Right vs. Left -- Which Side Are You On?

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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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I was a boy sprout once...made it to star.




posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Orion65

Originally posted by theuhstuf
I made my own side, it's called down.

DOWN with corruption!

[edit on 1-10-2009 by theuhstuf]


Great post.

There is no REAL right and left. It's all an illusion.


Well I would disagree. Among the citizens, there is most definitely a right and left and all the varying degrees in between. But amongst the elected officials and the political parties in power, you are right, there basically is no difference. But I can tell you with 100% certainty, amongst the voters there most certainly is a left and right. People have fundamental differences of opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that, or admitting that. Its the political parties that are BS and two sides of the same coin.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
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Well, not exactly what I meant, but it got the issue bypassed, at least.

I try my hardest not to resort to name calling, it is not easy.

I am a Boy Scout leader, so I have to lead by example, or else I am not leading, am I?



I appreciate your effort and spirit. I am sure you're a great scout leader.

Thanks.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by grover
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 

I was a boy sprout once...made it to star.


Then you should go back and be an adult leader, like I am.

I was a Webelos, for one year, my parents could not afford the uniforms.

I was then a Police Explorer as a teenager, because of homeschool, during High School (long story) and as a part of the community service requirements, I started with the library, which was way to quiet for someone like me who likes to talk, and as well I could not sit down and read the books I was supposed to be putting away, so I changed my community service to the Explorer Program.

I never did end up going to Police Academy back when I had the chance.

However, I did become an adult leader three years ago, in what to me is a great organization, which teaches about leadership, the Boy Scouts of America.

I try my hardest not to take sides there either, which is not always easy.

But, I see the bigger picture, and know where it needs to be heading.

reply to post by johnny2127
 


No problem whatsoever.

I like people who articulate their thoughts in a well thought our manner.

I do however know how to swear like a sailor, but keep it in check when necessary.


Which is why I addressed the situation the way I did.


[edit on 1-10-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by Orion65

Originally posted by theuhstuf
I made my own side, it's called down.

DOWN with corruption!

[edit on 1-10-2009 by theuhstuf]


Great post.

There is no REAL right and left. It's all an illusion.


Well I would disagree. Among the citizens, there is most definitely a right and left and all the varying degrees in between. But amongst the elected officials and the political parties in power, you are right, there basically is no difference. But I can tell you with 100% certainty, amongst the voters there most certainly is a left and right. People have fundamental differences of opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that, or admitting that. Its the political parties that are BS and two sides of the same coin.


I don't disagree with your statement, but it is unfortunate that more people aren't aware that TPTB have used the right vs left scenario to divide the country. I wish more people were moderate, extremism is never healthy. The citizens of this country should be more concerned with right vs wrong morally and ethically and how to work together to bring our nation back to good rather than what specific political party to side with.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by johnny2127
 


No problem whatsoever.

I like people who articulate their thoughts in a well thought our manner.

I do however know how to swear like a sailor, but keep it in check when necessary.


Which is why I addressed the situation the way I did.


[edit on 1-10-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]


lol, yes I know how to swear as well. I just don't feel that insults and hatred have a place in political debate. I don't mind if someone disagrees. Grover and I don't agree on too much, but we respect each other's opinions.

When everyone knows why they believe what they do and can articulate it, and if they disagree they can just say "Well we don't agree but I respect your opinion", that is great. Unfortunately that is not how many people in the world handle things. They always view it as 'us versus them' and view the political parties like they are sports teams. Root for one and support everything they do, and condemn everything the other team says or does. It is quite absurd where political dialog has gotten to these days.....



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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In an anti-climactic moment, all I can think of to go here is the unforgettable words of one man, no matter your opinion of him, or what went down, those words will never ring more true.


Rodney King :

Can't we all just get along?







[edit on 1-10-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by Orion65

Originally posted by johnny2127

Well I would disagree. Among the citizens, there is most definitely a right and left and all the varying degrees in between. But amongst the elected officials and the political parties in power, you are right, there basically is no difference. But I can tell you with 100% certainty, amongst the voters there most certainly is a left and right. People have fundamental differences of opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that, or admitting that. Its the political parties that are BS and two sides of the same coin.


