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The Fourth Kind: Alien Abductions - The Big Picture from George Knapp

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posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Exclusive videos from George Knapp on alien abductions below...


Below is a synopsis and trailer from The Fourth Kind, a new film coming to theaters November 6, which claims to document alien abduction using never-before-seen archival footage:

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Structured unlike any film before it, The Fourth Kind is a provocative thriller set in modern-day Nome, Alaska, where—mysteriously since the 1960s—a disproportionate number of the population has been reported missing every year. Despite multiple FBI investigations of the region, the truth has never been discovered.

Here in this remote region, psychologist Dr. Abigail Tyler (Milla Jovovich) began videotaping sessions with traumatized patients and unwittingly discovered some of the most disturbing evidence of alien abduction ever documented.

Using never-before-seen archival footage that is integrated into the film, The Fourth Kind exposes the terrified revelations of multiple witnesses. Their accounts of being visited by alien figures all share disturbingly identical details, the validity of which is investigated throughout the film.

 


Below is the exclusive article and three-part original video series from George Knapp on the phenomena of extraterrestrial abductions.



Even in the world of UFO research, which is not always known for healthy skepticism and rigorous standards of evidence, the basic premise of the alien abduction scenario is way out in left field. From day one, nuts-and-bolts flying saucer investigators didn't want to believe these tales anymore than mainstream scientists did. They were more comfortable with studying lights in the sky, and they yearned for acceptance from Big Science. Fanciful accounts about space aliens at the foot of the bed were, you know, an embarrassment, an inconvenient diversion from the real work at hand.

On its face, the scenario seems flat out ridiculous, too preposterous to even consider. Are we expected to believe that some sort of alien beings are systematically entering the homes of otherwise normal people, floating them out of their bedrooms (sometimes through walls), beaming them aboard spaceships, subjecting them to invasive exams, performing often painful medical procedures that are focused on the human reproductive system, occasionally sharing with their subjects visions of the future or warnings of impending doom, then returning the abductees to their beds without anyone noticing their absence? Does it make sense that these mysterious intruders can manipulate the minds of their targets, generate deceptive imagery, and selectively repress their memories of the encounters? Should we waste our time on the sensational claims about abductions occurring in the same families over many generations, as if part of some ongoing genetic or reproductive experiment? Who in their right mind can swallow such wild accounts? Where is the hard evidence? And isn't it far more likely that the people making these claims are either lying, hallucinating, dreaming, or suffering from some sort of mental delusions?

It is hardly surprising that few scientific professionals , even those who might be open to the possibility that Earth has been visited by beings from somewhere else, would want any part of this story. It isn't the sort of pursuit that might bolster a resume or provide a boost to an academic who is seeking tenure.

In 1972, pioneer UFO researcher Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who had served as the principal science advisor to the Air Force's much maligned Project Bluebook investigation, wrote a scathing rebuke of the Air Force position on UFOs. Hynek had been instrumental in the promulgation of the Air Force whitewash, but the more he learned about UFO cases, the less he believed his own flimsy explanations. In his landmark book, The UFO Experience, Hynek established a classification system for UFO reports. Close Encounters of the First Kind (or CE 1--lights or objects seen by witnesses at varying distances), Close Encounters of the Second Kind (CE 2-- lights or objects which interact with the physical environment ), and Close Encounters of the Third Kind (CE 3--cases in which eyewitnesses see of beings or occupants associated with the UFO). According to his colleagues, Hynek was somewhat uncomfortable with the CE III category. He stopped short of referring to the UFO occupants as "aliens", using the term "animate beings" instead. Hynek recognized the explosive—and potentially counterproductive—implications of creating a specific category for cases in which witnesses claimed to see aliens, yet he stuck to his principles. He included CE 3 on his list because he felt "an obligation to report" what the eyewitnesses said they saw.

Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind is a category created by subsequent researchers, based on compelling cases that surfaced in the years after Hynek outlined his classification system. Without question, these cases represent the most disturbing aspect of the UFO mystery, even if they are not true in a literal, demonstrable sense. The temptation is to dismiss them outright. Something so outrageous can't possibly be true, and therefore no scientific investigation is warranted. That's what we've been told anyway.

