"Free Polanski" = Liberals gone crazy

Yep, you prefer to appeal to emotion, muddy the water then tell people what they are seeing.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Tracy Lords did in fact begin performing in porno movies at 15 with a fake ID because she wanted to.

Yet that doesn't change anything,

I have to wonder what happened in her childhood.

There is no such thing as a consenting thirteen year old.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I was a consenting 13 year old when I first had sex and I resent the fact that someone thinks I should not have been able to consent at 13.

Tracy came from a decent home in the Encino Hills and had relatively afluent parents.

She was mature for her age in a fashion both phsyically and in her attitudes about things and enjoyed being promiscuous, coc aine and being the center of attention in other words the 'life'.

Tracy was so determined she willfully lied knowing that no one in the Porn Industry would be involved with a minor.

When the truth came out such sinister enterprises as Block Buster Videos had to pull the tapes she had done, lots of people lost money, other's faced criminal prosecution all based on a young woman wanting to lie to enjoy the upsides to being a porn star.

The point is it happens. I believe that people should have the right to make their own choices regardless of the age as long as they are prepared to suffer the consequences of their choices.

I believe in free will and it is free will I am advocating for as always.

Once again Storm Dancer my point is are we serving Justice are we serving the victim or are we serving our selves?

My contention is the majority of the posters posting to the thread are suffering from a mob rule mentality and intellect and are doing so to serve them selves.

Doesn't matter what arguments you or anyone else comes up with or how many knees jerk, the truth of that is the truth of that.

Thanks.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
It's totally sick.

But rather than view it as a liberal issue, I tend to view it as an elitist issue - particularly Hollywood elite.

From R. Kelly to Charlie Sheen, they seem to have their proclivities and, because they are isolated in their own little community, they entertain us and they consider themselves special, they want us to look the other way.

The deeper issue to me is the culture of abuse, ritual or otherwise. It seems pervasive in that lifestyle. McKenzie Phillips comes to mind. There are others.

The occult overtones are off the chart as well. He was married to Sharon Tate the most famous victim of the Manson murders and he directed the uber freaky Rosemary's Baby.


I agree. The Hollywood 'Elite' fully expect to lecture the rest of us on one standard and follow another. They can give a 'Go Green' speech and drive around in their SUVs and sports cars that gulp gas like a jet. Or speaking of jets, have a few parked in their back yard like John Travolta.

I think Barbera Streisand really pushed it with her lawsuit attempt to ban images of the coastline that included her house. Here is the web page with details - www.californiacoastline.org...
I am glad she lost.




[edit on 29/9/2009 by kosmicjack]

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Tracy Lords did in fact begin performing in porno movies at 15 with a fake ID because she wanted to.

Yet that doesn't change anything,

I have to wonder what happened in her childhood.

There is no such thing as a consenting thirteen year old.

Whooooooooo! I was developed, willing, and of sound mind and I consented to sex when I was 13. That was decades ago and to this day I do not feel that anyone made that decision but me. There was no force, no talking me into it, not really even social pressures around me. I wanted to, I was developed enough to, and I did.

How dare you claim that there is no such thing as a consenting 13. This thread is doing a great job of taking something everyone can agree is a crime, rape and personalizing it so many different ways that there are as many reactions as there are posters. How many of you are actually thinking of the victim here? If anything bad ever happens to me, people like you had really better not advocate in my favor.

I was a consenting 13 year old and this woman is a consenting 40something who does not want the man or the details thrown back in her face and shown to her family again.

Originally posted by Aeons
Only, being convicted by a court of law and then fleeing isn't being beaten on the street without any trial.

Proto, your story, doesn't have much relavance to the topic at hand as Polanski pled guilty to his crime, plea bargained to lesser charges and paid off the victim. Then he fled. He went through due process and then flipped the finger to everyone as he left.

You are comparing apple and oranges I'm afraid.

Are you contending that Polanski is innocent of the charge he himself pled guilty to?

I hope you don't have a daughter, I fear you will blame her for whatever befalls her. Then again, maybe you will let her go on a photo shoot with Roman. I mean....he is innocent after all, right?

This is what most of you do not get by personalizing this case and painting it was broad brushes not based on the individual merits and facts of the case or allowing any benefit of a reasonable doubt…

You are being trained, yes trained to dispense and advocate blind justice utilizing cases that most appeal to your emotions.

