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(American Police Force) APF Just who are they? some answers here

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posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 01:23 AM

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
... hmm speaking of which, any idea how big this APF is anybody?

[edit on 30-9-2009 by TheCoffinman]

One report says that 80% of the jobs are supposed to go to locals, another report places the local jobs at 200. using those figures, the APF presence should number around 50.

As I've said before, those guys are Keystone Kops. They'll drop faster than bird crap in a downdraft when the shooting starts.

Everyone is looking in the wrong direction. While attention is focused on these shills, the real attack will hit us in the flank. These gents are nothing to fear at all, but everyone is focused on them, and up in arms.

Meanwhile, in the shadows, the band plays on. It's about to reach crescendo, probably in another month or 6 weeks, and no one will see it coming. They'll all be looking at these black suited peacocks.

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 02:41 AM
I googled the "(714) 460-3434" mobile# that is listed on & [click contact tab] is one of the hits.

( if you dont trust the certificate warning at this .mil site then go to it through cache view in google results.)

Listed at this site is:
IRVINE, CA  92614 (714) 460-3434

So Angelino is listed on "List of Sources Registered for SAUDI ARABIA FLO SUPPORT" on .mil site. That sounds significant? dates in the list are from a few years ago. Im not familiar with defense contracting, maybe Angelino was/is some "insignificant" vendor? it does list him as "smal business".

any thoughts?

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 11:00 AM
nenothtu i would agree with you if it wasnt for the fact that they are making it so blantantly obvious. i feel that this is a test run to see if anyone will do anything about it. so far looks like they have an open air field, per say. i have contacted everyone that i know and everyone is waiting for the final blow, if you know what i mean<
semper fi

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 02:19 PM
Scarry considering we that have been opposing the Govt. policies have been labled terriorists.

As part of our mission, APF plays a critical role in helping the U.S. government meet vital homeland security and national defense needs. Within the last 5 years the United States has been far and away our #1 client. Technologies, programs, and services performed by APF have played a very important role in U.S. military and civilian efforts to protect our homeland and combat terrorism.

Our main office is located in Washington D.C. and we service all 50 States and most Countries. Our experienced staff consists of highly experienced former law enforcement officers. We are dedicated to maintaining our well deserved professional reputation as a results oriented full-service private investigative and security agency by way of committment, diligence, unique resources, and tenacity.

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Whatthehell?
...The Texas contractors and promoters who ran the scam made off with millions before a brick was ever laid. ...

Which is usually the case! And when you get the reputation as an easy mark, word spreads and you get fooled again. Yes, we CAN get fooled again!

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 10:36 PM
One blury picture, that looks like it has another countries coat of arms on it, does not prove anything.

Sun rays are not unique to the Serbian Socialist party, or anyone else.

posted on Oct, 3 2009 @ 11:29 PM

Originally posted by TheCoffinman

some important excerpts from the article:

A sobbing spokeswoman for the secretive company occupying the Hardin jail welcomed an investigation by Montana's attorney general Friday and expressed concerns for her own safety amid rumors about her company.

Meanwhile, an attorney involved in the project cut ties with APF Friday and a second company, once named as a subcontractor, denied any involvement

Shay said APF front man Michael Hilton plans to return to Hardin for a two-day job fair beginning Oct. 12

Hardin Mayor Ron Adams said Friday that despite his reservations about the project, he would still like to see it go forward so the jail can be filled

Mafi's involvement began last month. Hilton, who claims an extensive military background and uses the title "captain," initially described Mafi as a "major" in American Police Force. He later said Mafi was the company's president - although Mafi denied the role and said he had no military or security background.

Hilton also had claimed Allied Defense Systems would provide the uniforms for guards at the jail. On Sept. 30, an attorney for the Irvine company sent a letter to Hilton threatening a lawsuit over the use of the company's name.

Edward Angelino, chief executive of Allied Defense Systems, an Irvine, Calif.-based defense contractor, said his company met with Hilton.

"We checked his background, we checked his company. He's not an adequate person to do business with," Angelino said.

When I first heard Becky "I've got ink in my blood" Shay speak, I knew they were in trouble. Even at this press conference the things she seems to think are smart ways to handle things are in fact just the opposite. She does everything wrong that a smart professional PR flack would never do.

At first I thought perhaps that APF was just using her because she was a Montana gal and they figured that would help woo the locals. Any company with the kind of backing it would take to pull off something as ambitious as this project (or scam) would ordinarily hire a real Public Relations firm to handle things....

.... then it hit me. This tends to show even more that APF isn't a real company and Capt. Michael is probably just a con man who's now in over his head.

I look forward to seeing him roll back into town. That will be interesting in light of what the Montana AG is now doing.

What a movie this could make.

[edit on 3-10-2009 by Whatthehell?]

posted on Oct, 4 2009 @ 06:52 AM
reply to post by tatersalad

i starred your post. i also believe this is a test run. look at katrina. this is a strategic move. test the waters on unsuspecting, un-informative, greedy, complacent, us citizens who have been socially conditioned............see what will happen.


posted on Oct, 4 2009 @ 08:44 AM
reply to post by Whatthehell?

In my prior post, I forgot to give you a
for greatly helping to Deny Ignorance.

I think the movie has already been made...The Music Man in 1962.

Maybe a redux titled, The American Policeman. Only this time I doubt a miracle could save him.

posted on Oct, 4 2009 @ 10:27 PM

Originally posted by warrenb
Lets check the first address:

1202 East 17th Street Suite 200
Santa Ana, CA 92701

Neato. I happen to live 5 minutes from Santa Ana. I think now I'm gonna go visit them in a couple of days and see if they need any help motivating workers.