That's also the conclusion most mainstream scientists have reached, (those who have even given the subject a second thought, that is) although very few have taken the time to look at a single case file. An otherwise open-minded scientist can say, in all honesty, that he has read ALL of the peer-reviewed articles about alien abductions that have ever been published in professional science journals and has seen no evidence that the reports are credible whatsoever. Such a statement would be true in a technical sense, for the simple reason that editors at professional science journals would never stoop to publishing an article about alien abduction experiences. The same is true for any article that mentions or analyzes UFO-related subjects, no matter how rigorous the scholarship. Simply put, it would be risky for a science editor to publish anything related to UFOs. There is no upside to it. Mainstream scientists are rarely, if ever, exposed to opinions and materials that might challenge their preconceptions about so-called fringe topics.

That's fine, sort of. Scientists wouldn't believe it anyway, or, if they did, they would not admit to it in any public forum. The same is true for the general population, I'd say. More importantly, it's also true for most of the alleged abductees. They have a lot of trouble digesting their experiences. Few of them want it to be true. Nearly all of them would prefer that it simply go away. Without being too cavalier about it, the alien abduction scenario is pretty wild, even on its most superficial level. If you take it at face value, which is admittedly hard to do, it represents something far more complicated than lights in the sky or benevolent visitors from somewhere else. It presents a fundamental challenge to our concepts of reality. Heavy stuff, if you care to think about it.

The most famous UFO abduction case occurred in 1961. It's the Betty and Barney Hill case. Books have been written. A movie was made. People are still debating the merits of the evidence.
Debunkers and assorted intelligence operatives have done their best over the years to poke holes in the story, resorting to disinformation and smears at times, but the story told by Betty and Barney has withstood all challenges. (If you are interested in the Hill abduction case, read the book "The Interrupted Journey" by John Fuller.)

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With mainstream scientists reluctant to investigate scattered reports of abduction incidents similar to the Hill case, the job eventually fell to a kindly, curious New York artist named Budd Hopkins. Hopkins had no formal scientific or investigative training, but he was intrigued by the disturbing stories he heard from friends and others. He developed an ever-growing circle of scared people, all of whom told essentially the same story. He interviewed dozens of people from all walks of life. Hopkins came to rely on hypnosis as a tool for retrieving memories that had been repressed…..or purposely buried. Hopkins' 1981 book "Missing Time" was the first to lay out the similarity and extent of the abductee's experience. A second book "Intruders", published in 1987, helped bring the abduction topic into the mainstream of UFO research. At about the same time, horror novelist Whitely Strieber revealed is own bizarre alien encounters in a smash bestseller "Communion", with its now ubiquitous "gray alien" on the cover, and from that point on, the alien abduction scenario became ensconced in public lore, if not in the annals of scientific research.

No one wants this to be true. No one can be comfortable with this scenario, least of all, the abductees themselves, many of whom have been profoundly affected by their experiences. Yes, it all seems ridiculous on its face, a preposterous notion, but in science, as in journalism and the law, we must follow the evidence where it leads. Make no mistake, there IS evidence to consider, though few mainstream scientists have the courage to fairly evaluate that evidence.

Hopkins has compared the public reaction to the abduction scenario to the first, unsettling tales about a Holocaust during World War II. He notes that even after the film and photos were released documenting the horrors of the concentration camps, a large percentage of the population simply did not believe it was true. They could not fathom something so terrible, so strange. It's the same with the abduction scenario. People don't want to hear it, and they certainly don't want to believe it.

"For me, the conclusion is inescapable," Hopkins wrote . "They are already here. Though I do not want to believe this, and feel decidedly unnerved by it , I believe it is true. Extraterrestrials have been observing us for many years, and we have no idea of their intentions."

Hopkins' work did eventually attract the attention of a handful of courageous scientists and academics. (More on their opinions in a bit.)

The following excerpt is from a three-disc documentary series I produced, UFO's: The Best Evidence. This clip provides a basic overview of what abductees all around the world have reported, and the difficulties faced by researchers like Hopkins.

