves there is life beyond rape.

Not to trivialize the incident by any means, yet a reminder that we can't let the incident rule the rest of our lives either.



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posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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do not depend on anyone to take care of your safety for you a ounce personal responsability will pay off in large dividends through out your life.


Exactly!!! *High Five*

And something else to take into consideration.

If you know you‘re *able* - that you’re taught - that you’re capable of resisting an attack, that you WILL take care of yourself, that you’re not vulnerable, you’re going to walk in a different way, you’re going to carry yourself with confidence, you’re not going to present yourself to the world as vulnerable.

It’s a damn good start to prevention isn’t it.

With the way things are going in the world, the downward spiral society seems to be taking, unemployment and financial ruin visiting far too many people?

Things are going to get desperate.

If there was ever a time in your life, for ANY OF YOU to take some self defense classes, it’s now.

peace

[edit on 2-10-2009 by silo13]



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 03:08 AM
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I can't really agree with all this violence. And I saw a PRC member in here so I think I should step in (where angels fear to tread)...

A woman has less to fear when she holds her head high and strides forth with intent and purpose. And guns ought not to be floating about in general population. Or knives. Tasers maybe. Pepper spray is good.

That said, I will now prepare defense.

I have a policy to train my daughters to black belt level. Not to become involved in conflict, but to avoid it. When trouble comes looking, it will pass them over because they will be ready for it. And I have taught also the "all-or-nothing" philosophy, stressing why it is imperative not to fight. Because when they do, someone will die.

There is no shield like this kind of confidence. Cool, cold calculation is much harder to deal with than screaming and flailing about. It preserves dignity and prevents transmission. I have had experiences where I ignored screams and wails for help as I always found them to be either mental cases or drug addicts, sometimes with a nasty intent to go with them. And an attacker can claim the same of their victim, given they are smart enough. Also if an attacker can get a reaction, even better, fear is food.

Perish the thought of weapons, it is too easy to use them in situations they cannot or should not be used in, the possibility of injuring an innocent increases, and they can be used against you. But no one can take away your hands and feet, and your ability to use the environment and what is in it to advantage.

If I ever have to lay my hands on a stranger like you, it would be to drag you out of harm's way, and I certainly would not appreciate being shot for that. Besides my daughters would come kick your ass after you got out of jail. Think on these points, it is a brutal world and only the brightest survive.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 03:22 AM
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Just a quick thing about the nose picking deterrent. What if the offender has a scat fetish?



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 04:05 AM
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Hello,

This is crazy. If some nasty rapist jumps out and grabs you you are screwed.

If your a big strong woman who is armed and knows kung foo you still run a great risk of getting raped.

But if your a sweet little 100 pound girl you are screwed.

First of all if a guy is willing to rape a girl you can bet he is willing to knock the girl out if she makes a peep. It is very, very important to not let the rapist get a hold of you.

If you have a knife or a gun and are scared to use it, it can be used against you.

This is some serious stuff to women who have to go through it. There are really bad people who will do really, really bad things to girls.

Here is a list of ways to avoid getting raped.

Don't get drunk off your ass.

Always be around friends.

If you have a boyfriend or a husband always ask him to accompany you from your car to the house. Or in general ask a guy you know well to escort you to your house.

Always have at least two plans of escape for places you know are dark and dangerous.

Avoid dark and dangerous places.

If you hear a baby crying in a bush Run your ass off and call the police.

Understand that you are a lady and you need to be protected by men you know well.

If you can swallow your damned pride for a second and always have a guy with you during dangerous situations you will not have to # yourself or gauge any eyes out.

If you are escorted like any lady should be by a friend or a lover you will decrease the times in your life you have to walk down a dark street in utter terror and paranoia will not be that much a part of your life.

TA!!

Izzy.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 04:17 AM
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I have been reading this thread and most of the post on here are a sure way to getting raped sad to say.

There is not much physical difference between a small petite woman and a very young child. So encouraging a small petite woman to learn how to tear a mans throat out is not different than the film Kid ninjas.

If a big rapist guy grabs a hold of a woman, knocks her the fook out she is in deep, deep trouble. that's all there is to it.

This stuff happen in seconds. A guy pops out grabs you by the hair and puts a knife to your thought. Drags you to the bushes and knocks you out or stabs you if you make a sound.

This is a thing to be completely avoided. Not a thing to take some kick boxing classes over.

Do what they do in all the other counties in the world and have men you know and trust always around you. Don't be afraid to ask.

TA!!

Izzy.



posted on Oct, 2 2009 @ 04:29 AM
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Anyone can get raped, any time and at any place. Never let your guard down or be kind.. or else it could be you, or you, or you, or YOU!



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