If we were all judged by our past experiences, I think we'd all be ashamed, especially if society was judging us by the past instead of giving us second chances in life. We are all human, aren't we?

i gotta say that a child predator is the lowest of the low of the human race. but he went to jail and served his time. he has paid his debt to society and deserves another chance. i find any child crimes terrible but jail is supposed to me their way of being punished for their crimes. after jail they should be allowed to live a normal life. they should be closely watched but not discriminated against.

Originally posted by DevilJin
If we were all judged by our past experiences, I think we'd all be ashamed, especially if society was judging us by the past instead of giving us second chances in life. We are all human, aren't we?

He MOLESTED a child! Second chance?! Are you serious? Especially to work in a church where there may be more kids?!

Listen, a little disclosure from me here. It happened to me when I was younger. Not by a priest, but from a neighbor. I am living proof of how things like this can mess up someones life!

Jeez.

But I'm cool about it these days. I have no shame in talking about it.

But molesting a child is an awful, selfish thing to do to someone. Actually it's beyond that. It's just plain sick.

This dude should not get a "second chance" at this.

You got all kinds of nuts starting churches. If you read the article, they aren't exactly your run of the mill christian church.

I imagine they are a few more members short of being a cult.

Originally posted by impaired

Originally posted by DevilJin
If we were all judged by our past experiences, I think we'd all be ashamed, especially if society was judging us by the past instead of giving us second chances in life. We are all human, aren't we?

He MOLESTED a child! Second chance?! Are you serious? Especially to work in a church where there may be more kids?!

Listen, a little disclosure from me here. It happened to me when I was younger. Not by a priest, but from a neighbor. I am living proof of how things like this can mess up someones life!

Jeez.

But I'm cool about it these days. I have no shame in talking about it.

But molesting a child is an awful, selfish thing to do to someone. Actually it's beyond that. It's just plain sick.

This dude should not get a "second chance" at this.

You sound bitter. And the fact you said you have been molested gives valid reasons for people to suspect you are irrational in this and cannot judge at all without some biasness on your part.

You are basically saying if someone does something wrong, then tattoo their forehead with the crime. Make them a Valjean. Yes, he molested a child but if he paid for his crime, should he not be given a second chance in life? Should we not believe he has gotten better? Change his life?

Is it rational to make people out to be something they are not anymore because of an action that cannot changed? I guess you are right. Maybe you should shoot every criminal who tries to better himself. God forbid, he could contribute to society.

I will never understand people who think like you. It is the same with the whole Michael Vick thing, people making a scapegoat of him though there are many other dogmen out there. People do not look beyond what the media conditions them to look. It is not a sign of rationality or enlightenment if you can't see with fresh eyes. What is the point of punishment if you are going to chastise them repeatedly?

Guess being fair is outdated.

Originally posted by DevilJin

I will never understand people who think like you.

Probably because you haven't been molested.

Something tells me that if you had, you would feel differently about this.


Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about all of this. It's a private institution, so they should be allowed to hire whoever they want (as long as its a legal hiring, of course). However, since he very well may be in close contact with children, they should issue a public warning to members of the church about this man's past, and probably take steps to limit his interaction with younger members.

Believe me, I am all for the rehabilitation of former criminals, especially ones that served their time and paid for their crime. However, it would be folly to assume that this man is no longer graced by pedophilic thoughts.

Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by DevilJin

I will never understand people who think like you.

Probably because you haven't been molested.

Something tells me that if you had, you would feel differently about this.


Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about all of this. It's a private institution, so they should be allowed to hire whoever they want (as long as its a legal hiring, of course). However, since he very well may be in close contact with children, they should issue a public warning to members of the church about this man's past, and probably take steps to limit his interaction with younger members.

Believe me, I am all for the rehabilitation of former criminals, especially ones that served their time and paid for their crime. However, it would be folly to assume that this man is no longer graced by pedophilic thoughts.

Actually, I have a very close relative who was raped so I think I have some idea in understanding their point of view, however, you missed my point on that. My point was that people are unforgiving. My example with Michael Vick - people were calling for his death and all, even though they have not been through what those dogs went through, yet they place feelings onto Vick that are unjustified. And they do it always.

And I never stated that there should be complete trust nor did I state or mean that he would not do it again. What I meant is that people should not look and judge him for what he did, however, that which what he did should not be entirely disregarded.