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Japanese atomic bomb project during WW2: Project AeroPower

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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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Whilst researching another project that's of interest to me, I stumbled across this reference to the possibility that in the midst of WW2, the Japanese government had authorized and initiated it's own version of the American "Manhattan Project".

This came as a complete surprise to me as I had always believed that America and possibly Nazi Germany were the only two countries that had any significant atomic bomb project underway.


Here's a quote from "The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist" dated Nov, 1962.



"In 1943, the Atomic Nucleus Group at the Nishina Laboratory of the Institute of Physical and Chemical Research in Tokyo was apparently ordered to attempt the making of an atomic bomb.
Under the code name Project Aeropower (Kokudoryoku Keikaku), the research was supported by the Army Aviation Bureau with grants of 308,488 yen on June21, 1944, and 1,000,000 yen on december 6 of the same year."

Source: books.google.com.au... hl=en&ei=m0fDSrTPEZGOkQXesp25BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22project%20aeropower%22&f=false



I'd be very interested if anyone has any further info on this Japanese a-bomb project.




posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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One of your first clues to follow is the famous Nazi u-boat U-234 incident.


Germany's largest U-boat, the 1,700-ton Type XB minelayer U-234 found itself at sea when the war ended and surrendered in mid-ocean to an American destroyer escort. Her original destination had been Japan. Her cargo included two complete ME-262 jet fighters (disassembled in crates, but with complete technical data) and 550 kilograms of Uranium 235 (or Uranium oxide -- sources differ), packed in lead containers. No one has ever determined -- or at least revealed -- the reason the Germans were sending the uranium to Japan.


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In 1985 Wilcox wrote a book,' "Japan's Secret War -- Japan's Race Against Time To Build Its : Own Atomic Bomb," that said the listing of 560 kilograms of uranium oxide for the "Jap Army" on U-234's manifest had elicited such concern with the War Department that it was kept from the public and subsequently became a classified document.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:35 AM
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Thanks for that ... but I was rather hoping for more direct references to the Japanese project itself.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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S&F for you, wow..that is some mind boggling information you got there.

Since the germans were sending the actual fuel..not spare parts, no diagrams or technical data. This situation to me suggests that they figured it out and where getting some fuel for a test run.

Imagine how different this world would be if they dropped an a-bomb on LA? This is cool because i never ran across any mentioning of the Japanese investing in a nuke program during WW2.

Please do, keep us informed of what you happen to run across, this is..eye catching and interesting.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by cenpuppie
S&F for you, wow..that is some mind boggling information you got there.

Since the germans were sending the actual fuel..not spare parts, no diagrams or technical data. This situation to me suggests that they figured it out and where getting some fuel for a test run.

Imagine how different this world would be if they dropped an a-bomb on LA? This is cool because i never ran across any mentioning of the Japanese investing in a nuke program during WW2.

Please do, keep us informed of what you happen to run across, this is..eye catching and interesting.


I totally agree with you regarding that scenario ... imagine if they'd started a year or two sooner in say, 1941/1942 instead of 1943. Could have resulted in a potential 3 way race to bomb completion between the US, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan ... and perhaps a radically different world today !

Apparently, the US bombed the crap out of the Nishina Laboratory during an air raid on Tokyo on April 13, 1943 ... perhaps this was a surgical strike to end Japans nuclear prospects of achieving a-bomb capability first and dropping it on a US city... similar to the Norwegian sabotage operation on The Vemork Hydroelectric Plant in 1935 to deny the Nazi atomic project access to heavy water.

[edit on 30/9/09 by tauristercus]



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by deltaalphanovember
 


Thanks for that ... but I was rather hoping for more direct references to the Japanese project itself.


They had two projects ... the Ni-Go and the F-Go:

Ni-Go Project. Its aim was to separate Uranium 235 by thermal diffusion, ignoring alternative methods such as electromagnetic separation, gaseous diffusion, and centrifugal separation. By February 1945, a small group of scientists had succeeded in producing a small amount of material in a rudimentary separator in the Riken complex - material which Riken's cyclotron indicated was not Uranium-235. The separator project came to an end two months later when the building housing it was destroyed in a fire caused by an air raid on Tokyo.


