I have noticed that a few people on here believe that Christ was the God of the Old Testament, that he was Yahweh, or Jehovah. Though many also
believe (rightly in my opinion) that Christ and His Father are separate individuals, it seems they are still kind of trapped in the trinity by saying
that Christ also eternally existed. I thought I'd share my beliefs, and what I have learned on the subject
Firstly as most know when you see the word LORD or GOD in capitals in most English translations, this is translated from the Hebrew word Yahweh, or
Jehovah. It is Yahweh who speaks to the prophets and Patriarchs of the Old testament. Many believe this was Christ simply because in the Bible it says
that Christ was the word of God, but he was the word of God made FLESH, it doesn't say that any word before the birth of Christ was Jesus.
First I'll tackle the Yahweh problem, by showing the meaning of the word....
3068 - Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw) : from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God:--Jehovah, the Lord. Compare 3050,
Yahweh is self-existent, meaning he wasn't made, he sustains himself and everything else, and he is eternal, meaning he has existed for eternity, and
will always exist.
Christ is the son of God, he was made by God, he didn't make himself, otherwise he would not be his firstborn son. Also Christ died for our sins, and
the Eternal cannot die. If Christ was Yahweh, and he was dead for three days and three nights who sustained existence for that period of time?
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, an the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The above quote is talking about Yahweh, and since everything that was made was made by this being, and Christ himself was made, this is not talking
about Christ, Christ is not mentioned until the 14th verse.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
Also even the new testament makes it plain that it was God the Father himself who was talking to the prophets of the old testament, and did not speak
through Christ until the days of the Apostles...
1 God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son
, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, through whom also he makes the ages;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by
himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
With that last verse, I'll show that Yahweh was not Christ, because Christ is currently sitting at the right-hand of Yahweh, proving that he isn't
David said prophetically that his lord (Christ) would one day sit at the right hand of the LORD (Yahweh).
Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD (Yahweh) said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Also it is Yahweh who says that Christ is his son...
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD (Yahweh) hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
People may say that this is God simply talking about Solomon, but it is also prophetic of Christ, and Paul points out that this very quote is Yahweh
talking to Christ....
HEBREWS 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made a high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.
The above scripture plainly states that Christ did not glorify himself, but that he was glorified by YAHWEH!....proving once again that Christ was NOT
Peter also pointed out that it was Yahweh speaking to Christ in the book of Acts...
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD (Yahweh) said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Some say that since Christ was the word of God, it was him who was speaking in the Old testament, but it was Yahweh, and I've just shown that Yahweh
is not Christ. Name any scripture you like, it says "the LORD (Yahweh) said....", and as I pointed out above, Paul said it was God the Father who
was speaking to Israel through the prophets, and it wasn't until their days (the Apostles) that God the father spoke to them through His son....
"God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his
Son" (HEBREWS 1:1-2)
People also mistakenly think that it was Christ who did the physical creating, but that is not true also, since any creating it always said to be done
by Yahweh. It was Yahweh who formed Adam from the dust of the earth, it was Yahweh who breathed the breath of life into him, it was Yahweh who told
Job he laid the foundations of the earth. I could go on but you get the picture.
People mistake scriptures talking of Christ who made the worlds etc, not understanding the word "worlds" means ages, and they concentrate on the
physical creation, not understanding exactly what it is that God is creating, and is still an on going process, his family. It is through Christ he
does this creating, because without Christ's sacrifice for our sins, he cannot dwell in us through his Holy spirit to create a right heart and mind
in us, allowing us eventually to become born sons of God, just like Christ, but I've been over the creation part of this topic a million times. I
just wanted to show why I believe that Yahweh was NOT and IS not Christ. Yahweh is God the Father.
I recommend reading Ron Weinland's book "2008-God's Final Witness" free online, chapter 7 called "the mystery of God revealed", which goes into
People will now undoubtedly say that what I have written above is incorrect simply because they disagree with Ron Weinland, even though everything I
quoted came from scripture, but that is another story
[edit on 30/9/09 by doctorex]