What Good Are The Police? - Fiona Pilkington Story, page 2
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reply posted on 1-10-2009 @ 11:51 PM by Miraj
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No offense to any british people.. but I really hope the US never becomes like them.

And I say that while knowing that in some places we are.

A common complaint I hear of the british legal system is that it protects the criminal and not the victims.


reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 08:09 AM by berenike
Originally posted by Miraj
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No offense to any british people.. but I really hope the US never becomes like them.

And I say that while knowing that in some places we are.


I think something similar when I see the stories about the private police force in that town in Montana and the worries about the forced flu jabs.

I think we're all in the same boat - just at different ends

Good luck, everybody.



reply posted on 4-10-2009 @ 12:38 PM by Miraj
reply to post by berenike



Yup.

It's a constant battle. To keep our rights we have to be vigilant.

I've come to the conclusion that throughout history, American's rights have been guaranteed rights about as long the public opinion deems it convenient.

But Britain is far more down that road than we are, and we're following behind them.


reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 05:49 AM by CRB86
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
If you brits had enjoyed the rights Americans do with our 2nd amendment this would have been averted long ago. When you lose the ability to protect yourself and your family you have no-one but the police to rely on. It's plain to see how well that arrangement worked. I feel horrible for this woman and her children. What a sad statement that yobs (what are yobs, btw?) could terrorize someone to the point of suicide. Since you got rid of guns you should have gotten rid of alcohol at the same time. At least then nobody could claim they were drunk and didnt remember what they were doing.


Whilst this is a shocking story, i feel obliged to make a few comments to avoid it becoming another "oh, the brits have been defenceless since they were disarmed" anecdote.

Fact of the matter is that there was never a gun culture here, unless you live in the countryside. A woman living on a suburban council estate in Leicestershire would never have had a gun, even before the hand-gun ban in the 90s which often gets trotted out as "the day britain put down its arms" by people who don't really know any different.

Guns were never necessary here because there are no bears or mountain lions trying to eat you, and we used to live in a very peaceful country where you didn't need to be armed because we were by and large law-abiding and polite. Only farmers had guns, and most of them still do.

However the rise of the underclass since the 80s has succeeded in taking inner-city levels of threat and violence into the suburbs, due to a grizzly combination of disaffection, poor parenting, materialism, low self-esteem and poverty.

Guns were not needed in the past, ironically when they were more available, and that is why most people didn't have them.

British society has changed though, and maybe we should begin to reconsider our position on personal defence.

Personally, i still wouldn't make guns more available. We need to have faith in the rule of law. Vigilantism is not the answer. We could start by reversing archaic and arbitrary drug laws which make police figures of resentment to teenagers. Make the policeman someone to be respected, not derided.

It would also help if these kids had better parenting. Controversial, but true.

Britain is headed down a dark path, but there's no reason to succumb to paranoia and fear just yet. My generation has a lot to answer for, but its not completely lost. Not quite.


reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 05:59 AM by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by TheLoony



Hi loon, another great thread. I am still reading, and will be back to comment

Further, but again great thread.
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