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In his second book, Intruders, Budd Hopkins took his hypothesis one step further. He argued that, because of the similarity of content and detail in UFO abduction reports, they "must be accepted one of two ways. Either they represent some new and heretofore unrecognized and nearly universal psychological phenomenon—a theory which does not take into account the accompanying physical evidence—or they represent honest attempts to report real events."

In response to growing public interest in the abduction scenario, a predictable cast of characters from the ranks of UFO debunkers surfaced to make fun of the whole thing, while tossing out numerous, seemingly more plausible counter-explanations. Abductees were having bad dreams, or hallucinations, or it was sleep paralysis, or they were playing out repressed traumas from childhood sexual abuse—all of these were offered up by familiar critics, including Phil Klass and Carl Sagan. Sagan, a renowned astronomer, saw no problem in making pronouncements about the psychiatric makeup of the abductees, though he had little if any familiarity with the core evidence or the psychological screening that had taken place. As with the larger UFO picture, the arch-skeptics succeed just by muddying the waters, and they are rarely held to the same standards of proof they demand of UFO investigators. Whatever sticks to the wall seems good enough.

Hopkins' diligence eventually attracted the attention of a few academic heavyweights, including Dr. David Jacobs, a history professor from Temple University, and the brilliant Dr. John Mack , professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School (and Pulitzer Prize-winning writer.) After meeting with Hopkins and launching his own research project with abductees, Dr. Mack wrote in his 1994 book "Abduction, "I have come to see that the abduction phenomenon has important philosophical, spiritual, and social implications. Above all, more than any other research I have undertaken, this work had led me to challenge the prevailing worldview or consensus reality which I had grown up believing and had always applied in my clinical/scientific endeavors."

In 1992, Mack co-hosted a landmark scientific conference at MIT. (His co-chair was Dr. David Pritchard, MIT professor of Physics.) For five days, the assembled group heard testimony from abductees and abduction researchers. The gathering is superbly chronicled in "Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind", a book by formerly skeptical writer C.D.B. Bryan.

In this next clip from UFOs: The Best Evidence, Hopkins, Mack, Jacobs, and other researchers respond to the criticisms raised by debunkers. They allege that any counter theory must account for ALL of the evidence that has been accumulated, and that no rival theory yet proposed comes close.

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For his courage in pursuing the topic of abductions, Dr. Mack came under fire from Harvard Medical School and had to fight to retain his tenure. Harvard officials worried that his research had brought disrepute to the school, even though Mack had used the same rigorous scientific protocols he had always employed in his previous research. (Mack held onto his tenure. He died a few years ago in London after being struck by a drunk driver.) The pugnacious Dr. David Jacobs continues to research the topic but admits it has taken him down some dark alleys. The best-known researchers are not necessarily convinced that 'the visitors" are merely traveling here from other planets. The ultimate explanation, according to Dr. Jacques Vallee, is likely to be far more exotic and wondrous.

When combined with other unusual phenomena sometimes associated with UFOs, including bizarre animal mutilations, and unexplained but beautiful crop formations, the abduction scenario does raise troubling but potentially important questions about who we are and how we fit into the big picture. No one has any solid answers.

Author Whitely Streiber wrote in "Communion", "this matter is a garden of luminous weed through which only a fool would dash yelling any doctrine at all, whether it be that of Creationist and debunker or that of the UFO true believer. Even to approach the idea of the visitors, it is necessary to study a whole history of tall stories, bizarre tales, and---just possibly—truths.

In this final excerpt from The Best Evidence, we hear from some of our deepest thinkers about what it might mean for humanity.







This essay will end with a final quotation from the late John Mack:

"The abduction phenomenon is of considerable clinical and scientific interest. No convincing explanation of the experiences abductees report is currently evident. We may learn from further research a great deal about the nature of the human psyche and expand our notions of psychological and physical reality. The phenomenon may deliver to us a kind of fourth blow to our collective egoism, following those of Copernicus, Darwin and Freud. For we may be led to realize that not only are we not physically at the center of the universe, transcending other life forms and rational masters of our psyches-we are not even the preeminent or dominant intelligence in the cosmos, in control of our psychological and physical existences. It appears that we can be "invaded" or taken over, if not literally by other creatures, then by some other form of being or consciousness that seems able to do with us what it will.