F-Go:

A rumor surfaced after the war that Japanese scientists had supposedly been planning to conduct a test of a nuclear weapon near Konan on 12 August 1945, but this could not be verified, as Konan was occupied a few days later by the Red Army before they could be fully investigated by US occupation authorities.[8]


They may actually have been successful:

According to Snell, the Japanese project staff had been captured by Russian troops at Konan only three days after they had almost completed a functioning atomic bomb. The Russians had not cooperated with Snell's investigations, but he concluded that the downing of a B-29 bomber over Konan by the Russians on 29 September 1945 was due to the Russians having captured the Japanese nuclear test site.[11]



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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:12 AM
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Thanks for that, Dan .... I'll certainly be looking in the direction indicated by your info and hopefully will help point me in other worthwhile directions for additional research.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 11:00 PM
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You may wish to refer to my amatuer website which devotes a page to this topic:

Japanese A-bomb

Two books worth referring to are

Japan's Secret War by Robert K Wilcox.

[Wilcox, Robert K. Japan's Secret War: Japan's Race Against Time to Build Its Own Atomic Bomb, Morrow Publishing, NY 1985]

Another recent book worth referring to is:

The Flight of Hog Wild, by Bill Striefer and Irek Sabitov. This book has new information unavailable to Bob when he wrote his book. I have corresponded with both of them.

Bill Streifer - Flight of Hog Wilde

Bill found a 1983 interview with the Japanese general in charge of their manhatten project, Gen Touransouke Kawashima. Only 2,000kg worth of Uranium oxide reached Japan by U-boat. From about April 1944 however Japan opened ten Uranium mines throughout Manchuria (Kwantung) and Korea (Choesul) which recovered over 500,000 tons of Uranium ores (Monzanite)

Japan had a heavy water plant in Korea and according to Prof Bunsuku Arakatsu, successfully built a nuclear reactor at Kyoto during the war. The Japanese Navy also had centrifuges built with rotor speeds of 160,000 rpm which is far superior to even the impressive 60,000 rpm of Nazi wartime centrifuges (Hellage type III-B centrifuge)

Whilst the Japanese had impressive centrifuges and a working nuclear pile as far as I can discern they appear to have developed plasma separation techniques in 1941 far in advance of anything dreamed of by the manhattan project.

A chemical engineer in the F-NZ project Otogoro Natsume, who escaped from Soviet captivity at Konan and stole a fishing boat to reach South Korea, disclosed the Japanese nuclear weapon was in fact a Fusion boosted fission bomb, using Deuteride and Lithium to generate X-ray energy. Thus it was very similar in principle to Nazi Nuclear weapon technology.

A crew member from U-234 claimed on the Sharkhunters website long after the war that a nuclear weapon was successfully test blasted in 1943. Whether this was in Germany or Japan is a little unclear.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by deltaalphanovember

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by deltaalphanovember
 


Thanks for that ... but I was rather hoping for more direct references to the Japanese project itself.


They had two projects ... the Ni-Go and the F-Go:

Ni-Go Project. Its aim was to separate Uranium 235 by thermal diffusion, ignoring alternative methods such as electromagnetic separation, gaseous diffusion, and centrifugal separation. By February 1945, a small group of scientists had succeeded in producing a small amount of material in a rudimentary separator in the Riken complex - material which Riken's cyclotron indicated was not Uranium-235. The separator project came to an end two months later when the building housing it was destroyed in a fire caused by an air raid on Tokyo.


