RightWing Conference Tells Activists to Get Their Guns Ready for Bloody Battle with Obama the Nazi

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

Ironic that you take Hitlers word for things versus his actions, while also ignoring what he said later on after the interview you are quoting. This was before he took complete control of the country. And yes he did take over complete industries and companies.

Although, I do find it entertaining you then post an article telling me what conservatives REALLY stand for. lol, hilarious. Your rhetoric knows no bounds...... Saying 'independent facts' and then linking to those sites and articles. You crack me up


[edit on 30-9-2009 by johnny2127]

[edit on 30-9-2009 by johnny2127]

No my delusional lying friend! you're the one that crack people up here, posting suspicious links to small fanatic far-right blogs and ohh! my favorite one: when you posted a false political compass that you had made in MS paint yourself!

But there you have it folks!

That's the modus operandi of the American far right! - Joseph Göbbels would had been proud to have them and people like Johnny2127 in their Propaganda Ministry.

I trust in the Intelligence of the readers here enough to look up Independent information and check independent sources of what I am saying here - themselves!

The reader should not take anything for granted these days, especially not disinformation from Johnny2127 and the American Far Right movement.

Since most readers are intelligent enough to come to their own conclusion, and since I know I'm talking the truth - therefore I am not afraid for my reputation to take any special damage since I am not the one who is falsifying history here!

I trust our intelligent members judgement and their analytical skills enough, because they are not the bunch you have to spoon-feed disinformation to - they know and recognize such behaviour & modus operandi all to well from their own experiences watching the American Mainstream Media.

As a citizen of this world, the only thing I can do is to point them in the right direction and to hope that people like yourself never again have the chance to pollute the world's history with your corrupted revisions & blatant lies!

And thankfully they can easily spot an American history revisionist and smell a lie and the awful stench of misinformation from miles away!

Have a nice day in your corrupted fantasy world Johnny!


[edit on 30-9-2009 by Chevalerous]

Originally posted by Chevalerous

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

Ironic that you take Hitlers word for things versus his actions, while also ignoring what he said later on after the interview you are quoting. This was before he took complete control of the country. And yes he did take over complete industries and companies.

Although, I do find it entertaining you then post an article telling me what conservatives REALLY stand for. lol, hilarious. Your rhetoric knows no bounds...... Saying 'independent facts' and then linking to those sites and articles. You crack me up


[edit on 30-9-2009 by johnny2127]

[edit on 30-9-2009 by johnny2127]

No my delusional lying friend! you're the one that crack people up here, posting suspicious links to small fanatic far-right blogs and ohh! and my favorite one: when you posted a false political compass that you had made in MS paint yourself!

But there you have it folks!

That's the modus operandi of the American far right! - Goebbles would had been proud to have them and people like Johnny2127 in their Propaganda Ministry.

I trust in the Intelligence of the readers here enough to look up Independent information and check independent sources of what I am saying here - themselves!

The reader should not take anything for granted these days, especially not disinformation from Johnny2127 and the American Far Right movement.

Since most readers are intelligent enough to come to their own conclusion, and since I know I'm talking the truth - therefore I am not afraid for my reputation to take any special damage since I am not the one who is falsifying history here!

I trust our intelligent members judgement and their analytical skills enough, because they are not the bunch you have to spoon-feed disinformation to - they know and recognize such behaviour & modus operandi all to well from their own experiences watching the American Mainstream Media.

As a citizen of this world, the only thing I can do is to point them in the right direction and to hope that people like yourself never again have the chance to pollute the world's history with your corrupted revisions & blatant lies!

And thankfully they can easily spot an American history revisionist and smell a lie and the awful stench of misinformation from miles away!

Have a nice day in your corrupted fantasy world Johnny!


[edit on 30-9-2009 by Chevalerous]

You must be kidding. A political compass I made myself? Did you even go to the site? It was an external link buddy, not a picture that was uploaded to ATS. It was a political compass from an academic paper posted on TheLibertyPapers.com

I sincerely don't understand your bile and hateful way of talking down to people. Some people really can carry on a debate, but you always resort to insults and rhetoric. I posted links to well established academic sites. You posted a link to huppi.com which is a personal website made in a web-template. LOL.

Look man, you and I won't agree. And that is fine. But you really should dial back the hate and be more respectful to people whom you don't agree with. I don't mind that you don't agree with me. Its 110% fine. Just remember the age old adage, 'you'll catch more bees with honey than vinegar' and the way you speak to people is all vinegar. Calm down, relax, not everyone has to agree with you. And if they don't it doesn't mean anything bad about them. Intolerance of other peoples' opinions is a very destructive personality flaw.

