Whoopi says its not "rape-rape"

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by Aeons
Boys in an age appropriate sexual exploratory relationship is not rape.
That this isn't clear to you is disturbing.

Actually it is. In many states consensual sex between minors is not legal. In addition, these same laws apply if parental consent has not been given even if both parties has consented.

Currently many US citizens are being arrested for "Sexting" under the laws meant to protect children from being exploited in child pornography. In these cases the victim is also the perpetrator. Nice draconian system you have there.

The entire concept is quite clear to me, I assure you. What IS disturbing, is that you and many others, refuse to consider the motivation of the accuser(s) in these kinds of cases or consider that a "Pure underage girl" could have the type of personality that would all her to be manipulative, how very 70's of you.

Either you are unable or unwilling to see the logic of my earlier posts and chose to spout bible nonsense in your attempt to deride my position. In any case you have proven yourself to be entirely without logic and now beneath my contempt, and only deserving my pity.

..ex

Nope. I live in a country with a close in age exception.

Praticality trumps.

Originally posted by Aeons
Nope. I live in a country with a close in age exception.

Praticality trumps.

One has to wonder why your country would have come up with that.
Could it be the large number of people being arrested, the number of lives destroyed before that exception?

..ex

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by Aeons
Nope. I live in a country with a close in age exception.

Praticality trumps.

One has to wonder why your country would have come up with that.
Could it be the large number of people being arrested, the number of lives destroyed before that exception?

..ex

Nope.

Just makes sense. We're a deeply practical people.

So that the bad people cannot try and make the claim that rape is the same thing as two kids making out in the barn, so that they can rid themselves of those hated rape laws that are between them and the children they want for their sexual appetites. Like say they are in the USA. Where they are intentionally causing problems in an attempt to garner sympathy for scraping all laws between them and the three year old at the park that they "love."

I don't understand why kids and their boyfriends/girlfriends keep coming up in this thread when it is about a man who was 44 and a girl who was 13. It seems like certain people are completely ignoring the facts in this case and using it as an excuse to get on a soap box about something that is not entirely related.

Originally posted by AmethystSD
I don't understand why kids and their boyfriends/girlfriends keep coming up in this thread when it is about a man who was 44 and a girl who was 13. It seems like certain people are completely ignoring the facts in this case and using it as an excuse to get on a soap box about something that is not entirely related.

There is a movement that is trying to undo rape laws and the usefulness of the sex offender registry by making it useless by including consensual teenagers.

The people who don't like the registry and have power can make the registry into a joke.

The people who want the laws between them and children gone, or them and all rape, have on ongoing campaign where they use the sexual exploration of teenagers amoungst themselves as their bully pulpit to prove that teenagers don't need to be protected.

I keep hoping that the good men will step into the "father's rights" and the "men's movement" that is promoting this and take it over. Because if the good guys actually go read the stuff those guys are promoting, I know they'd be disturbed.

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*snip* what part of "There are laws for Rape" did you not understand? Statutory rape is a layer of law on TOP of the rest of the law, Statutory rape exists for appeasing the angry people who willingly had sex and then later decided they were taken advantage of OR parents who are angry that their fifteen year old is doinking a thirty year old guy.

Statutory Rape, as a law, should be repealed. We already have laws about coercion, rape, force and violent crimes. There is no reason to create some societal stigma against teens having sex with people older than teens.

Everyone is okay with Teens having sex with teens (Not saying its encouraged, only that people don't fly off the handle when it happens), but as soon as one of the parties is OLDER than the other one, it becomes a societal no no.

That is what makes me sick.

This Polanski guy? He raped a girl. He raped her because she was coerced and forced into having sex with him due to his authority over her.

I was defending Whoopi's stance on not jumping into things you "THINK" but commenting on what actually HAPPENED.



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What happened is that Goldberg once again accidentally promoted her elitist, we is special, beliefs in her outside voice.

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For you, and probably the other twelve people who didn't actually read what the hell I said, I cite my previous post on the matter.

Originally posted by FredT
*sniff sniff* I smell a pedofile here with that kind of justification :up; What are you doing? Reading out of some NAMBLA talking points booklet?

No, I'm not a Paedophile. Possibly an EPHEBOPHILE or a HEBOPHILE, but not a Pedophile... and whereas it concerns being sexually attracted, I find most teenagers to be revoltingly immature. Maybe physically attractive, but most I couldn't stand being in the same room as for extended periods of time on account of their terminal case of stupid.

Being attracted to something is DIFFERENT from deciding you're going to go out and rape someone. And I happen to know some Paedophiles, so yes, I will defend their attraction. What I won't do is defend someone who rapes anyone, because rape by definition is coerced and force-based.

From what I have heard of the Polanski case, yes he raped someone... but the situation itself smacks of something suspicious in the overall events that transpired. Whoopi was pointing out that people should talk about what HAPPENED, rather than vomit up their idiotic sensibilities about sex and thirteen year olds and have a NON-conversation.