-- George Knapp



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posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Mercury is wearing retro pants and the stars align. I was just discussing some of the great abduction stories with a friend whom I had no idea would be into such a subject. It was quite umprompted and now I have more material to ingest and throw her way. Curiously enough I also just watched this animation today that a professor of mine in college worked on. In it is abduction stories and Budd Hopkins who you mention also appears in it. I haven't thought about this film in quite some time so it leaves me with that lovely feeling of coincidence that makes your brain tingle with delight.

Check it out:

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posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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Great video! I loved the visualizations!

What really interested me was 2 things, the way the head shakes/shutters when they get excited, it reminds of the alien interview video (you tube: ALIEN INTERVIEW PT1) and also the fact their intrigued with our emotions and try to understand them!



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posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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Did you guys know that the alien abduction story is based upon another mythology? After extensive research into the myth, psychologists discovered that people were experiencing sleep paralysis with night terrors.

Incubus and Sucubus Mythology
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Details of the attacks by an incubus/succubus vary form the mild to the horrific. Victims generally claim to feel the presence of some entity lying on top of them, making breathing difficult. In extreme cases the individual may feel he or she is be suffocated... even strangled. Other people claim to have seen horrible images, including black shapes, snakes, demonic forms and even the grinning and malevolent face of the incubus/succubus. There have been reports of heavy pressure on the chest, the sensation of biting teeth or limbs being painfully twisted. People have spoken of their eyes being open during the attack, but being unable to anything except darkness... unable to gasp or cry out, unable to breath or feel or hear anything. Details of being unable to move and being pulled into the bed make uncomfortable reading - but not as terrible as the mental anguish. Some people report feeling an evil presence (or even presences) and sensing imminent death. Imagine being unable to see who or what is assaulting you. Or - in the worse case scenario - gasping fresh air into your lungs after an attack, relieved that your 'nightmare" is over... only for the attack to start all over again, worse this time because you are awake and more aware of the presence.




Every culture has its own version of the story. When people are frightened from slipping into sleep paralysis, their imagination manifests the event into a nightmare. Themes behind the night terrors are historically based upon modern day paradigms (or pop culture).

Sleep paralysis
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Sleep paralysis: A frightening form of paralysis that occurs when a person suddenly finds himself or herself unable to move for a few minutes, most often upon falling asleep or waking up. Sleep paralysis is due to an ill-timed disconnection between the brain and the body.

The symptoms of sleep paralysis include sensations of noises, smells, levitation, paralysis, terror, and images of frightening intruders. Once considered very rare, about half of all people are now believed to experience sleep paralysis sometime during their life.

Sleep paralysis strikes as a person is moving into or out of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, the deepest part of sleep. During REM sleep the body is largely disconnected from the brain leaving the body paralyzed. Sleep paralysis is the result of premature (or persistent) mind-body disconnection as one is about to enter into (or exit from) REM sleep...


Alien abduction stories are similar to old childhood fairy tails, which younger and older adults experience during their paralysis. Its a combination of pop culture mythology and a biological mechanism.

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posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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very good videos .. thanx !!

well ... everybody knows that something is going on ... you need to have a mental problem, or a mental block to not think that something is going on and NEED to be investigated



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Between the ages of 16 to present, I had experienced sleep paralysis countless of times. Sometimes there are nightmare themes, which my imagination conjures up from something I read or watched. Heck, I even had the whole alien abduction dream.

During one of my earlier experiences, with sleep paralysis, the alien abduction nightmare was being played out. Paralysis, levitation, alien presence, etc... I had all of the sensations described by abductees. Everything from the operation room light, surgical instruments, and vertically elongated people. Suddenly I decided to do something that alien abductees would not do. Out of all the stories conjured up about people's experiences with alien abductions, not a single one of them had attempted to do what I did.

I allowed myself to fall back asleep. Instead of allowing myself to fear the paralysis, I took control over my own psychological inhibitions. Once you realize your body is trying to force sleep, you are able to maintain control over your nightmares (and fears).