I posted links to well established academic sites. You posted a link to huppi.com which is a personal website made in a web-template. LOL.

I'm not talking about huppi.com I am talking about the right wing blog YOU posted a link to prove your thesis.

There's a big difference between you and me, and that is that I'm not the one who is lying here.

And I trust the readers to know enough historical knowledge and are educated enough to see that what is written on huppi to be the truth and the reader will Recognize it as such - therefore I think that all of your petty attemps here are silly!

And lay off the BS arrogant Rhetoric yourself! - you are making a fool of yourself with your hateful posts! so please stop the bile and hateful way of talking down to people

Everyone can read how you have twisted my words and have putting them into wrong context.

You falsely accused me for calling you dense which you also used against me in your corrupted arrogant rhetoric, furthermore you are falsely giving the impression to the readers through your rhetoric answering posts that I would be a Liberal by writing so.

You have called me an Elitist in your post because you have decided that I am one - and that I am talking down to people just because the truth doesn't fit you Johnny!

So stop being a smartypants and take a good look at your own arrogant rhetoric authorship - you know? People in the Glass Houses Shouldn't Throw Stones!

And I love they corrupted way you were accusing me of spreading hate here - when you are the one who is spreading hate to everyone with vile words, as you have done to me

So I will return that accusation to you my friend and say:

You don't know what love is - and you sadly don't know how to love!

You can twist my words any way you like my friend, since I'm disgusted to see how that's the only way you know how to win a discussion - making false allegations & accusations giving the reader your misunderstood opinion about me in your posts!

And no doubt you would win any debate over me since English is not my first nor native language, and it is hard for me even typing this.

And ohhh! please let me return your own arrogant words with kindness:

"You are a prime example of everything wrong with political debate right now."

So according to your own standards, I can apparently say this: you are a prime example of everything that is wrong with the World and especially why America is soo damn messed up right now.

I'll pray for your misinformed soul my friend!


[edit on 30-9-2009 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by grover


Calling Obama a Nazi is totally appropriate. The Rockefellers are the ones who brought Hitler into power. Hitler only did what they told him to do. I G Fraben was a subsidiary of Standard Oil and built Auschwitz. They killed Kennedy, they started the cold war. They are Nazis, even though Hitler coined the term. Obama works for them. He totally deceived us.

reply to post by Chevalerous


Anyone who reads through our exchange would not come to conclusion I have thrown a single stone at you.

Even just now you call me a liar, an arse, corrupted, and that I do not know what love it or how to love. Its getting pretty absurd. Those are huge statements to make about someone you don't know the slightest bit. You don't know about any of my charity work, or what I do for work, or how I treat others around me. And if you talk down to people and call their opinions lies, and belittle their intelligence, as you have done to me, you will always come across as an elitist. That is about how you treat people and how you communicate. You have chosen to act full of bile and hate towards those you don't agree with. Thats your choice. It hasn't spurred any constructive dialog, in fact all it does is further divide.

Lastly, I'll say it again.... the inability to be tolerant of other people's opinions is a very destructive flaw. I sincerely hope you calm down so we can have a rational dialog. If not, so be it. All your choice. Of course I would expect you to just fire away with your next salvo of insults.....



[edit on 30-9-2009 by johnny2127]

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

Of course I would expect you to just fire away with your next salvo of insults.....

Of course I wouldn't expect less of you!

Myself, I expect to see your next salvo of lies, allegations and false accusations with newly twisted words, taken out of context - and hateful way of talking down to people.

And fear for your next salvo of hateful insults that you are spreading around you here! - you must really enjoy hurting people with those names & false accusations that you bestowe upon people.


[edit on 30-9-2009 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by johnny2127


I seem to have started a little firestorm over at my other thread...and sadly that was not the intent.

I don't think a quarter of the posters have read or thought about the OP.

reply to post by grover


True. Maybe see if you still have the option of editing the title of the thread. Most seem to not mind though. Seems like some are just bound and determined to argue. I think some people take out their stress on these forums at times, and others just like to incite trouble sadly. I sincerely don't mind other peoples' opinions and actually hope to learn something I didn't know. If I can admit I was wrong or didn't know something, all it means is I am wiser now than I was a moment before. Nothing wrong with that!

Originally posted by Chevalerous

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

Of course I would expect you to just fire away with your next salvo of insults.....

Of course I wouldn't think less of you!