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 12:40 AM
I do not like to hear of yhis type of outfit on our soil. I do not think this is a CIA bunch. I withhold judgement of them at this time, but my gut feeling of them is not good. We will just have to see the outcome and that will not be that long.

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:35 AM
So their site is back up. Sorry if this isn't new new I read through page one of the comments and part of page two. This story actually peaked my interest enough to make me want to register for this site.

I'm currently going to school for network administration and security and this is what I've dug up.

Their DNS address (aka resolves to the ip address which is an Arizona IP which is in the 480 area code. This area is east of phoenix.

Running a traceroute brings me the following information.

TraceRoute to []
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 35 45 41 -
2 14 13 10
3 21 37 28
4 39 46 53
5 42 70 55
6 40 43 39
7 42 31 33
8 Timed out Timed out Timed out -
9 52 39 53
10 41 36 31
11 33 34 49
12 38 34 33
13 32 46 66
14 32 40 61

Trace complete

Which verifies that their internet provider is based in phoenix so it's safe to assume their HQ is located near phoenix, or at least their servers are.

Now, I know this isn't much to go off of currently but, soon, I will have a nice plethora of knowledge for you. Apparently their servers have a severe security flaw, which may allow access to their database. I won't be doing this personally but A friend of mine has agreed to doing it for me. I will return here with results as soon as I have some

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 08:50 AM

off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 12:02 PM
reply to post by necrotoxin

this is another dot connected. remember the "mystery prison buses" thread started by budski here which was in the arizona desert.

the busses were connected to wackenhut mentioned above and g4s owns wackenhut.

Wackenhut Services was founded by George Wackenhut in 1954 to provide prison guard services to state and federal governments. Mr. Wackenhut was reported to be something of a brawler himself, having once earned distinction beating up his business partner in a fist fight. Now owned by the Danish corporation G4S, Wackenhut Services has a sinister reputation for hiring thugs. It has been said that it’s hard to tell which is more dangerous, the prisoners or the guards.

that sweet little bit of serious info linking apf to the state of arizona earned you a star.

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 12:25 PM

In response to growing criticism and suspicion, American Police Force has changed its name, changed its logo and altered several areas of its website in an attempt to “diffuse tension” surrounding the private paramilitary organization that wants to take over law enforcement duties while bossing a $27 million dollar detention facility in Hardin, Montana.

Following threats of legal action on behalf of the government of Serbia against APF for using a near copy of the Serbian Coat of Arms, on Sunday the logo was changed although it still remains a double-headed eagle, which is widely accepted as signifying imperial power, not something many would be comfortable with for an organization that wants to provide law enforcement.

In addition, the company has changed its name from American Police Force to American Private Police Force.

Following rumors of threats from Blackwater, the page now reads, “Our extensive tactical firearms training facility (ETA Spring 2010) will be capable of providing a wide range of instruction and training for all types of law enforcement organizations.”

Two Rivers Authority board members will meet today to discuss the contract with APPF to man the $27 million dollar detention facility in Hardin. The meeting will take place at the Hardin City Hall from 3pm and is open to the public

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 01:57 PM

Originally posted by necrotoxin
Which verifies that their internet provider is based in phoenix so it's safe to assume their HQ is located near phoenix, or at least their servers are.

All this verifies is that their website is hosted from there. It does NOT mean anything else much less their HQ is based out of Pheonix.

I work for a very large IT company and we have datacenters all over the world. We have very large companies and governments that have their website, email, and numerous applications hosted out of datacenters that has nothing to do with the physical location of any of their offices.

On a personal note I host my own website and email for my personal use with a web hosting company out of Virginia yet I live in Houston.

If you are an aspiring Network Engineer, I suggest you find a teacher who will teach you about different WAN connections. Physical location is completely irrelevant.

[edit on 5-10-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 02:10 PM
Ok, well I'm getting pretty creeped out now. (I had been thinking 'just a scam'. Not so much now)

Early this AM, there was interesting stuff in the comments for this article (confirms & expands some of the stuff re Wackenhut in this thread)

Now, 8 hours later, they're playing it down.

The Billings (Montana) Gazette has *nothing* re APF (that's American PRIVATE Police Force now) on it's home page. Zero. As if no one is watching for the very next thing.

Also, the Montana With Kids blog ( put this up last night.

I would think, by now, somebody (this Michael Hilton character) would have been taken in for questioning by Montana State Police, since he *has* broken the law (impersonating a police officer) & has given the appearance of intending to do worse in some very serious ways. They're just letting it slide.
Now this story is starting to rot and the longer it sits there, the worse it stinks.

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 03:55 PM
am i the only one that is creeped out about this? does anyone have an idea what the ramifications could be if these thugs get their feet in the ground at hardin? i appreciate everyone keeping up on this post, but if we get a foreign military force in the ground quote as a private police force or detention center you might as well call the united states south america or nicaragua, owe wowwwwwwwwwww
we are just about to see first hand a police state. i am utterly speechless. guess i shall watch what i say from now on.

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 04:09 PM
reply to post by tatersalad

Well I prefer the enemy wear a clear and identifiable uniform. Their logos and their Mercedes Benz "police cars" will make them very easily identifiable.

posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 11:29 PM

The latest from the Billings Gazette.

If this *isn't* some kind of NWO/ Barky Brigade takeover, then I have a prediction (though I'm not real sure anyone in Hardin has the presence of mind to even go there)

This guy, Al Peterson, is the one to watch. *He's* not getting scammed. He's makin out like a bandit- first kickbacks from the people who built the prison and (he thought) then from Michael Whatever-his-name-really-is. "Development" agencies are almost always scams- a way for pals to enhance one another at the taxpayers expense.
You'd think people would learn, but they never do.
Heh. Guess ya *can* con a con after all.

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