Now, every time I suffer from sleep paralysis, I calmly access the events around me. If the alien abduction nightmare is being played out, I give into my biological signals to render back into sleep. Once I have fallen back into REM sleep, I take control over the whole alien abduction nightmare. I turned my nightmare into theirs. I show them pain, suffering, and torment. I have control. Everything I do in the nightmare is to my benefit. If I allow the nightmares to continue, under the control of my imagination, I would not have realized that I was experiencing fear caused by ignorance. Not understanding what is biologically going on can be manifested through the imagination.

Since I suffer from sleep paralysis often, I have become an expert on; when they occur, regulating my fears, and taking control.

I hope now some will understand why I keep saying, "Its all based upon biological mechanisms and exposure to pop culture (modern mythology)".

Your body has a built in mechanism, which puts you back to sleep when overtired. Sometimes your mind wakes up, but your biological clock is forcing everything else to stay asleep. It can be a little scary, but it is a natural human mechanism. Nightmares are formed by not understanding what is happening.

Its all psychological and biological. Aliens have nothing to do with it.

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posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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Exceptionally well written.

It is clear to me at least that these visitors are very probably inter dimensional.

The carl sagans and michio kaku's of the world seem to agree intergalactic, nay

even intersolar, travel can only be imagined with wormhole drives. Anything

less is implausible.

More logically the only interesting thing about this planet is it interests its own

inhabitants the most - be it from this time, or our future.

UFO activity and appearance is best described by quantum parallel photonic effect -

that is where one photon has one phase , another in a parallel plane may be

out of phase as a mirror image, such that one photon exists in multiple states

(spins, phases, wave function, etc) in multiple parallel dimensions - and zapping

in and out of dimensions travelling time and distance would certainly account for their

hyperdynamic flight paths and even their kaleidoscopic qualities (mirror images,

smaller ufo's breaking off main bodies, "triangles moving separately or as one" etC).

a lot of food for thought:

mil quantum computing

graham everett wheeler multiworld hypothesis

quantum state storage - star trek transporter style!



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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I absolutely believe you are correct, in your circumstances. Admittedly, I am skeptical about alien abductions in general, but I have to ask how such evidence as animal mutilations, witnesses, corroborating stories and other physical markings left on the human body come about?

While I certainly can see your point and have heard that argument before (and agree it sound slogical an dvery well may be the reality with the large majority of these kinds of cases), I have to wonder if your particular case should be generalized to encompass all accounts...?



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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I really enjoyed the video, exteremly well put together. Something of also thought about for quite sometime was mentioned at the very end of the clip, which is scenario manipulation. Something I think beings evolved past any form of feelings or enemies would be interested in knowing about. For some reason this all seems so familiar like I've seen it before.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 12:19 AM
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Really good video series...

thanks for the insights!



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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Great topic and well written. I hadn't really noticed the explanation of the fourth kind, but I think that's spiritual, shape shifting and or an entity?

I've yet to watch the videos, but just like some others here on this site, I also have my personal stories that also get little to no attention. It is pretty sad that we don't " publicly " have any physical evidence as in bizarre devices such as weapons or like the one shown in the one other video posted that heals surgical wounds instantly. Even with the mention of some of these I've held and used, people still aren't interested here. Makes me wonder if I'd had it, whether I'd bother sharing it anyway.

In the second video, there was the mention why they more interested in us personally. I think that answer is obvious the way we study animals in their natural environments.

The other thing is the strong possibility that they also share our thoughts and memories. It's also been suggested that they can even inhabit human bodies as if replacing the human soul, sprit and personality, as if to try to be like us. It may be that it's too difficult for them to handle our range of emotions and imagination. It almost seems as if they lack imagination or sense of self.
I suppose it depends on the species and or if they're actually biological.

The one video showed what apeared to be insect like movements of the head. I've recalled having seen this myself. Whether what I'd seen was real or staged events like special effects is still unknown for sure, but does seem strongly possible by some memories.

It's sorta like Hollywood mind games.

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posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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Always thumbs way up for George Knapp!