Myself, I expect to see your next salvo of lies, allegations and false accusations with newly twisted words, taken out of context - and hateful way of talking down to people.

And fear for your next salvo of hateful insults that you are spreading around you here! - you must really enjoy hurting people with those names & false accusations that you bestowe upon people.

How have I in any way spoken down to you or anyone else? How have I hurt you? I am sincerely asking this. Never been accused of it before.

reply to post by Jazzyguy

Why now, why not fight back during the bush era?
It looks bush jr got a lot of freepass to me.

Some definitely have legitmate reasons, but again, why now?

Why now you ask? Although we have been slowly marching(forced to?) toward socialism since FDR, the health care issue and bailouts are very large and immediate steps to strengthen the power of the state, and thus present clear doctrines to rebel against. Most Americans are apathetic to some degree about politics, but when the government starts taking dramatic action which will directly effect their lives through massive inflation and erosion of individual wealth like the bailouts, or starts telling us how and what type of health care we can receive, that might be the point where the people stand up and say NO....

Why were things like the Patriot act tolerated under Bush? First, those things don't currently effect the majority, and second, people are willing to give up freedom for the promise of safety. Is that a good thing? I don't think so, but seems to be true...

reply to post by Chevalerous

So don't be fooled by listening to phony American wing nut propaganda that is lying to you! - Please educate yourself!

Hitler was a Right-Wing Authoritan Fascist, the Antithesis of Marxist Socialism & Communism - God damn it!!

So you are saying the right wingers should be comparing Obama to Lenin and Stalin, who like Hitler, killed those who opposed them in the name of the state and also like Hitler, took absolute control?

[edit on 30-9-2009 by tripletau]

Originally posted by tripletau
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

So don't be fooled by listening to phony American wing nut propaganda that is lying to you! - Please educate yourself!

Hitler was a Right-Wing Authoritan Fascist, the Antithesis of Marxist Socialism & Communism - God damn it!!

So you are saying the right wingers should be comparing Obama to Lenin and Stalin, who like Hitler, killed those who opposed them in the name of the state and also like Hitler, took absolute control?

[edit on 30-9-2009 by tripletau]

According to all existing definitions of European politics you could easily say that the current American political situation is a political system leaning towards Fascism.

(With the Corporations running the Government, and where the Presidents are bought puppets for an Industrial/financial elite junta)

The construction of European Fascism have some parts of socio-economics which we also can find in the economical system of Socialism - but that is how European Fascism is constructed.

Both 'Authoritarian Fascism Right' and 'Authoritarian Marxist Socialism Left' are totalitarian systems and have nothing in common with 'true theoretical Socialism' where the people owns the means of production.

The definition of true Socialism is: 'The Workers Ownership of the Means of Production'

Since 'true Socialism' never been implemented into any society in the world so far where the the definition of 'true Socialism' exists.

Soviet Russia was a Authoritarian Marxist dictatorship and never true Socialism since it was a totalitarian system where the workers didn't owned the means of the production. (the TPTB owned the production & Industries in the Soviet era)

The real reason that true Socialism never have been implemented is very simple.

The Industrial Elite belongs to TPTB and they own the means of production, and to have true Socialism where the workers own the means of production & industries and share the fruits of their labour - the people need to get the Industrial elite and TPTB out of the picture before they can own the means of production.

And now that I have explained that we can go back to your question:

So if you are asking me personally, I sadly think the definition to call Obama a Fascist is more correct than to call him a Socialist.


[edit on 30-9-2009 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by grover

Absolutely none of those are found in either classic socialism or even communism...nor are they even the sole reserve of the left.

I believe the source of confusion here between you and Johnny2127, is that you are speaking of theoretical socialism, which has never existed in practice to any substantial degree.

The biggest socialist movements that HAVE existed, have been totalitarian ie China and Soviet Russia. Certainly Europe practices SOME socialist policies, but nowhere near the level of pure (theoretical) socialism.

I think that many American conservatives fear that moves toward socialism within the US, will lead to totalitarianism or at the very least less freedom, since this has been the real result of countries that are completely socialist .

This is one of the biggest arguments of the pro gun movement and also returns us to the OP, ie. the majority of gun owners are not out committing murders, so why is the government trying to take away our means of self defense? It must be because they don't want us to resist their future plans and goals.... As Johnny pointed out, gun grabs have always been employed by governments bent on domination. If a person has come to agree that the US government is moving in this direction, you can see why the result would be anger and protest. These people are interested in preserving their personal freedoms which they feel are being threatened.

