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UFO in Spain

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posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:30 PM
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Without a high resolution version is really hard to flag this as either real or fake.

If it's fake it's certainly far from a cheap production (hoax) and the people in charge of the effects were good. Doing 3D tracking on the ocean without a single stable tracking point isn't that easy to achieve and most often yield bad results. The delay on the splash is normal and it's what would happen if a large object had hit the water at that speed. Not too sure about the lighting on the splash though.

But since something like this would put Terra on the spotlight one may argue that they are the ones behind this.

If they have nothing to fear they would post the original video file for further analysis. Having the original source file for this video would make it really easy to wither prove or disprove it's veracity.




posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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We all know everything is fake in this video!

Now, can the debunkers please produce and post here something similar?




posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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This is not as easy as you think. First AE wouldn't cut here since it's merely a compositing application and just to put that splash in there you would need to get a 3D tracking, and doing 3D tracking on surfaces where everything is moving (i.e: water/ocean) is far from easy for most people.

Deriving a 2D track solution from that can be possible but probably wouldn't yield acceptable results.

Even productions like ABC's LOST didn't got that right and I bet that they had way more budget than a 2 minutes possible hoax such as this.

It can indeed be fake, but it can also be real. Without a SD or HD version of the video in it's original form will be really hard to hammer this down for good.

For what it matters I have done my fair share of visual effects for film and television and I hate to judge stuff by low resolution YouTube videos where you have all sorts of compression, sampling, luminance and chrominance problems.

I do agree however that it looks so fantastic and so acted that makes you wonder whether or not it's real.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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My wife gave me the same, for the most part, translation. She wasn't fluent enough to call it scripted or poor theater but I will put my money on the native speaker. If he says that it's to hokey to be believed- nuff said.

I'm with the other poster who said "give it time". Every time I see the celluloid of the disks flying over Washington D.C. back in 1952 I marvel- what an announcement.

Something big is getting ready to go down on a global scale and whatever these things are we've been seeing in the sky for over a thousand years is part of it. How or why I wouldn't venture but there they are. If you've never seen anything like this it must be a real stretch to "believe".

When I was around 15 I saw something that I reported and it ended up in the local paper. The tin foil hat people came out in droves. But, over the next several months I was amazed at the number of people who saw the same thing the same night and would only admit it in private. Some in the neighborhood got a better look at the thing than I did and did they have some things to tell.

These people who claim their fifteen minutes of fame pulling the wool over peoples eyes only deserve credit for muddying the water. Like I said, something's coming our way and when it gets here it ought to be really interesting and I don't think we'll be needing youtube to see it.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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I would agree that they are unidentified flying objects, but if everyone else is saying it's alien tech or some other extraterrestrial flight, I would have to disagree. One because they seem jet like, too human if you will, and holds nothing out of the ordinary, other than the fact that the jet (because to me that's what it is.) dove into the water, which could be a multitude of things, maybe it was an accident. You would believe that extraterrestrial flight would have almost zero wind resistance and cause minimal sound when going maneuvering, but to me it caused a lot of resistance from the sound, exactly would a simple jet would do(But this is mere speculation). What the jets were doing was also very simple, and not out of the "ordinary" they posed everything domestic. I don't know why would they go through all this trouble doing all this, to me this makes no sense. One thing I'm sure of is that it's not extraterrestrial, and it is domestic.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by ROBL240
I'd say fake on the Jets and UFO, Fighters in close formation and at afterburner speed simply dont manouver in such a tight banking gradient, they fly past and then 3 seconds later they come flying back the opposite way after banking (evident on the video)..impossible structurally.

[edit on 29/9/09 by ROBL240]


Helicopters do bank this much. But I think it's fake due to the behavior of the ... apparent actors.

-rrr



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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I'm no expert either way.

But my initial "blink" feeling when first watching this was "oh come on, this isn't authentic"....

I hope the experts can show this one to be real, but I don't see it happening..

I don't think this was posted yet but this version has a zoom in of the "Ovni" at the end, maybe it could shed some light either way





posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by EyeSeeAll
If you guys can't tell this is fake, you are doomed.



There are many things that prove this to be a hoax.



2) Anything making that loud of a sound, at that sea level, going that fast, would make a sonic boom. The sound is loud, and that sound would create a sonic boom if going that fast. Also, I'm sure those jets sounds are from a stock sound archive. I'm sure anyone with good research skills could find the exact jet sounds used on the net somewhere. I know I have heard them before.

Also, when the camera turns and pans, the sound from the jets still sound static, without any 3 dimensional (stereo) type of changes in the pitch and db level. It does sound like it's moving from right to left, then left to right, however the camera is turning too and that would make small noticeable changes to the pitch.

Also, there is a total lack of the Doppler effect.




www.disclose.tv...


That has to be one of the funniest things I've read on this forum... Going that fast eh?? and exactly to within 5knots, say, how fast is it going? You have some mystic ability to determine speed with no frame of reference for size do you? The truth is you don;t have clue how fast the Jets are travelling, so your whole point is completely invalid.

You also make some huge assumptions about the mathematics of the perspective without having a single shred of evidence, vis a vie, the camera lens and its' inherent distortion and parallax effects. In other words you are making exactly the same sort of pseudo science claims skeptics accuse so many others of.

Simply throwing terms like Doppler Effect into your post, might fool a few naive people, i doubt you have a single clue as to how it actually works in relation to, what is in effect, a point source stereo microphone as it is panned with the motion of the object in frame, not a classic static X Y array as used in movies.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by Unsane
if this can be called a hoax, then no video evidence is really going to cut the biscuit. Apart from a close up, with the aliens waving out the window.