I don't disagree with your statement, but it is unfortunate that more people aren't aware that TPTB have used the right vs left scenario to divide the country. I wish more people were moderate, extremism is never healthy. The citizens of this country should be more concerned with right vs wrong morally and ethically and how to work together to bring our nation back to good rather than what specific political party to side with.


Well to some extent we agree, but I think I may break it down a bit further than you do. I think that when it comes to political and policy debate, people should seek to communicate in a moderate way. Fine common ground and build on that commonality. However, there is no logical reason for people views to actually have to be moderate. Moderate in all issues just means you have no true political convictions. Sometimes you ahve to stand for what you believe in, and some of those views won't be moderate.

Moderate in personal opinions equates to a 'don't rock the boat' mentality, which I do not think is healthy. Sometimes, such as now, the boat needs to be rocked. To be productive and move forward between dissenting opinions, conversation and debate needs to be moderate in tone. In that, I don't mean that you don't say what you mean, but more that you listen and respect the opinions of all, and try to find the common ground.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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I meant moderate more in regards to people having the ability to see both sides, to take it into consideration, even if they don't agree with it. Many people are incapable of seeing both sides of a debate. They just want to "pick a side" more or less blindly. Sometimes this stems from being raised in a family that has a strong stance on what party they belong to. They don't teach their kids to look for themselves into the pros and cons of what each party stands for, thereby promoting independent thought process - they just teach their kids to believe what they believe. I have no issue with strong opinions, as a matter of fact I'm a moderate/liberal and I have them myself.


But again, I think people get wrapped up too much into right vs. left instead of right vs. wrong. And both parties have been capable of a lot of wrongdoing over the years, which is why our country is in the state it is today. How will that be fixed? Certainly not by a strong division in the ranks.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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I 110% agree with this post of yours. Good work!

Did you take this test?

Political Compass Test

Here is my result:





[edit on 1-10-2009 by johnny2127]



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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I just took it, here's mine:

www.politicalcompass.org...

I guess I'm left of moderate?



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by Chevalerous

Fanatic Ayatollahs & Fundamentalist Bible Morons - Nuke-You-Luur Raving Mad Neocon Dog Dicks & Mental Asylum Israeli Warmongers! and Senile Nancy Pelosi & the Lying EU President Clown Tony Blair and his Witch Project.



Wow, your hate and insults continue. Now any Christians are 'Fundamentalist Bible Morons, Israeli's belong in a mental asylum and are warmongers, Pelosi is senile (I don't like her, but you trivialize a real medical issue many have had to endure from their loved ones), Tony Blair is a liar....

Why do you always have to speak with such hate and bile? Why always insulting?



Are you an licenced expert on twisting words? or is it just a hobby?

Now you are interfering with my artistic expressions and are bashing my modern 2100 century sub-culture poems :shk: you really know how to hurt human feelings!

And now you are twisting my words to say (Your words)


"Now any Christians are Fundamentalists Bible morons"


When I clearly wrote "Fundamentalists Bible Morons"

So YOU are now for every one to see implying that I said that ANY Christian are Fundamentalists?

Did I do that? NO! I said "Fundamentalists Bible Morons" and maybe I meant?:

Extreme Christian Fundamentalists who are ruled only by a book that was invented for political reasons and population control.

And I furthermore used the as the versus against Fanatic Ayatollahs on the other side of that spectrum - Christianity vs Islam

And since I am myself a Christian, I would also be by your twisting of words and defintion be a Fundamentalist since you were implying this by saying: "any Christian" which I never said

Then you said that I said - with your false insinuation and wordtwisting:



Israeli's belong in a mental asylum and are warmongers


And I never said that, but you twisted my words again as usual

I said: Mental Asylum Israeli Warmongers

Could by my own artistic freedom mean: Mentally ill Israeli warmongers

As in certain hawks in the Isreaeli Goverment who are hell bent on war instead of peace - therefore they are by my artistic freedoms and my interpretation of the human psychic - mentally ill

And that is very different from calling all Israelis, warmongers like your false innuendo did with my artististic poem & writings.

Another great example of the sick game of twisting my words for your agenda!

