Originally posted by Orion65

Originally posted by johnny2127

Well I would disagree. Among the citizens, there is most definitely a right and left and all the varying degrees in between. But amongst the elected officials and the political parties in power, you are right, there basically is no difference. But I can tell you with 100% certainty, amongst the voters there most certainly is a left and right. People have fundamental differences of opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that, or admitting that. Its the political parties that are BS and two sides of the same coin.

I don't disagree with your statement, but it is unfortunate that more people aren't aware that TPTB have used the right vs left scenario to divide the country. I wish more people were moderate, extremism is never healthy. The citizens of this country should be more concerned with right vs wrong morally and ethically and how to work together to bring our nation back to good rather than what specific political party to side with.

Well to some extent we agree, but I think I may break it down a bit further than you do. I think that when it comes to political and policy debate, people should seek to communicate in a moderate way. Fine common ground and build on that commonality. However, there is no logical reason for people views to actually have to be moderate. Moderate in all issues just means you have no true political convictions. Sometimes you ahve to stand for what you believe in, and some of those views won't be moderate.

Moderate in personal opinions equates to a 'don't rock the boat' mentality, which I do not think is healthy. Sometimes, such as now, the boat needs to be rocked. To be productive and move forward between dissenting opinions, conversation and debate needs to be moderate in tone. In that, I don't mean that you don't say what you mean, but more that you listen and respect the opinions of all, and try to find the common ground.

Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by Chevalerous

Fanatic Ayatollahs & Fundamentalist Bible Morons - Nuke-You-Luur Raving Mad Neocon Dog Dicks & Mental Asylum Israeli Warmongers! and Senile Nancy Pelosi & the Lying EU President Clown Tony Blair and his Witch Project.

Wow, your hate and insults continue. Now any Christians are 'Fundamentalist Bible Morons, Israeli's belong in a mental asylum and are warmongers, Pelosi is senile (I don't like her, but you trivialize a real medical issue many have had to endure from their loved ones), Tony Blair is a liar....

Why do you always have to speak with such hate and bile? Why always insulting?

Are you an licenced expert on twisting words? or is it just a hobby?

Now you are interfering with my artistic expressions and are bashing my modern 2100 century sub-culture poems you really know how to hurt human feelings!

And now you are twisting my words to say (Your words)

"Now any Christians are Fundamentalists Bible morons"

When I clearly wrote "Fundamentalists Bible Morons"

So YOU are now for every one to see implying that I said that ANY Christian are Fundamentalists?

Did I do that? NO! I said "Fundamentalists Bible Morons" and maybe I meant?:

Extreme Christian Fundamentalists who are ruled only by a book that was invented for political reasons and population control.

And I furthermore used the as the versus against Fanatic Ayatollahs on the other side of that spectrum - Christianity vs Islam

And since I am myself a Christian, I would also be by your twisting of words and defintion be a Fundamentalist since you were implying this by saying: "any Christian" which I never said

Then you said that I said - with your false insinuation and wordtwisting:

Israeli's belong in a mental asylum and are warmongers

And I never said that, but you twisted my words again as usual

I said: Mental Asylum Israeli Warmongers

Could by my own artistic freedom mean: Mentally ill Israeli warmongers

As in certain hawks in the Isreaeli Goverment who are hell bent on war instead of peace - therefore they are by my artistic freedoms and my interpretation of the human psychic - mentally ill

And that is very different from calling all Israelis, warmongers like your false innuendo did with my artististic poem & writings.

Another great example of the sick game of twisting my words for your agenda!

Then you are continuing in the same style by saying:

Pelosi is senile

When I clearly said:

"Senile Nancy Pelosi"

And now I actually see that I forgot to put a ? after that in my Artistic Prose and master poem - I thank you for that, It would had look very silly without it as it could be taken out of context by non-artistic people like yourself - I'll make an edit as soon as I can.

"Senile Nancy Pelosi?"

Which could mean by all artistic rules and freedoms:

I am here asking the question; is Nancy Pelosi Senile?

Which by my artistic freedoms also could mean:

And as a very important and artistic interpretation of the situation of our Governments of today - and the crazy societies we are living in - we have to ask ourselves - are our politicians senile? because they surely act like seniles.

You said:

Tony Blair is a liar....

And whaddayouknow! here I can not do anything else than to agree with you! - YES he's a terrible liar! he took Britain to War in a foreign land and dropped bombs on innocent women & children - a terrible man.

Blair went to war and killed small children and it was all based on a lie from a corrupted and very evil American President.

And Blair lied to the whole world about the reason for going to war, with the horrible consequences that many innocent children and women was killed or lost many of their body parts.

If I would use my artistic freedoms I would say that he is a lying clown!

But I'm very happy that we agree upon that Tony Blair is a liar!

Very interesting indeed! - but I'm still very sad that you are hurting my feeling when you are bashing my poem! with so much hate!

This is almost like the Left vs Right discussion but now instead it is

ARTIST vs ART-CONSUMER

And the art-consumers are never satisfied with the artists work!

It is very sad to see all this artist bashíng!

I really don't understand this at all?

Even artists writing modern poems have feelings you know?

B'shalom!


[edit on 1-10-2009 by Chevalerous]