Extenuating circumstances go out the window like the perpetrator loosing his wife and unborn child to one of the most heinous and infamous murders ever committed, how his own celebrity might have been targeted for illicit gain and how his own mental state brought on by suffering an horrendous tragedy in his own life that made him too a legitimate victim might have factored in to his drug use and own need for close intimacy with others.

As a human being I am ready to wisely and compassionately consider those things along with the victims possible motivations and the compensation she was voluntarily awarded by the perpetrator as well as what other forms of punishment the perpetrator has already been subjected to.

What many of you don’t get is the moment we start dispensing justice routinely based on emotional reaction with no thought or concern to the extenuating circumstances and what is just for the victim if there is even a victim is the moment we foster a society that becomes a danger to us all.

Do you stormdancer or any of you want to be standing in a FEMA Camp a year from now being blindly condemned to Death because you were on a subversive web site like ATS. Some of you would no doubt say “But I was on there supporting the establishment” yet with blind justice, with emotional justice, facts, or factors no longer weigh in.

Is that the world any of you want to live in, for I truly believe that is what you are all being emotionally manipulated and conditioned in to accepting? Who will that serve? Certainly not the people and certainly not justice and certainly not humanity, people must learn to think and respond based on the circumstances and the facts or ultimately you are going to condemn yourselves and all of us to an intolerant world of swift and blind justice that simply eliminates anyone and everyone who does not conform and who thinks independently.

Think I am making it up, how many people have rushed to condemn me on this thread and I have committed no crime at all except speaking to intellect and conscious and people’s better angels, not their vengeful and personal demons.

Wake up people; you are all causing this increasingly bad nightmare we call reality by not thinking or considering.

The reality is this man long ago learned his lesson, paid for his crimes, is still paying for his crimes, and has not committed another such crime, his victim is satisfied yet all of you aren’t?

That to me is simply amazing and far more potentially dangerous than this Academy Award winning Motion Picture Director is.

Originally posted by Lillydale
Hmmmmm, good point. There are no football players on that list either, what does that tell you? Hollywood is going to defend the man. Hollywood also happens to be vastly more left than the rest of the country. I went over this already. Like I said, when it was Mark Foley only politicians stuck up for him. They also happened to all be Republican but lets not split hairs. Hollywood supports this man. Hollywood is made up of lefties. There are lefties all over the country. Only Hollywood is defending him, not the left.

Kinda circular logic there, prove to me that conservative Hollywood types are supporting Polanski, then your argument might have merit. As it stands, only the liberal/left side of Hollywood, and granted not ALL of the liberal/left is supporting him. A more accurate statement on your part would be "Only the Hollywood Left is defending him".

DBL post......I hate when that happens.


[edit on 30-9-2009 by pavil]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You are being trained, yes trained to dispense and advocate blind justice utilizing cases that most appeal to your emotions.

Huh??? Justice was followed out in the manner proscribed by the State of California. Polanski himself submitted to it. It's not like he was lynched, he CHOSE to plead to lesser charges then the ones originally brought up on him.

Originally posted by pavil


Kinda circular logic there, prove to me that conservative Hollywood types are supporting Polanski, then your argument might have merit. As it stands, only the liberal/left side of Hollywood, and granted not ALL of the liberal/left is supporting him. A more accurate statement on your part would be "Only the Hollywood Left is defending him".

State it any way you like. You are simply trying to pretend that I have not pointed out that the right is every bit as guilty of the exact same crimes the difference is that they are politicians and not movie stars so no one pays attention. I do not know why you think I need anything to make my argument have merit. The industry he works in is supporting him, just as it does in Washington with politicians. Most people in Hollywood are left and up until last year, most people in Washington were right.

You are stuck on politics and want that to be the issue so bad. What other left examples do you have? The people supporting him, do they make up a higher percentage of Hollywood folks or U.S. liberal citizens? I cannot wait to see your list of non-Hollywood liberals to make your argument have any merit.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by pavil
I hope you don't have a daughter, I fear you will blame her for whatever befalls her.

Sadly, he has stated already that he does. I would have asked him if he would mind a 40 year old man giving them alcohol, and having sex with them, if they felt they were ready at 12 or 13, but i was afraid the answer would disgust me so much, i didn't ask.