F-Go:

A rumor surfaced after the war that Japanese scientists had supposedly been planning to conduct a test of a nuclear weapon near Konan on 12 August 1945, but this could not be verified, as Konan was occupied a few days later by the Red Army before they could be fully investigated by US occupation authorities.[8]


They may actually have been successful:

According to Snell, the Japanese project staff had been captured by Russian troops at Konan only three days after they had almost completed a functioning atomic bomb. The Russians had not cooperated with Snell's investigations, but he concluded that the downing of a B-29 bomber over Konan by the Russians on 29 September 1945 was due to the Russians having captured the Japanese nuclear test site.[11]



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Some things about the end of WWII seem too convenient. 2 days after someone finished this, or some days after someone had did this and so on.
I THINK THE PTB THAT STARTED WWII WAS VERY CONCERNED THAT EVERYONE BY 1945 HAD THEIR OWN ATOMIC WEAPON ALMOST READY BY SO THEY IMMEDIATELY HAD TO CANCEL THE WHOLE WAR BY THEIR DOUBLE TRIPLE SPIES NETWORK THAT HAD INITIALLY IN PLACE TO CONTROL THE WHOLE THEATER, ALLIES AND ENEMIES ALIKE.

Very interesting thread with revealing piece of information about the mysterious pieces of the puzzle of the WWII, but very few or almost no flags.and stars. Shows how conditioned we became..In the next WW the PTB pulling the strings would be even more obvious but nobody will probably notice it and make some note about it.
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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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I THINK THE PTB THAT STARTED WWII WAS VERY CONCERNED THAT EVERYONE BY 1945 HAD THEIR OWN ATOMIC WEAPON ALMOST READY BY SO THEY IMMEDIATELY HAD TO CANCEL THE WHOLE WAR BY THEIR DOUBLE TRIPLE SPIES NETWORK THAT HAD INITIALLY IN PLACE TO CONTROL THE WHOLE THEATER, ALLIES AND ENEMIES ALIKE.


The war for japan ended because Stalin suddenly had about 60 divisions of battle hardened troops to spare with nothing better to do except catch trains east for an attack on manchuria and korea. Japan incidentally was not persuaded to surrender by Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which gave Truman quite a nasty shock.

Roosevelt had been shipping Uranium and various nuclear material via Persia and Vladivostok to assist Russia obtaining their own nuclear project. This was done in defiance of Churchill's wishes.

Russia captured nuclear technologies from Germany and the laboratory of Japan's 8th Imperial Army Laboratory at Konan (Hungnam)


You are rtight that everybody had the technology by the end of WW2 except maybe China, but there was no conspiracy. Just that the war ran it's course.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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Well maybe it was only that "the war had run its course" as you say but definately the after war alliances and the general course of the countries that had nuclear secrets by the end of the war was probably influenced by how much advanced they became in terms of research for Atomic weapons. Wasn't logical to see both major powers of the axis Germany and Japan evolve to two industrial superpowers. I guess everyone treated them nice afterwards because the allies were probably afraid of possible runaway scientists and secret weapons research that could exist in these two hyper industrialized nations.
We will never learn the full story though.
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Cool site btw.

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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by spacebot
Well maybe it was only that "the war had run its course" as you say but definately the after war alliances and the general course of the countries that had nuclear secrets by the end of the war was probably influenced by how much advanced they became in terms of research for Atomic weapons. Wasn't logical to see both major powers of the axis Germany and Japan evolve to two industrial superpowers. I guess everyone treated them nice afterwards because the allies were probably afraid of possible runaway scientists and secret weapons research that could exist in these two hyper industrialized nations.
We will never learn the full story though.
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Cool site btw.

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Oh yeah I see what you mean now. Yep for sure.

USA began talks with Nazi scientists in December1944 before the war had even finished. Dornberger and Werner von Braun went to Lisbon for talks about the terms for surrender of Nazi rocket scientists. This was disclosed in evidence given at Nuremberg.

It's widely understood that a deal was cut with the Japanese Royal Family to grant them a pardon and soft terms for Japan for handing over biological warfare secrets of Unit 743. the Japanese Royal family eventually struck a deal to disclose to the CIA the location of Yama#a's Gold, looted from various Asian nations including 1200 tonnes of french Gold evacuated in 1940 to Saigon.