I am defending Whoopi's right to disagree with the others on the show, because I frankly agree with her; sensationalizing is sickening, talk facts.

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And I'd argue all the men you know are incapable of forming a discerned position on a topic and let the fabricated rage of society speak for them rather than having the cojones to form their own opinion.

I am glad not to be such a person.

Originally posted by Aeons
Boys in an age appropriate sexual exploratory relationship is not rape.

That this isn't clear to you is disturbing.

The very fact that you use the term "AGE APPROPRIATE" Is symptomatic of your poisoning by societal political correctness in relationships.

A young female, in particular, has a greater chance of lifestyle sustainability with an older man than with a male her own age. Fact.

Rape, on the other hand, happens to be a crime. Also fact.

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And those that consort with Witches must also be witches?

Your post is chock full if Fail.

Originally posted by TheColdDragon

A young female, in particular, has a greater chance of lifestyle sustainability with an older man than with a male her own age. Fact.

Rape, on the other hand, happens to be a crime. Also fact.

1. lame, antiquated, old-fashioned, massively-male-dominated ideas. In reality, a young women in today's society has a greater chance of lifestyle sustainability if she realizes she is 100% capable of taking care of herself and does not rely on anyone else to do this for her.

ETA: IMO of course

2. Agree

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Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by Aeons

 

And I'd argue all the men you know are incapable of forming a discerned position on a topic and let the fabricated rage of society speak for them rather than having the cojones to form their own opinion.

I am glad not to be such a person.

Interesting, how you assume they don't.

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I'll raise your 1. with the fact that most women are not self empowered, either adults or teens. A good portion of them end up in co-dependant relationships wherein they define themselves by their boyfriend/husband rather than embrace independance and forge their own destinies.

Agree or disagree?

Originally posted by TheColdDragon

Originally posted by FredT
*sniff sniff* I smell a pedofile here with that kind of justification :up; What are you doing? Reading out of some NAMBLA talking points booklet?

No, I'm not a Paedophile. Possibly an EPHEBOPHILE or a HEBOPHILE, but not a Pedophile... and whereas it concerns being sexually attracted, I find most teenagers to be revoltingly immature. Maybe physically attractive, but most I couldn't stand being in the same room as for extended periods of time on account of their terminal case of stupid.

Being attracted to something is DIFFERENT from deciding you're going to go out and rape someone. And I happen to know some Paedophiles, so yes, I will defend their attraction. What I won't do is defend someone who rapes anyone, because rape by definition is coerced and force-based.

From what I have heard of the Polanski case, yes he raped someone... but the situation itself smacks of something suspicious in the overall events that transpired. Whoopi was pointing out that people should talk about what HAPPENED, rather than vomit up their idiotic sensibilities about sex and thirteen year olds and have a NON-conversation.

I am defending Whoopi's right to disagree with the others on the show, because I frankly agree with her; sensationalizing is sickening, talk facts.

And There It Is. You just said, you don't agree with rape but children might agree to felating you and your friends and that's just OKAY.

For those who missed it. No one had to put the words in this guys mouth. He said it all himself.

He believes in consensual sex with children. "Raping" would be forcing them. He's a LOVER. He doesn't want to FORCE.

I don't suggest taking a lollipop from this guy.

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Sorry, I am not proficient in "Nonsense". Your sentence makes less sense than Muamar Qadafi, and that's saying a lot.

Maybe more words next time make baby sound smart?

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Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by Aeons

 

Oh, I'm well aware that you're the sort of Cretin who is incapable of conceiving of someone below the age of consent actually consenting.

You have NO need of persuading me of that. It nevertheless makes you a cretin.

Fact: Your response to your daughter/niece/sister of age 13 having sex with another 13 year old is different from your response to them having sex with a 40 year old. Reason? Because the 40 year old is ALWAYS taking advantage in your mind.

Epic Fail.

Elite Speak doesn't make you less disgusting.

I'd suggest to the people who were tying their cart to this horse, cut your loses and consider being more selective on your choice of carts to tie onto.

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I don't care what you think of me, you are the kind of people I hate; so wrapped up in your own self righteous life and a belief that there is such a thing as "ABSOLUTE" Morals.

You haven't pity for people who have no control over their attractions, people born outside of what society considers to be "NORMAL".

Me? I am normal. Society agrees with my particular attractions, or else why the hundreds of websites counting down the days for the Olsen Twins? For Natalie Portman? Christina Ricci? Any number of other female stars?

Males, in general, lust after pubescent girls. Deny it all you like, maybe you're one of the rare percentage of people who have the particular attraction only to "Age Appropriate" people; that would be ABnormal, just as ABnormal as Paedophiles are.

You may be one end of the bellcurve, but I'm on neither.