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reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 08:44 PM by thomas_
reply to post by Nola213


This is not as easy as you think. First AE wouldn't cut here since it's merely a compositing application and just to put that splash in there you would need to get a 3D tracking, and doing 3D tracking on surfaces where everything is moving (i.e: water/ocean) is far from easy for most people.

Deriving a 2D track solution from that can be possible but probably wouldn't yield acceptable results.

Even productions like ABC's LOST didn't got that right and I bet that they had way more budget than a 2 minutes possible hoax such as this.

It can indeed be fake, but it can also be real. Without a SD or HD version of the video in it's original form will be really hard to hammer this down for good.

For what it matters I have done my fair share of visual effects for film and television and I hate to judge stuff by low resolution YouTube videos where you have all sorts of compression, sampling, luminance and chrominance problems.

I do agree however that it looks so fantastic and so acted that makes you wonder whether or not it's real.



reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 08:44 PM by CmdrZero
reply to post by OVNIsenlaluna


My wife gave me the same, for the most part, translation. She wasn't fluent enough to call it scripted or poor theater but I will put my money on the native speaker. If he says that it's to hokey to be believed- nuff said.

I'm with the other poster who said "give it time". Every time I see the celluloid of the disks flying over Washington D.C. back in 1952 I marvel- what an announcement.

Something big is getting ready to go down on a global scale and whatever these things are we've been seeing in the sky for over a thousand years is part of it. How or why I wouldn't venture but there they are. If you've never seen anything like this it must be a real stretch to "believe".

When I was around 15 I saw something that I reported and it ended up in the local paper. The tin foil hat people came out in droves. But, over the next several months I was amazed at the number of people who saw the same thing the same night and would only admit it in private. Some in the neighborhood got a better look at the thing than I did and did they have some things to tell.

These people who claim their fifteen minutes of fame pulling the wool over peoples eyes only deserve credit for muddying the water. Like I said, something's coming our way and when it gets here it ought to be really interesting and I don't think we'll be needing youtube to see it.


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 08:49 PM by FireMoon
Originally posted by EyeSeeAll
If you guys can't tell this is fake, you are doomed.



There are many things that prove this to be a hoax.



2) Anything making that loud of a sound, at that sea level, going that fast, would make a sonic boom. The sound is loud, and that sound would create a sonic boom if going that fast. Also, I'm sure those jets sounds are from a stock sound archive. I'm sure anyone with good research skills could find the exact jet sounds used on the net somewhere. I know I have heard them before.

Also, when the camera turns and pans, the sound from the jets still sound static, without any 3 dimensional (stereo) type of changes in the pitch and db level. It does sound like it's moving from right to left, then left to right, however the camera is turning too and that would make small noticeable changes to the pitch.

Also, there is a total lack of the Doppler effect.




www.disclose.tv...


That has to be one of the funniest things I've read on this forum... Going that fast eh?? and exactly to within 5knots, say, how fast is it going? You have some mystic ability to determine speed with no frame of reference for size do you? The truth is you don;t have clue how fast the Jets are travelling, so your whole point is completely invalid.

You also make some huge assumptions about the mathematics of the perspective without having a single shred of evidence, vis a vie, the camera lens and its' inherent distortion and parallax effects. In other words you are making exactly the same sort of pseudo science claims skeptics accuse so many others of.

Simply throwing terms like Doppler Effect into your post, might fool a few naive people, i doubt you have a single clue as to how it actually works in relation to, what is in effect, a point source stereo microphone as it is panned with the motion of the object in frame, not a classic static X Y array as used in movies.


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 09:08 PM by JPhish
Originally posted by zaiger
Originally posted by JPhish
reply to post by zaiger


You're right it doesn't. But, you employing them is a sign of weakness in your argument. If what you were saying was a truth, you wouldn't need to resort to logical fallacies.

The truth is a beautiful thing because it doesn't need BS or logical fallacies to prop it up.


What im saying IS truth.
I'm going to humbly suggest that you have a biased blind spot (3)


If i was talking with someone logical I would not need to resort to BS
wishful thinking (4) two wrongs make a right (5) really?

so far i have demonstrated that you have been blatantly illogical 5 times and i have not. In lieu of this; your claim that you are being logical, or that my lack of logic is impairing me from understanding you is spurious.

[edit on 9/29/2009 by JPhish]


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 09:10 PM by N10citY
I believe that the ufo video is fake. To me the splash just doesn't look right. As for the F-18's making a high speed u-turn, totally possible. Refer to this youtube vid. In the video, the F-18 does a 360 turn but if you cut that in half he did a 180 in about 10 seconds. The Ufo video, they take about 10 seconds to flyby, do a 180 and reappear over the "object's" location. Granted, in the ufo video, they appeared over roughly the same point in space in 10 seconds. My guess is that the jets in the ufo video are going faster than the one in my example.



The helicopter is a Eurocopter AS 350 and can be seen here,

and

My guess is the fishing boat went into a military training area and was told to leave by the helicopter. I was in the navy (US) and stationed on an aircraft carrier. When we had to do a live fire exercise, we had to have an exclusion zone (don't remember the exact size) but it was monitored by radar and if any contacts were found, aircraft were dispatched to investigate and escort the "offender" out of the exclusion zone. The helicopter is definitly real, in my opinion, due to the rotor wash effects on the ocean. The jets could have been cgi and the ufo definitly appeared to be cgi.

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[edit on 29-9-2009 by N10citY]


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 09:34 PM by defiler
reply to post by impaired


I totally agree if this is real the government will take every possible step
to find that memory card or camera. So I don't believe that this is true.
And why do they stop filming, if Im there I would film much more maybe
the ufo will appear again but they seem to know that in advance

One more thing. The UFO takes off or dives ?
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