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Sure, it makes sense, and they can even be from the Philippines or Mars, the fact is that they are not speaking Portuguese, so talking of translations "for the Portuguese spoken" makes no sense.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Since this clip was taken off the coast of Spain, it makes sense
to have fisherman from Portugal.
Originally posted by FireMoon
Originally posted by rickyrrr
reply to post by FireMoon
You do not need to clarify for me polar patterns, I know all that. You are describing the effects that vary the loudness and inter aural (or intermicrophone) delay aspects of perceiving a sound as coming from a given position...
I get all that.
Yes, you know what you are talking about when it comes to that... happy now?
That is not the Doppler effect.
Are you aware that the Doppler effect is used in police radar to measure the speed of cars?
Did you know that the Doppler effect is not exclusively an acoustic effect? it's not even related to the polar sensitivity of the transducer used (be it a microphone or an antenna)
And it does not depend on the plurality of transducers used. I know you're smart enough to look up Doppler radar once you get it through your head that you don't know what Doppler really is.
Do yourself a favour mate. Quit before you make a compelte idiot of yourself. The physics of psycho acoustics are so unbelievably convoluted as ot be almost impossible to qunitify on any real constant level. I know, i deal with them day in day out.
We in the recording world have been here time and time again with people like you. You tell us the science says that this is perfect, but the fact is, in the real world it isn't because there are so many variables that cannot be modeled and taken into account. many of the classic albums contain sound effects that were as a result of given set of circumstances on one day for one particular system. because of the billions of variables science has never been able to re create that effect quite the same as it appeared that one time.
Yes the science exsts, in theory to explain all curiosities that appear on recordings but the reality is this. it is , practically, impossible to model the exact circumstances a recording was made in. For one thing, you would need to recreate the exact temperature and humidity the original recording was made in.
Given that, i'd repsectfully suggest you take your physics degree and go shove it, till you actually have some real world experience of what i am talking about The truth is , if recording was anywhere near as predictable in it's outcome as you seem to think it is, I'd have made a million or two out of selling the formula for sounding, just like Jimmy Page.
Give me a band to record in a room i know using gear i know, i can do pretty much, the same job every time, with 98% of the outcome being that which i expect. Stick me with a cheap camcorder on boat in the middle of the Atlantic, not knowing what to expect, whislt i might be able to rpedict much of the outcome with some degree of certainty, but because the overall parameters are both new to me and so unbelievably complex, i doubt there is a computer programme in the world powerful enough to be able to predict every possible scenario and outcome.
Your problem, is typical of many scientists, you have all the facts and figures but are completely unable to conceptualise outside of the box, where your parameters don't have the formula to account for every possible outcome, so you just cry foul and claim it never happened. You find it's called the 8real world* a few more scientists should try it. if they did, they might not be so surprised when another product, scientifically designed, and tested in the lab and proved to be *perfect* is returned time and time again because, in the real world, it is useless..
[edit on 30-9-2009 by FireMoon]
Originally posted by FireMoon
To summarise, under normal circumstances the mics on your typical cam corder cannot, by their very nature and positioning produced a pronounced Doppler effect. However, because of the very nature of jet engines and how loud they are, plus, there are two jets in tandem, thus with the possibility of phase cancellation affects,, there is a probability, greater than zero, that the soundtrack is genuine.
Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
Eurisko2012, I support many cases here on ATS and even gave Billy Meier a chance but since I worked extensively with stock sounds I can indentify them easilly, I agree the jets appear realistic but there are problems.
Even if a directional mic is used, it still does not explain the lack of sound delay, the sound is about as instant as the jets come onto the screen.
I am an artilleryman and I have observed shells impact from the range the jets are at and sound takes several seconds to travel to the observer.
The sounds also don't appear to be peaking out like you would expect from high intensity sound, the sounds are crystal clear and clearly sound like stock sounds to me.
I have seen many jet aircraft in my life and the sound is INCONSISTANT with any jet I have seen, and I have seen/heard most F-series fighters and some B-series bombers.
The sounds are likely from www.findsounds.com