Once again as I stated earlier in the thread my children were far better supervised so they would not be placed in such a situation where they were free to utilize their own judgement.

Of course as you have demonstrated time and time again in this thread what people actually say and what the facts actually are you simply ignore them, denying them, and ask everyone to make a decision based on an illogical and manipulative emotional appeal.

Once again per the victim justice was served in this case, if Justice is not meant to serve the victim then so called justice has no productive place in society, far too often the brand of justice you advocate does not serve the victim at all, and does not even serve society, simply the state and simply your own oppinionated blood lust.

Is questioning the morals by which I raised my children when I have already stated how I raised my children the only thing you have to profer in the way of an intelligent argument?

It would seem to me that to be so, and it would seem to be like everything else you advocate for solely based upon your own wishful thinking in absence of the facts or considering the facts to serve your own desires.

You are precisely the type of person I wish to keep away from my children and hope that they will always have the good sense to reject such outlandish and propsertourous notions that you are only putting forward in an entirely self serving and emotionally manipulative way.

You prove my points with ever utterance friend and to that extent I must thank you very much though I do not appreciate your lack of honesty nor integrity in how you choose to foster and frame your debates.

While you consistently ignore facts and go for quantity of words, spiced with emotional pleas, claims to better knowledge, and ad hominems.

That's much better.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


[SNIP] Funny though, the double standard you seem to apply to your own children. Your opinions on their maturity mean nothing, by your beliefs, it's up to them COMPLETELY to decide when they are ready for sex with old men, not you, according to your beliefs. And i am totally honest, if i were in charge, and a person is proven guilty of molesting or raping a child under the age of 16, it would be the death penalty and a gruesome death at that. I do not hide my desire to spill the blood of child predators, i put that right out in the open.
[SNIP]

[edit on 30-9-2009 by 27jd]

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Courtesy is Mandatory

[edit on 30-9-2009 by dbates]

reply to post by Aeons


Of course lets do away with substance and quantity when we can boil down to simple emotional appeals for vengence by playing to people's emotions.

Let's ignore wider travelled people who have been exposed to a far greater degree to a fuller range of human behavior and emotions to play off of the fear inspired emotions of those who are content to just utilize their imaginations?

Let's ignore the facts of the victim being satisfied, lets ignore the facts of particular circumstances...

Let's focus solely on anyone who might have a shred of common sense in the world and display how dangerous that is to the narrow minded and highly oppinionated conformists and drones of the world.

Let's do away with free speech while we are doing away with reason and lets boil every weighty matter down to two line sound bites for the functionally illiiterate and emotionally impaired.

Great argument...for gerbils bad argument for intelligent human beings.

Justice was served in this case per the victim and if you are not concerned about the victim them you must be concerned about something else.

That would make all your arguments self serving towards a self serving agenda.

No matter how short and utterly devoid of substance it is!

yes, let us allow rich people to pay off victims so that they don't have to go to jail. That's sufficient for our systems of justice.

Sin offerings - they were good enough for Biblical Times, Good Enough for TODAY!

[edit on 2009/9/30 by Aeons]

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I wasn't responding to you, sicko. Funny though, the double standard you seem to apply to your own children. Your opinions on their maturity mean nothing, by your beliefs, it's up to them COMPLETELY to decide when they are ready for sex with old men, not you, according to your beliefs. And i am totally honest, if i were in charge, and a person is proven guilty of molesting or raping a child under the age of 16, it would be the death penalty and a gruesome death at that. I do not hide my desire to spill the blood of child predators, i put that right out in the open. It is YOU who is dishonest, disguising and justifying your own disgusting sexual perversions as some higher state of conciousness.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by 27jd]

I certainly hope that you do not live in the United States as the age of consent here varies from state to state and does go below 16. Washington D.C. it is 15 so I guess you think America is full of complete sickos.

Originally posted by Aeons
yes, let us allow rich people to pay off victims so that they don't have to go to jail. That's sufficient for our systems of justice.

Sin offerings - they were good enough for Biblical Times, Good Enough for TODAY!

[edit on 2009/9/30 by Aeons]

Yes perish the thought that cold hard cash might make someone feel better than knowing someone has three hots and a cot at taxpayer's expense in a prison where they make license plates for the prison to sell to taxpayer's at an obscene profit.

Your wisdom truly escapes me