The Japanese Royal family got to keep half the Gold whilst, the CIA got the other half for a secret slush fund beyond the control of Congress for Cold war espionage.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:26 AM
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Very interesting insights!


These stories paint an alternative picture of the history of WWII and definably need further exposed to inquiring minds and the unsuspecting public in general.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 03:35 AM
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I read between the cracks. When you read enough you recognise patterns and connections and they tell a story much more different from the conventional view of history.

I don't make theis stuff up ( I know you're not accusing me )

It's all out there for those who care to properly research the facts.

What really gets me is how many people who don't bother to research the evidence get so angry, jealous and possessive that their conventional view of history excludes any other interpretation.

Incidentally earlier I mentione Unit 734. That should have been Unit 731 sorry.

Regards the Japanese Royal family and deals struck after the war, Prince Takeda and Prince Mikasa (the then Emperor Horohito's younger brother) were intimately involved with Unit 731. Prince Takeda was on the staff of Unit 731 under the assumed cover name Colonel Miyata.

Prince Asaka had personally been at the rape of Nanking in 1937 and ordered the attrocities be committed. Global outrage over the rape of nanking had actually been the spark which ignited the fuse for Pearl Harbour in 1941. Akasa was pardoned by MacArthur after the war.

The looted gold of south east Asia was all shipped to the Philippines during 1942 & 1943 on a fleet of sixteen misappropriated hospital ships which never carried a single patient. These ships were never fired on by Allied submarines because of their markings.

Whilst after the war General Yamash*ita was blamed for hiding the gold in mines tunnels caves and even deliberate shipwrecks along the coast, the gold was actually hidden under the personal direction of Prince Yashuito Chichubu who escaped from the fall of the Philippines by submarine.

Chichibu next turned up masquerading in Korea as Kempetai Captain Wakabayashi. As wakabayashi he told how he supervised sealing the mines around Konan which contained nuclear laboratories concealed in the mines above Konan. Wakabayashi boasted that the personnel were encouraged to get drunk whilst the mine entrances were dynamited. This was the same sadisatic trade mark of how Chichibu sealed mines and caves where gold was hidden in the Philippines, entombing workers and soldiers together.

The Soviets however were well aware of the significance of Konan, so took the city with a surprise raid by elite soviet paratroops.

Wakabayashi / Chichibu fled for his pathetic, worthless life and recounted the facts to US Army intelligence investigator David Snell. Wakabayashi claimed that seven unnamed leading Japanese scientists who helped build the bomb were captured and six of these were sent to Moscow. They were Oishi Takeo, Wakabayashi Tadashiro, Takahashi Rikizo, Sato Sei, Fukuda Koken and Tsuchida Meiro, none were physicists, but some were chemists and were under the command of Captain Hasegawa Hideo.

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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 06:26 AM
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There's some videos on Youtube of Japanese citizens with geiger counters beeping away and they are wondering where the radioactivity is coming from.

We have some high level Japanese military officers writing papers saying America caused them to attack Pearl Harbor and that it wasn't their fault. The Japanese are trying to push our troops out of their country so they don't have to spend $2 Billion supporting a few Marines. They developed 5th Generation Mitsubishi stealth fighters and some other advanced military hardware it looks like they want to use the money to make lots of military hardware.

Did the Japanese secretly since WWII continue their nuclear weapon program? They've got nuclear reactors and hence the means to slowly over the years sneak away radioactive material.

Maybe one day they will strike back at us for nuking them. Wouldn't we do the same if we were in their shoes?

Under Douglas MacArthur right after WWII it was his #1 priority to get Japanese working again...for knowing if he didn't we'd have a bloody mess with lots of irate Japanese...who even today still hate us for what we did to them.

