Originally posted by tempesillest
haha for christian viewers only. take your religious crap elsewhere, here on ATS we use our brains to think for ourselves, we are not told how to
think (like a religion).
This type of promotion of self thinking is often called 'Gnosticism" or the "religion" of reason and logic. It is not new and has its origins in
paganism. Many of the pagan religions and nations were heavily steeped in gnosticism, reason, and logic. Gnosticism is also the religion of the body
politic. It is also what is being taught in our public schools and colleges.
When you have to stoop to the use of the word "crap" to make a point to denigrate someone else's position...it shows that you can easily be turned
into an emotional train wreck. That is also a gnostic wise man position in that many of their esoteric books will tell you that one of the purposes of
this belief,discipline,logic and reason system is to teach you how to properly give in or cede to your emotions or passions.
Beware of wise man philosophy.
While this looks very good and reasonable..it is not so.
Going back to the 'persecutions' (for lack of a better word, in regards to Americas Christianity) of today, you will find it more of a
rebellion against Christianity because of its widespread acceptance..where at one time Christianity was the rebellion... So in that rebellious
attitude is where you find much of where the anti- Christian rhetoric comes from... The small minded belief that none of it is true and therefore all
Christians are stupid and dumb. Which (in the arguers mind) gives room for personal insults, flagging down posts on youtube and other fledgling
attempts at ridicule...
People who know history know that the Church of Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins was never rebellious or in rebellion. This quote above looks
logical and reasonable but it is a falsehood.
The Doctrine of Christianity has always been "come out from amongst them and be ye separate..and touch not the unclean thing."
This is true both in the Olde Testament and to the Christians in the New Testament.
This is simply because the rest of the world was and still is in Rebellion to God's Word..both Old and New Testaments. Nothing new or changed here.
What astonishes me here is how many Christians and their Preachers/Pastors both miss out on this very important and telling point. Preachers/pastors
are selling their congregations short here.
The Hebrews were told because of this rebellion of the nations surrounding them ..not to do as they did. Not to be like the nations surrounding them.
For these peoples, nations, and lands were defiled.
What Christians have in the Old Testament is a record of the Hebrews in obedience and then some of them in rebellion/disobedience to the Word of God
in taking on ....often secretly and privily ...the customs and traditions...by logic and reason ..of the nations surrounding them.
The record also shows that this resulted in open warfare amongst them...destruction of their nation....captivity...etc etc.
All very logical and very reasonable in how it was done. It was however ...disobedient and in rebellion.
Christians and Hebrews..work best when in Exodus from the world and the worlds ways. They are to be in this world but not of this world.
The Christians were never rebellious..they have no instructions to be rebellious.
They are not to join in the customs and traditions of this world.
It is the world which is in rebellion and trying to seduce the Christians and Hebrews into the world's ways...by logic and
reason...gnosticism...ie...politics. To those who can think it through under discipline...politics is indeed a religion and become the religion of
rebellion while trying to paint politics as holy. Those who know the discipline of spotting counterfeits will know this automatically and
To those of you reading this under Discipline...be warned... of this logic and reason ..it is not true. It is a counterfeit. It just initially looks
good on paper. Teach yourself to spot the counterfeits...they are all around you. Be well versed in His Word..and you will spot most of the
Once you understand this concept of spotting counterfeits..learn the name of the counterfeiter...by name.
This is just a cover for a return to the olde religions and olde ways..before the Hebrews and Christianity. A return to the ways before the flood when
wise men tried to rule the world.
Be Warned of logic and reason. Also know some history. Christians and Believers are often sorely remiss in this...and often to their undoing.
Like White Wave..I too dont go into the reptilian or UFO threads. No interest in them.
As to them coming to my door...I have a system here for dealing with such. If people know me they know here to come to the back door. If you come to
the front you are selling something or I dont want to speak with you nonetheless.
There's a gay group (can't remember their name) that has a similar tactic. You get on their mailing list and when they've picked a
straight bar to "attack" they send you info via email the day of the planned attack. Then they gather en masse at the "straight" bar of choice,
dressed in drag and start drinking and making out in front of the "straights".
When the regular customers get disgusted and leave the invaders consider that some sort of victory. Sounds kind of childish and petty to me.
I have to chuckle at this though it is a serious thing done here if you know the pattern.
Is this not the very bullying that so many in this community protest? Is this tolerance or bullying and intimidation if true??
This is not intelligence or smart..if true. It is however..giving into emotions and passions and doing so publicly...expecting a default by others.
It is also textbook of politics today.
While it is childish ..is it not also the pattern to which much of politics is degenerating to day ..in default while claiming excellence and
moral/ethical high ground??
I agree with Whitewave..if unbelievers want to remain unbelievers..no problem with me. I am not going to convert them. Not going to happen.
And White Wave is correct again..we are not here to fight against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in
To do this you have to know the history and patterns of operations...to know about counterfeits and their attempts at substitution.... by subtlety.
[edit on 7-10-2009 by orangetom1999]