Originally posted by Chevalerous

And BTW! The philosopher Karl Marx never killed anyone!

Karl Marx was never elected to anything, so he wasn't in a position to kill anyone with his beliefs. However, Marxists have killed thousands with their policies

Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by Chevalerous

And BTW! The philosopher Karl Marx never killed anyone!

Karl Marx was never elected to anything, so he wasn't in a position to kill anyone with his beliefs. However, Marxists have killed thousands with their policies

Yes but our friend tripletau wrote: 'Lenin and Marx' in his question to me.

But now after his edit you can read 'Lenin and Stalin' and maybe that's what he meant from the beginning?

reply to post by johnny2127


The system of capitalism has killed many more than any single dictator ever has, left or right.

Let alone destroyed whole continents, kept most of the world in financial slavery, caused millions to starve, slowed technological developments...

Left or right, they're both evil if they support a state that allows one class of people to rule over another, and capitalism is the system that allows that. When our resources for life are taken from us, then sold back to us after we have slaved to produce it, we have no freedom no matter what label the state system gives itself. The only freedom is financial, but you're still a slave to it no matter if you're rich or poor.
We have been robbed of our ability for self survival and governance, and it's been replaced by the state. We haven't been free since the end of feudalism, when the 'peasants' had far more freedom and say in their lives than we do now. Don't let the history they teach in school fool you, most of it is lies to cover up the fact that we have not progressed as a society but regressed into a dumb apathetic animal who can't think for itself without 'authority' to appeal to.

It's not people or governments that are the problem, we can get rid of them easily if we want to, it's US all of us. The real revolution starts at home.

reply to post by Chevalerous

Yes but our friend tripletau wrote: 'Lenin and Marx' in his question to me.

But now after his edit you can read 'Lenin and Stalin' and maybe that's what he meant from the beginning?

Yes, by the time I realized my mistake and corrected it, you were in the process of responding to it. But it is a revealing mistake on my part. As we both stated, theoretical socialism has never been put into practice, and I very much doubt that it ever will.

Why? Not just because of the power wielded by the corporations, but also because humans are fallible and corruptible and would eventually pervert any system, so that the few could feed off of the many. That man will subvert any system for his own benefit has been demonstrated to us over and over again for countless ages.

Of course this problem exists within capitalism too, quite often because of government intervention through the banks/bankers that allow corporations to monopolize industries and crush what would otherwise be a relatively fair distribution of wealth amongst many smaller businesses.

reply to post by ANOK


Every system has its flaws and draw backs, with no exceptions. Personally I would not agree that capitalism has done more damage than any other system. Technology, innovations, medical breakthroughs, etc have come at the quickest pace under the capitalistic system. Without those same breakthroughs, countless millions die horrible deaths.

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

Anyone who reads through our exchange would not come to conclusion I have thrown a single stone at you.

Your rhetoric knows no bounds...... Saying 'independent facts' and then linking to those sites and articles. You crack me up

My opinion is that this is a prime example of what you are doing, taking people's writings and then are showing them out of context to make the person look bad!

Someone from the English-speeking world - Please tell me! - I need help with some academic questions!

I wrote in the full text that he's now are sampling from:

The knowledge of knowing that if I at least can help one member here to further investigate this on his own with true independent facts about the true nature and the political Philosophy of National Socialism & Fascism and Socialism & Communism - it would make me happy! - Deny Ignorance!

"if I at least can help one member here to further investigate this on his own with true independent facts"


Is this very poor written in English if I mean:

The members can further investigate these facts with true independent facts on his own

My meaning and the intention with this written text was :

(If you read my full quote above in context)

The members can go to the Public Liberies and search for information or go to the 'German Historical Institute in Washington DC' asking for the correct facts, or from any other independent and respectable sources and then compare the result for themselves and draw a conclusion in a academic style!

So please! did I write this wrong?

Either am I right about that this guy is having an agenda and are twisting my words or that he has very bad reading comprehension?

OR - that I, am writing very poor English that the readers are misunderstanding.

I would be very thankful for some input over my English writing skills since English is not my native language! - and I would like to try to correct my mistakes for future writing sessions.

Many thanks in advance!


[edit on 1-10-2009 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by Chevalerous


This reply doesn't make sense. You posted something I said to you after you had just told me that I was throwing stones at you. This after you have written time after time that I was lying, and idiot, dense, and many other insults. You told me I didn't know what love was and didn't know how to love. You called me corrupted and selfish. How did I twist any of those words? You wrote all of them.