The sound and the jets seems really good, like something out of a cinema film, (I am obviously aware that it is grainy and low quality, but I mean relatively). The sound even has that 'vwooom', as it flies over head and the soundwaves are compressed.

The water splash looks real to me, the ufo really went down with force and at speed. The water rises as I would expect, but im no expert.

The helicopter is visible, when the first pair of jets go out of sight, the helicopter is a little black dot by the flag of the boat (to the right of the guys head). So it doesn't 'just appear' as someone said in a previous post.

Their actung is pretty intense too, if it's a hoax, they really dont seem to have any idea what the hell is going on...

I hope some video experts have a proper look at this one!



If the people on the video and the person running the camera were reachable for comment that would make a big difference.

-rrr



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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For those looking for a translation here it goes:

Fisherman1:
- What is that? What is that?

Fisehrman2:
- I don't know! I don't know!

Fisherman1:
- What the *bleep* is going on here?
- What the *bleep* is going on here?
#lot's of mumbling that I couldn't understand#

Helicopter:
- Leave the area!
- Leave the area immediately!
- And head towards (go back to) the port...
- where you'll receive further instructions.
- Leave the area and head towards (go back to) the port.

Fisherman?:
- But what the *bleep* was going on here?

Fisherman?:
- I don't know, but leave it for a while...
- #something I couldn't understand#

Some screaming and cut



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by FireMoon
Simply throwing terms like Doppler Effect into your post, might fool a few naive people, i doubt you have a single clue as to how it actually works in relation to, what is in effect, a point source stereo microphone as it is panned with the motion of the object in frame, not a classic static X Y array as used in movies.


The Doppler effect does not depend on the microphone used. Funny that by throwing out names of microphone arrangements you are doing the same thing you are accusing the other guy of doing. Did you just learn those from Wikipedia?

-rrr



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:03 PM
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ASSUMING it was real for a minute, with all of that helicopter and aircraft activity going on, would that government really let those people on the boat get that video off?



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by zaiger

Originally posted by JPhish
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You're right it doesn't. But, you employing them is a sign of weakness in your argument. If what you were saying was a truth, you wouldn't need to resort to logical fallacies.

The truth is a beautiful thing because it doesn't need BS or logical fallacies to prop it up.


What im saying IS truth.
I'm going to humbly suggest that you have a biased blind spot (3)



If i was talking with someone logical I would not need to resort to BS
wishful thinking (4) two wrongs make a right (5) really?

so far i have demonstrated that you have been blatantly illogical 5 times and i have not. In lieu of this; your claim that you are being logical, or that my lack of logic is impairing me from understanding you is spurious.

[edit on 9/29/2009 by JPhish]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by CosmicTraveler
The chopper is not creating any downdraft onto the water..


I think it is. did we see the same video?

-rrr



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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I believe that the ufo video is fake. To me the splash just doesn't look right. As for the F-18's making a high speed u-turn, totally possible. Refer to this youtube vid. In the video, the F-18 does a 360 turn but if you cut that in half he did a 180 in about 10 seconds. The Ufo video, they take about 10 seconds to flyby, do a 180 and reappear over the "object's" location. Granted, in the ufo video, they appeared over roughly the same point in space in 10 seconds. My guess is that the jets in the ufo video are going faster than the one in my example.



The helicopter is a Eurocopter AS 350 and can be seen here,

and

My guess is the fishing boat went into a military training area and was told to leave by the helicopter. I was in the navy (US) and stationed on an aircraft carrier. When we had to do a live fire exercise, we had to have an exclusion zone (don't remember the exact size) but it was monitored by radar and if any contacts were found, aircraft were dispatched to investigate and escort the "offender" out of the exclusion zone. The helicopter is definitly real, in my opinion, due to the rotor wash effects on the ocean. The jets could have been cgi and the ufo definitly appeared to be cgi.

[edit on 29-9-2009 by N10citY]

[edit on 29-9-2009 by N10citY]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by dudeitseddy
Fake for sure! I speak spanish and when they were pointing out the UFO they said it in a way that seemed extremely acted out. Almost sarcastic. They need better actors, though the CGI was good. It's a cool video least to say.


My feelings exactly.

The acting seems exaggerated. The way in which all the events happen in such perfect sequence seems unlikely.

As far as all the other qualities of the video, I can't comment, I think it's too compressed to tell either way.

-rrr



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by mcmauro
We all know everything is fake in this video!

Now, can the debunkers please produce and post here something similar?

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Very well put. It is so very easy for someone to sit back and take on the role of a pundit in all UFO or Extraterrestrial matters simply on the basis of saying that they are.

I simply thought that this video was extraordinary in the fact that I have not seen anything like it before today and I hope it leads to something bigger, something more concrete so people will have a true basis of saying yea or nae...




posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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I think that the heli's blades should have made more of an impact on the water below it.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by FireMoon
Simply throwing terms like Doppler Effect into your post, might fool a few naive people, i doubt you have a single clue as to how it actually works in relation to, what is in effect, a point source stereo microphone as it is panned with the motion of the object in frame, not a classic static X Y array as used in movies.


The Doppler effect does not depend on the microphone used. Funny that by throwing out names of microphone arrangements you are doing the same thing you are accusing the other guy of doing. Did you just learn those from Wikipedia?

-rrr


You saying I am lying about being a recording engineer? That's dangerous ground to tread on. Having said that, only been doing it for 30 years..Ie ive probably forgotten more in the last 30minutes than you will ever know about sound recording



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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I totally agree if this is real the government will take every possible step
to find that memory card or camera. So I don't believe that this is true.
And why do they stop filming, if Im there I would film much more maybe
the ufo will appear again but they seem to know that in advance

One more thing. The UFO takes off or dives ?



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