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Is it possible that those in 'power' will rid of the internet entirely?

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posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 03:24 AM
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If this were to occur...how long do we have before 'they' shut us down?

I know this is speculation, prediction, and "what ifs", but
in your opinion, is there more or less probability of this happening?

Also, if it were to happen...then what?
Fear? Outrage? People looking for other ways to communicate?


Any thoughts?




posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 03:47 AM
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No, because the internet is used for commerce, trade and banking.

They cannot shut it down, because it would hurt the elite where it hurts most..... Making money.

It would be like halting all road transport in the nation.

Or unplugging the entire telephone system.

While it would certainly stop a lot of stuff they don't like to see goimng on, it would also STOP THEM from making money, and kill business, and the entire nation economically..



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 04:04 AM
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Trouble is with the net is that you CAN use the net for commerce and business, but forums and 'personal' information sites CAN be shut down, You'd have to go to the ISP and tell them to shut down specific sites , and as you shut them down you can monitor whats left.
Any dissenting sites can be watched and closed down if TPTB deem them to be threatening .

You can leave the commerce sites open , it would offend and upset a lot of people but if they really wanted to they could shut down the entire net in a day or even an hour, claiming 'technology' issues or 'solar' activity ( a soalr flare could shut down all wired or wireless activity), and then restart the net with 'limited' access.

Then all you'd have left is a internet run by TPTB for TPTB. We'd have no say, and I'm pretty sure they would forfeit a bit of cash in order to stop the people organising a rebellion or revolution against them. Its pretty much the same as editing TV programs or channels to show only what THEY want to show us.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 04:29 AM
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But what is business, if you stop all your customers from using the internet ?

You cannot isolate the public from the internet, but allow business to advertise.
Advertise to who ?

What would be the point of allowing banks to continue electronic funds transfer, but disconnecting most of the users of electronic funds transfer from the internet ?

That is the problem the elite have.

To start shutting down parts of a free information transfer system rapidly becomes counter productive and does more harm than good.

* edited for spellin puntuation and gramma


[edit on 29/9/2009 by Silver Shadow]

[edit on 29/9/2009 by Silver Shadow]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 04:41 AM
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There is a new internet in place...
It is called ipsv or something..

it goes to more and new Ip's etc...

Sooo, if 'they' have this new Inet for them, they could close 'ours' without any trouble...



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 04:43 AM
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LMAO to 'shut down the Internet' (which cannot be done completely btw as the Internet is just a massive series of networked computers) would be to incur the wrath of the literally millions of hackers, crackers and script kiddies who would all collectively turn their attentions on the PTB that did the deed. That, my friend, is a force not to be reckoned with.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 04:57 AM
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There's actually a bit of a roar from a few of my acquaintances in Australia about web censorship, and that's just for a few pages. Imagine if it was announced that the entire internet was to be censored? As stated by the above poster, there would be many a gentlemen manning the LOIC.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:00 AM
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Yes but like I stated earlier, they TPTB CAN shut down the whole internet if they so chose, then blame a solar flare or some other fantastic event , like swine flu for us people , claim a really potent virus has infected the internet, shut it down 'for your protection' re-instate this new internet 2.0 but limit the usage to prevent further 'attacks'.
We as regular users of THIS net will be annoyed, but we won't have any other course of action to vent our anger at the ISP's except via post and fone. WE won't be able to use the new version of the net unless we 'comply' to TPTB and their terms and conditions of using their net.

Hackers may try but I'm pretty sure they'll have they're own army of hackers to counteract any virus. Yes business may lose a small amount of cash but in the long run its a small loss for a larger gain, like letting your enemy overstep his lunge before decapitating him as he stumbles to regain his footing. And TPTB don't care about some little vendor plyng his wares on the net when there's more profit to be made as you buy up ISP's BEFORE the old net is shut down.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:18 AM
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The original idea of internet censorship in Australia had to do with classifying all internet sites, just as books and films are now classified into several categories:

Suitable for children.
Not recommended for children
Adults only (18+)
Really bad stuff XXX..

The idea was very widely supported by parents and teachers to protect our children, and still is.

The idea was never to BLOCK anything totally, just tag everything, so parents and teachers could limit what children were exposed to.

Unfortunately it proved technically very difficult to do effectively, and has not been implemented.

The idea that the Australian Government was about to censor EVERYONE from what THEY decided was unsuitable is total rubbish,

Any Aussie government that tried that stunt, would be crucified at the next election.

The idea was to classify all internet sites so that parents and teaches could then activate suitable filters. There was never the intention of the Aussie government to totally block anything..



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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Haha yeah!

That would be a bad day



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:24 AM
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It must be done. So we all will be disconected.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by MrOrange82
It must be done. So we all will be disconected.

Then they will cripple the whole nation.

And how does that help them ?



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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I would have to respectfully disagree.

World's Greatest Hacker Says Obama's BlackBerry Can Be Breached

Obama Says Hackers Got Into Campaign Computer Systems

Just two examples available via google. Imagine what we don't know.
The ability of any major well renown, or not (due to obvious reasons) hacker is of unprecidented scale. We hear of all this technology we have at the moment and pretend that it is our most advanced limit due to some sort of MSM disclosure.

