Good topic.

For what it’s worth the ideas of some early Gnostics such as St. Paul and Jesus place your ideas into perspective.

After the first Council of Nicea the Roman rulers decided to incorporate the fledgling persecuted Christian movement into a government controlled entity and by doing that the "salt lost its flavour". Any person thought to have the truth of Christ’s and Paul's teachings was hunted down and killed.

After all the servant, Christ, suffered and died warning all that any who followed his ideas would also suffer persecution.

Why?

The kingdom described by Christ is a bottom up structure. Blessed are the meek as they will inherit the earth. (And all of its God given riches)

The first will be last and the last will be first.

Even the warfare was different. Instead of hate, killing and death to overcome Paul suggested to love those who persecute you and accuse you falsely.




Because the tools of warfare used by Jesus Christ are the Helmet of salvation (we are bought with a price...the blood of Christ), the shield of faith, the sword of the words of Christ (i.e. you are forgiven, you are healed, I will give you living water etc)... and we are to abide in faith, hope and love. (Agape)


Paul said that love, kindness, gentleness are tools of the human spirit to be used to advance the unseen kingdom.

He noted that their is NO LAW with which to crush the kingdom principles of love, peace and kindness.

For example agape is said to never fail.

Anger...which Paul was guilty of ...thwarted his effectiveness (read Acts account of Paul before the Sanhedrin) for which he then publicly apologized.

The ideas of earthly kingdoms, domains, countries are a top down structure.

The structure laid out by Jesus Christ (whoever you may say he is) is a bottom up structure.

This is the key to viewing many principles such as letting he who is least among you to be first and whoever is greatest to be humble.

The bottom up structure of Jesus Christ and the Apostles flies in the face of Rome and strikes at the very heart of the structure laid down by the powers, principalities and spiritual powers of the air of whom all creation groans and travails against as we are or were under the thumb of this structure.

St. Paul says not to be led by those who say do not touch, do not eat for the Kingdom of God has given to man all the things of the earth for his enjoyment. At the same time one is not to be given to the pleasures of the world which will enslave a man or women.



All that is in the world...the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life are not given to us by God ( or whoever whatever you perceive as the force behind the concept of goodness) but they are given to us by the powers that be.

These three principles are a means of control as are the ideas, which may seem to be in opposition to but are merely the other side of same coin that is the ideas of forbidding wine, beer, sex within a loving relationship, free movement or passage to any place on earth etc.

The realization of the power behind St. Paul’s ideas as well as Jesus Christ's ideas brought the Roman government to realize that they must incorporate and control the spiritual movement.

The apostles spread the good news as far as Viet Nam and Northern Europe...that is that man is free, and that man (man includes woman...the other man lol) can operate in a bottom up structure free of control. It marries into Buddhist traditions as well.

The conflict between these ideas still goes on within the walls of Rome, Europe, Asia, Africa and with in the structure of the America's.

Peace is the desire of every man unless he is enslaved with desire. Desire unbridled leads to violence. Violence is destuctive both to the giver and reciever. Peace heals both giver and reciever.

Be at peace.

(PS...I am in no way even close to walking in these principles in the way that Paul or Christ or Bhudda walked in them)

I just do not get that mad anymore.

I am at the point where I really don't care at all what happens.

See, I didn't build this civilization. I didn't create this world. I don't own any of you.

I could care less what you do to yourselves or each other.

I just don't care.

Go ahead, ruin everything, I don't really mind. It's your bad not mine. And since I do not care, my suffering will be very limited.

In fact, I find most of this rather enjoyable. I'm kinda glad everyone is screwed. We deserve it. Karma has it's way of balancing things out.

So thats why I don't really care enough to be angry anymore.

There are powers in the Universe greater than me, and they will see things right in the end. It's not my call anyways.

The forces of good will win so I do not care about all this BS that much anymore. Well I care, just not enough to get upset.

I am learning that not being mad about it gives me a better perspective anyways.

Learn to laugh at our mistakes rather than freak out over them.

BTW, Little alien man Yoda speaks truth. Don't get mad. It ain't worth it. Not like your the bad guy anyways.

Let the bad guys get mad. It's their downfall, not ours.

Im a bit beyond anger at this point, im not really angry just waiting to see what happens next, calmly waiting. I dont think i have been desensitized ive just had a long long time think and plan what i will do when TSHTF. I see the lies in the media all the time and it makes me laugh, i still wonder how people still buy into this crap. I always wonder what they will try to pull next.

I dont know whats going to happen in the future i just live my life one day at a time, enjoying the time i have with loved ones. If the day ever comes when government or organization ever decides my family or friends need be locked away or euthanized i promise you those they send will encounter anger and wrath on a scale they have never seen before. By my last breath i will defend those i love. On that day I believe Alfred in Batman said it best. "Some men can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. "

Until then ill just calmly watch events unfold and hope those that still sleep will awaken.

amazing and philosophically view you have there brother. It is hard to control your emotions. Its funny cause we always perceive the "TOUGH GUYS" the one's whom get angry and beat others up, shoot, kill, go threw hundreds of men killing/beating them up to do what they came to do... HEROES..we idolized them, and thought it was AMAZING...

TO GET ANGRY, is honestly the simplest emotion anyone can produce in my eyes.
ITS MUCH HARDER, to stay calm in the face of fear, death, and pain..
the real heros are those who do NOTHING when anger is trying to be provoked.

I like this thread because I have realized since OBAMA won thee has been so much hate, by supportes and opposers because thats excactly what the elite wanted.
Hate will leave to violence . violent americans go to concentration camps easy as that, we are going about it the wrong way, the way that they want us to go.

think about it, they think its too late, their agenda is in place and people who revolt are minority who will get angry and start violence and are easier to kill off because they have an excuse.

I believe we need to infaltrate from inside. and not focus so much on the infantry puppets liek OBAMA and the house because those are the ones that are suppose to make you angry and take the heat so The real GOVERMENT is safe behind doors looking at a bunch of monkeys with guns trying to shoot any one responsible but completely will fail because
they own the militaries and private securities