Right vs. Left -- Which Side Are You On? , page 2

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reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 12:31 PM by johnny2127

I would say I am a conservative but no longer part of this version of the Republican party. I would say I am a Ronald Reagan Republican, but not the faux version of that many Republicans claim to be.

I just think govt is too big, too intrusive in people's private lives, and have enslaved generations with debt.

I am very moderate on social issues, but very conservative when it comes to the size, scope and power of govt.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 12:31 PM by mattifikation

So finally the truth comes out about you, grover. You're here to keep us divided. Are you one of those CIA plants we keep hearing about?

Folks, this thread can do NOTHING except further the left/right divide by demanding that people categorize themselves into one out of only two simple, easily controlled sides. Grover is asking the people of ATS, the people of America, and the people of the world to take sides against each other.

He should be ashamed. I urge you all not to buy into this sort of divisive, mindless crap. The world is not black and white, nor is it "blue" and "red."

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 12:42 PM by ninecrimes

I'm just an American who wishes to see his nation grow & prosper.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 12:54 PM by grover

reply to post by mattifikation

Need I reiterate this point:

Part of this thread...that is if I get a lot of responses...is that when we each look calmly and clearly at what we each actually believe politically that there is more that unites us than divides us.

CIA plant my ample ass. Give me a break....what I want to see are specifics like the ones I gave...if each did that I am certain you would see far more in common than we commonly assume to be the case.

Which in actuality is an argument against the so called left/right divide.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:03 PM by ninecrimes

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by mattifikation

Need I reiterate this point:

Part of this thread...that is if I get a lot of responses...is that when we each look calmly and clearly at what we each actually believe politically that there is more that unites us than divides us.

CIA plant my ample ass. Give me a break....what I want to see are specifics like the ones I gave...if each did that I am certain you would see far more in common than we commonly assume to be the case.

Which in actuality is an argument against the so called left/right divide.

OK, since you have taken it to the next level (being childish with the "my ample ass" remark) I will be glad to share my opinion, as it opposes your own:

This thread is GARBAGE. Everything I have read from you, this week, has been nothing but partisan psycho babble.

Yesterday you were going on about the "vast right conspiracy" and now you are trying to get us all to tell you which "side" we're on?

Grow up! This is not what this site is for. This website is supposed to be about denying ignorance, together, and helping one another understand the real world for what it is. 90%+ of the real ATS members (CIA plants excluded) agree with me in the sense that partisan politics exists for ONE reason- to divide the sheep into more manageable herds.

Well- if your mission here was to post Alternative Breaking News- you fail miserably. This is not breaking news, nor is it even remotely alternative.

If your mission was to come on here and show us all how utterly moronic & hypocritical you are- I tip my hat to your success.

You should be ashamed of yourself. You are not helping anyone but those who this website was built to expose- the corrupt.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:07 PM by centurion1211

Call me a "constitutionalist".

If that document does not give a government entity a specific power, then they don't get to have it.

And no, I do not subscribe to the view that the constitution is a "living document", which is liberal-speak for ignoring the constitution when it gets in the way of their agenda.

It is what it is and says what is says - especially the 10th amendment.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:14 PM by uaocteaou

I lean left on social issues, but right on fiscal issues.

I know some of the less intelligent members will make assumptions based on an avatar, which is why I have it there in the first place.

I also don't think that the definitions given in the OP apply as they may have in the past, and because of the intensely complex subjects involved, such as corporate interference, I doubt that we can be either one or the other anymore.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:17 PM by SpartanKingLeonidas

reply to post by grover

I am on neither side, neither the left, nor the right.

When you are only given two options, you are falsely mislead into a dichotomy, that those are the only two choices available, and are therefore only being pushed into a set of bounds where you really have no choice at all.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

It works by example :

Misdirection of Politicians :

Is it in the left-hand, or the right-hand?

Are you a patriot, or a traitor?

Are you an American, or a foreigner?

Are you a Catholic, or a Protestant?

Are you a law-abiding citizen, or a criminal?

Are you a Republican, or a Democrat?

You, by only taking, or knowing only of the two choices, can easily be mislead by those in power.

Two last examples :

Political Rhetoric :

It is better the Devil we know, than the Devil we don't know.

The lesser of two evils...

Do you see how easily it is displayed?

Now, you can believe me, or not believe me...

...or you can figure it out yourself...

[edit on 30-9-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:19 PM by johnny2127

Originally posted by mattifikation
So finally the truth comes out about you, grover. You're here to keep us divided. Are you one of those CIA plants we keep hearing about?

Folks, this thread can do NOTHING except further the left/right divide by demanding that people categorize themselves into one out of only two simple, easily controlled sides. Grover is asking the people of ATS, the people of America, and the people of the world to take sides against each other.

He should be ashamed. I urge you all not to buy into this sort of divisive, mindless crap. The world is not black and white, nor is it "blue" and "red."

This comment was so absurd I almost think it must be sarcasm. But I cannot detect any sarcasm in the tone of the writing.