The first article I presented tells of how an apparent world renown hacker claims the task of being able to hack Obama's Blackberry with no sweat. I presume this is a limited detail of the actual technology and situation which goes on in todays cyberworld 'threat'. It seems we are only vaguely reminded of any true threat as to not panic the public. Remember, a lazy uninformed public is a dosile, easy to manage public. That being said I do believe the U.S. has an army of hackers under their control. The problem I see is the ego of an experienced, educated hacker does not crumble under the offer of money. Hell they can get all the money they need via what I would call bank credit (a.k.a. currency). Power is what they must desire yet no government would relinquish such control at such high costs in which a professional hacker would desire. Hackers are very subversive and not easily decieved into the tricks of the higher ups, or TPTB (My buddy being an extreme hacker). I think China and Russia are much further ahead in the technological currency system which I think is why the U.S. is so determined to destroy themselves, with an attempt to bring down the global economy, within this system. Major economists state the U.S. dollar will crash and they will end up becoming a third world nation in the near future. Wrong. Canada is their new resource base. They've got them under their thumb. Why a need for currency if you already have the military might, the nations of the world allied with you through military presence/pressure and an oasis of resources via Canada. Thus, I believe, this is when the "New World Order" or just a global national governance will take off. . . maybe spawning from the U.N.? Just trying to connect some dots logically.



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[edit on 29-9-2009 by born2BWild]

[edit on 29-9-2009 by born2BWild]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by Kryties
LMAO to 'shut down the Internet' (which cannot be done completely btw as the Internet is just a massive series of networked computers) would be to incur the wrath of the literally millions of hackers, crackers and script kiddies who would all collectively turn their attentions on the PTB that did the deed. That, my friend, is a force not to be reckoned with.


I agree they would only be able to censor their own state due to legal limits imposed by other nations. This would have to include multiple major nations around the globe. More than likely this could not be attained due to international laws and an individual's rights. Such a bold move would be matched with great civil unrest and a general uproar across the globe.

Acheivable? Yes.

Attainable in reality without extreme uproar and an overthrow of power? No.

It would be a global revolution. . .

[edit on 29-9-2009 by born2BWild]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:07 AM
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Keep your eyes on the FCC Chief Diversity Officer, Mark Lloyd, appointed by Obama. If anyone will stir things up it is him. A man with his background would want nothing more than to silence the opposition to the president.

He is a radical thinker who dreams of a broadcast media Utopia controlled by the government for the government. The internet is not out of his realm. Trust me, they could easily disable large sites like ATS and everything in between.

When the Hackers get caught, who do they end up working for in exchange for reduced charges and sentences?

Of course, this type of shut down would result in a massive upheaval never imagined by this administration.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by born2BWild

Originally posted by Kryties
LMAO to 'shut down the Internet' (which cannot be done completely btw as the Internet is just a massive series of networked computers) would be to incur the wrath of the literally millions of hackers, crackers and script kiddies who would all collectively turn their attentions on the PTB that did the deed. That, my friend, is a force not to be reckoned with.


I agree they would only be able to censor their own state due to legal limits imposed by other nations. This would have to include multiple major nations around the globe. More than likely this could not be attained due to international laws and an individual's rights. Such a bold move would be matched with great civil unrest and a general uproar across the globe.

Acheivable? Yes.

Attainable in reality without extreme uproar and an overthrow of power? No.

It would be a global revolution. . .

[edit on 29-9-2009 by born2BWild]


Sorry but I have to disagree a little bit here, supposing , just supposing a REAL solar flare were to hit the Planet and all the internet was to go down by a natural occurance, would you go ranting and raving to your ISP or overthrown your Government simply because theres no net?
No you wouldn't , you'd just to have to accept it and wait till they get some sort of resemblance of a net back up and running. Then you'd accept it for what it is, not what it WAS, You'd be grateful even though you cou;dn't access your favorite porn site or your favourite conspiracy sites.

My point being your told theres been a solar flare that knocked the net down, do you have any way of checking yourself? do you have the equipment to check for a solar flare or another natural occurance? Not many people do. the rest of us are simply told about it by the news on TV or radio and we all KNOW records can be falsified or details altered to fit the circumstances.
My point being made , if we KNEW TPTB wanted to shut down the net so they could get censors in place, to keep us from communicating with each other, to stop us informing each other but the real trouble is we DO know TPTB want to shut this current form of the net down, so we wouldn't believe anything we heard and blame them anyway.



[edit on 29/9/09 by DataWraith]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:37 AM
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When is enough enough when is the breaking point and will the Weople stand by and continue to watch their country be disassembled surgically?

[edit on 29-9-2009 by amari]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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It would have to be a solar flare that was powerful enough to knock out every communication device on the planet, if that happened, then sure people would accept it, otherwise no not so much.

There are already Dark Nets out there, if the governments arent careful they will make a bigger black market then they did with the drug war.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Ok maybe not a solar flare , but a 'virus' can for sure, Get a few hundred thousand people all complaining about their computer being infected with a virus , maybe a few million ( no offense microsoft ) and then when it hits the headlines, 'INTERNET INFECTED, all computers at risk'. and the byline only way to stop this virus is shut down the net and start again then see how many Governments get overthrown?
Not many as the spin told to the people will 'be for their own good' that the net is shut down and 'disinfected'....



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:59 AM
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You seem to be under a misunderstanding of what the internet is.

There is no magical control switch which turns the internet off.

No governments could announce a super techno virus and expect the people who know what they are doing to just go duh ok better not go online in case I get infected.

Hell you could release a virus which physically blows peoples computers up (no you cant really) and people would go online to find it so they could play with its code.

Even if ISP's begin blocking certain websites, their are ways around it, and if the governments push too hard it will just encourage the current internet to split back into loads of small unregulated p2p networks.



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