They are only our allies because it's at gunpoint. Japanese society doesn't like having a Master. I would not be surprised if they had hundreds of nuclear weapons with plans to use them on us one day.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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From July 1941, the navies of USA, Great Britain and the Free Dutch East Indies formed a naval task force blockading oil supplies reaching Japan.

This arose from an even earlier League of Nations trade embargo against Japan protesting Japan's invasion of China and the Rape of Nanking. Japan refused to accept the decision of the League of Nations (predecessor to the United Nations) nor were they prepared to accept basic concepts such as the humane treatment of civilians.

To this day the Japanese do not accept they were responsible for Pearl Harbour because they feel affronted that the world community condemned their actions in 1937.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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On the second point Dr Yoshio Nishina attempted to restart his nuclear weapons program after Japan's surrender, but MacArthur discovered this and ordered seizure of Nishina's cyclotrons which were dumped from a ship in Suido Sound.

Currently the United States closely monitors Japanese nuclear activities and any attempt at rearmament would repudiate the treaty of San Francisco. USA would then abandon it's pledge to protect Japan as an Ally. Japan would then be open to pre-emptive nuclear strike or invasion by China. Also a state of war with Russia never officially ceased at the end of WW2.

You can be assured that Japan is so scared of the consequences that there is currently no hidden stockpile of nukes, however one could speculate that there is some top secret science project.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by cenpuppie
S&F for you, wow..that is some mind boggling information you got there.

Since the germans were sending the actual fuel..not spare parts, no diagrams or technical data. This situation to me suggests that they figured it out and where getting some fuel for a test run.

Imagine how different this world would be if they dropped an a-bomb on LA? This is cool because i never ran across any mentioning of the Japanese investing in a nuke program during WW2.

Please do, keep us informed of what you happen to run across, this is..eye catching and interesting.


The Germans sent Uranium oxide from November 1943 onwards the last shipments reaching Japan via the voyages of U-219 and U-195 which reached Djakarta in November 1944. General Kawashima stated in 1982 that only 2000 kilograms of Uranium oxide reached Japan.

The F-NZ project however did not use German Uranium. This project was directed at using Thorium bearing Monazite deposits to harvest Uranium 233. Monazite also contains smaller amounts of Uranium in association with Phosphorous

The Imperial Japanese Navy found Uranium Ores in hills above Konan, (present day Hungnam, North Korea). Ores were assayed under direction of Kyoto University’s Physicist Dr Kumura Kiichi. Ten significant sites bearing Fergussonite were located producing in excess of 500,000 tons of radioactive ores. These ores were shipped to Wonsan in Korea for refining to oxide and then to Konan for reduction to metal. The entire project was conducted on the same scale as Manhattan's Oak Ridge facility.

SOURCE: King, Byron. Article: North Korea’s Nukes: Of Nukes and Ammonium Nitrate, Feb 2005, Pub. Whiskey & Gunpowder.

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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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I came across a PDF copy of US Navy Intelligence Report dated June 15, 1945. "German Technology Transfer to Japan, a Survey" I can't cite a NARA RG number because I forgot to record it when I first found and downloaded it. A Google search should find the document.

At Page 177, Chapter 14, a Japanese POW is cited quoting his former commanding officer in the Philippines, who had just arrived in the field from the Japanese Army Academy. His officer told him Japan had acquired the design for a German nuclear weapon with a 1000 metre blast radius and that the warhead was Matchbox sized.

This is feasible according to the plasma pinch technology being developed in Germany between 1942-43. By creation of a Plasma pinch external to a small fissile mass the size of the uranium or plutonium target is irrelevant. The external plasma saturates the target with such a great neutron flux that it replicates natural critical mass.

The method uses hollow charge focused molten Lithium compressed onto a uranium target coated with Li-6 Deuteride. At the right pressure it emits a powerful Deuteron beam to irradiate the target.

The nuclear weapon described by pilot Hans Zinsser at Rugen in October 1944 also had a 1000 metre blast radius.



posted on Sep, 10 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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Interesting - please pose a copy or link to that pdf, I would love to read it.

much appreciated



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