Then you are continuing in the same style by saying:



Pelosi is senile


When I clearly said:

"Senile Nancy Pelosi"

And now I actually see that I forgot to put a ? after that in my Artistic Prose and master poem - I thank you for that, It would had look very silly without it as it could be taken out of context by non-artistic people like yourself - I'll make an edit as soon as I can.


"Senile Nancy Pelosi?"

Which could mean by all artistic rules and freedoms:

I am here asking the question; is Nancy Pelosi Senile?

Which by my artistic freedoms also could mean:

And as a very important and artistic interpretation of the situation of our Governments of today - and the crazy societies we are living in - we have to ask ourselves - are our politicians senile? because they surely act like seniles.

You said:



Tony Blair is a liar....


And whaddayouknow! here I can not do anything else than to agree with you! - YES he's a terrible liar! he took Britain to War in a foreign land and dropped bombs on innocent women & children - a terrible man.

Blair went to war and killed small children and it was all based on a lie from a corrupted and very evil American President.

And Blair lied to the whole world about the reason for going to war, with the horrible consequences that many innocent children and women was killed or lost many of their body parts.

If I would use my artistic freedoms I would say that he is a lying clown!

But I'm very happy that we agree upon that Tony Blair is a liar!

Very interesting indeed! - but I'm still very sad that you are hurting my feeling when you are bashing my poem! with so much hate!


This is almost like the Left vs Right discussion but now instead it is

ARTIST vs ART-CONSUMER

And the art-consumers are never satisfied with the artists work!

It is very sad to see all this artist bashíng! :shk:

I really don't understand this at all?

Even artists writing modern poems have feelings you know?


B'shalom!


[edit on 1-10-2009 by Chevalerous]



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
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Ignoring it would be better, would it not?


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Chevalerous, while I can see your point, is name calling necessary?

 




Trying to ignore. Just found the button on the left of his posts. Just clicked it.

I just have been going back and forth with this person asking them to tone down the name calling. I keep asking to debate, not argue. But this person seems incapable. I don't mind that they don't agree with me. I just have grown very tired of the constant insults. But alas this person is ignored now, so I won't need to read it anymore.


I have never read so much ignorant garbage and blatant lies in my whole life - this person is something else - maybe it is from all the problem of having bad reading comprehension?

I really don't know? - but it's soo sad to see people behaving like this!

All the people can go back and read your posts in the other threads where you're spreading lies & false propaganda that "Hitler was a Socialist and to the far far Left" and see how you are twisting people's words and all the false insinuations and word-twisting and name calling YOU bestow upon people!

And BTW! Hitler was a Authoritarian Right-Wing Fascist - National Socialism is the Antithesis of Marxist Socialism & Communism!

And not like you falsely are spreading propaganda:

"Hitler was a Socialist and Far Far Left" (your words and propaganda)

Every sane person in the world know this isn't true!


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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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I'm a Conservative,a far right wing Conservative.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Orion65
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I just took it, here's mine:

www.politicalcompass.org...

I guess I'm left of moderate?


Well this is showing not just the left or right, but also if you skew towards big powerful govt (authoritarian) or small govt (libertarian). So I wouldn't view you as left. But more progressive libertarian, much like grover but not quite to his extent. That seems pretty moderate in many regards to me.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by BigDaveJr
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I'm a Conservative,a far right wing Conservative.


Big Dave, you should take this test and see what it says. Post a link to the results:

Political Compass Test



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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Yeah I am a couple lines in from the left and up from the bottom....a little further in either direction and I would drop off the chart.


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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by grover
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Yeah I am a couple lines in from the left and up from the bottom....a little further in either direction and I would drop off the chart.


[edit on 1-10-2009 by grover]


This also means that you are more anti-govt than I am. How ironic is that? LOL. I aspire to your level of libertarianism!



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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Like I said at the beginning of the thread that I am in favor of a small, strong, effective government but I understand that it is not the programs that need to be cut but the bureaucracy administering them.


[edit on 1-10-2009 by grover]



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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My score for Economic Left/Right 1.88

My Score for Social Liberatarian/Authoritarian was 3.33


I was a few lines above the middle. I'm suprised that GW Bush was farther over than Me.



[edit on 1-10-2009 by BigDaveJr]





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