There is nothing wrong with those that are willing to discuss what their beliefs are. What you end up finding out, is that regardless of what label you put on yourself, when you discuss what you actually believe, most people are very similar. Grover was trying to bring people together, not divide them.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:20 PM by CRB86

I was going to type out a long reply, but two words sum my views up.

Democratic Socialist, like George Orwell.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:21 PM by ninecrimes

reply to post by johnny2127

The title of the post asks if we are "left" or "right".

Last time I checked, splitting two groups into two different labels is called "division".

Am I wrong?

Also, I'd like to know how this post is breaking news. Or alternative news.

Edit- the title is worse than I thought! It's "Left Vs. Right". Oh, my no, that isn't division at all!! I can totally see how this both breaking news and meant to unite us all as Americans!

[edit on 30-9-2009 by ninecrimes]

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:23 PM by grover

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

I know it is a spectrum....and unwarranted personal attacks not withstanding (not from you) I repeat the whole idea was to highlight the fact that if we put that divide aside and compare views we have far more in common than what divides us...and that is an educational, not divide and conquer idea.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by grover]

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:24 PM by Copernicus

Im independent, and so should you be.

The only reason I think people get interested is because they want to make a difference. Its so ironic the only way to make a difference is to be outside the system.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by Copernicus]

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:25 PM by centurion1211

Originally posted by uaocteaou
I lean left on social issues, but right on fiscal issues.

I've read many of your posts and this is not even close to being accurate.

I know some of the less intelligent members will make assumptions based on an avatar, which is why I have it there in the first place.

If you are referring to me, going directly to personal insults can indicate a rather shallow grasp of the subject at hand - and a T&C violation.

I also don't think that the definitions given in the OP apply as they may have in the past, and because of the intensely complex subjects involved, such as corporate interference, I doubt that we can be either one or the other anymore.

If you had also included government interference along with corporate interference I could have found something to agree with you on ...

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:30 PM by centurion1211

Anyone remember the Thomas Jefferson quote:

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have".

Everyone really needs to think about this, IMO ...

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:31 PM by johnny2127

Originally posted by ninecrimes
reply to post by johnny2127

The title of the post asks if we are "left" or "right".

Last time I checked, splitting two groups into two different labels is called "division".

Am I wrong?

Also, I'd like to know how this post is breaking news. Or alternative news.

Edit- the title is worse than I thought! It's "Left Vs. Right". Oh, my no, that isn't division at all!! I can totally see how this both breaking news and meant to unite us all as Americans!

[edit on 30-9-2009 by ninecrimes]

Typically people read more than the title. Grover clearly states that this is so people can calm down and talk rationally. Things are contentious enough without you making it more so for no reason, especially when the OP had the opposite intention.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:32 PM by daddyroo45

Originally posted by centurion1211
Call me a "constitutionalist".

If that document does not give a government entity a specific power, then they don't get to have it.

And no, I do not subscribe to the view that the constitution is a "living document", which is liberal-speak for ignoring the constitution when it gets in the way of their agenda.

It is what it is and says what is says - especially the 10th amendment.

I agree with your statement. I also consider myself a Constitutionalist. I believe the Federal Government was designed to serve the State Governments,and not intrude itself into every minute detail of our lives.
I believe that a person should be able to acheive as their abilities allow without government manipulation toward either end.
I believe that our enumberated rights are of paramount importance,as well as those rights that havn't been recognized yet.
And lastly,no one less than the Creator should be able to take from some to distribute to others,without choice.

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:34 PM by johnny2127

Originally posted by centurion1211
Anyone remember the Thomas Jefferson quote:

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have".

Everyone really needs to think about this, IMO ...

Exactly!!!

I'll add one more for you from George Washington:

Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master.

George Washington

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:37 PM by Sarkazmon

Group think is the bane of our existence.

Defining yourself as "either or" is the stupidest thing you could do.

As for a working definition of each side, my signature says it all.

edit:

for visitors who don't see signatures:

The Right Wing = Individuals who see logic in electing people who don't believe in government, into government.
The Left Wing = Individuals who see logic in building a better society by having government do it for them.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by Sarkazmon]

reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:38 PM by ninecrimes

Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by ninecrimes
reply to post by johnny2127

The title of the post asks if we are "left" or "right".

Last time I checked, splitting two groups into two different labels is called "division".

Am I wrong?

Also, I'd like to know how this post is breaking news. Or alternative news.

Edit- the title is worse than I thought! It's "Left Vs. Right". Oh, my no, that isn't division at all!! I can totally see how this both breaking news and meant to unite us all as Americans!

[edit on 30-9-2009 by ninecrimes]

Typically people read more than the title. Grover clearly states that this is so people can calm down and talk rationally. Things are contentious enough without you making it more so for no reason, especially when the OP had the opposite intention.

I'm sorry but I'm under the firm belief that "left" and "right" are synonymous to "us" and "them".

United we stand, divided we fall.

Funny little saying, isn't it?

Also, I've yet to receive an answer for my most burning question:

How is this alternative breaking news?

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