posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 03:00 PM
Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by Lillydale
I see where youre coming from now, you only defend white collar criminals, but detest lowly working class criminals. It's all about economic class to
Crime and punishment is really about Power and control and the ability to profit from power and control. At the founding of our republic there were
three crimes, murder, theft and high crimes of treason. Even rape was not considered a crime in that day and age because it was considered a man’s
responsibility to protect his own women and keep them safe from such acts. Most people were in fact married by the age of 13,14 or 15 as the life
expectancy was much lower in those days and the need for a highly standardized education which centers mostly towards social conformity today to a
vast network of vague and often counter productive and defeating laws and moral standards was completely unnecessary in a free and independent
thinking society where people had to be free and independent thinking to carve a place in the world out of a hostile wilderness.
Today the wilderness is gone and has been replaced with a massive, layered and intricate grid of control.
Most of what is illegal today is illegal so the state can profit off of vices and impose its control through and over people’s love of vices.
What makes your arguments in the extreme so dangerous my friend as the more people foolishly advocate for and argue for blanket uniform punishments
that do not take in to account the nature of the crime or the extenuating circumstances it simply invites the passing of more and more uniform laws to
regulate and modify all forms of human behavior and to profit off of usurping that power over morals, free will and people’s own love of things the
state denies them for the sake of profit and control.
This often affects the working or poorer class of citizen in much more demonstrative ways than it does the moneyed class and richer class of citizens
who can use their money and position to better interact and interface with an all too pervasive and intruding criminal justice system.
Your advocacy for trying and convicting people on purely emotional grounds and meting out irreversible punishments aimed at soothing the savage beast
only encourages the state to keep using Crime and Punishment for profit and control in an inflexible way that is always going to place more of a
burden on the poor than the rich.
Ultimately as with all similar related things where ever the State can divide the people on fundamental issues the State can conquer the people on
those issues and impose draconian rule in increasingly restrictive and unfair ways to the poorer citizens but to all citizens.
When you advocate for not allowing the true nature or actual circumstances and extenuating circumstances to fit in to how people will be punished then
you are holding the door wide up for the state to eventually legislate every last thought, word and action and rule by that means and it practically
Extreme and highly emotional issues like this are what is used to set the people up to rush to that conclusion that the State should have absolute
power over life and death and the more you advocate for that type of uniform and blanket power the more it will be used against us all and especially
the poor which the state considers to be its more expendable and least profitable segment of society.