Even if we put extraterrestrials out of the equation, there is a compelling phenomenon worthy of public intrigue and scientific investigation. Just saying that all these abductees are just a bunch of delusional or deranged people isn’t enough to explain away the matter. You would still have to wonder why there’s a bunch of mass hallucinations and sleep paralysis featuring aliens abducting people. Whether you believe that they are just modern folklore, whether you have a religious view on it all, it’s a "subject" that deserves more seriousness than the typical debunking or ridicule.

Thread deserve S+F for a reminder!



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:06 AM
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i'm not 100% on the abductions stories, maybe 50% sold . . . you know, in the 'open mind' range

but sleep paralysis?

only useful when explaining away abductions that occur while sleeping (duh) whereas many credible abduction accounts (and episodes of lost time) begin with a 'victim' who is wide awake.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by SecretGoldfish
but sleep paralysis?

only useful when explaining away abductions that occur while sleeping (duh) whereas many credible abduction accounts (and episodes of lost time) begin with a 'victim' who is wide awake.


SecretGoldfish,
Sure it does. When you are experiencing the paralysis, you are also partially awake at that moment. You can hear and smell the content of the environment. What your mind is doing is similar to scratching the top of a coffin (while burred six feet below the surface). Your yelling for help internally. Since you cannot discriminate between sounds, your imagination fills in the missing pieces. All the visual and audio content being experienced is translated through the imagination. Everything seems real.

Some versions of sleep paralysis make you feel wide awake. Within this version of sleep paralysis, the event is completely being played out in the imagination. Instead of your mind waking fully up, the forces of the body quickly pull you under. Your mind only wakes up to experience the paralysis for a few moments, but it is enough time to affect your REM cycle. Unlike the first version of sleep paralysis, the second version is much more scary. Since you didn't hit the surface long enough, you have no point of reference to discriminate between reality and fantasy. Its similar to the box within a box trick. Once you open the outer box, there is a smaller box hidden within the first. Coma within a dream. Your imagination fills in the blanks.

Sometimes you can have both versions at once. When you experience a combination of symptoms, your experiences feel like days are being played out. You feel like six hours have passed, but in reality two hours have passed.

Alien abduction nightmares are not the only themes. During one of my experiences, I experienced a similar set of criteria. Sleeping paralysis, levitation, etc... Instead of an alien abduction being played out, I was experiencing an encounter with what I call a humanoid demon. Its pretty freaky.

open_eyeballs,
I will get back to your answer later. Since I am at work, I do not have enough time to get into detail. One of the answers to your question is sleep walking. When people finally fall back to sleep, they end up hurting themselves by sleep walking. Its messed up.


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posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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excellent must read/view!



clear presentation of facts that shows "sitting on the fence" is an undefendable position.

though, for most of us here, just reinforcing what we already know/feel/believe or have experienced firsthand.

wish they would have gone a bit more into screened memories and implanted/fabricated images. would like to learn more about the blocks (besides missing time) that the hypnosis helps work around. i've heard a lot about screening techniques - like using the image of an animal or bird to cover up their presence and ease the mind.
how many people have theses sorts of experiences but aren't even aware because of successful screening? could be thousands.

also - sleep paralysis seems like a bit of a cop out. i'm sure it can account for a number of experiences, but its too narrow of an explanation for such a complex phenomenon.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Wifiwupding
if there is evidence that ive missed that aliens exist on this planet can someone show me because some deluded retards saying they have been abducted is not evidence

Yes, because people just go around saying they've been abducted just for the fun if it.


Do some research. You might learn something.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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A few points on this subject that we need to bear in mind.

First of all there will be the lunatic fringe making up this sort of thing too fulfill their delusions. Sad but inevitable.

However there would seam to be far too many cases that for sure deserve a full investigation.

In stead on witch they are heavily subject to the giggle factor.

This in it’s self is a strange prospect considering how many people it seams to be affecting. Indeed this may be why, just think about the papers that where written in the 50’s concerning contact.

I also suspect that this forum is subject to inspection by people who are paid to implement those said papers so watch out for them while reading.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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People who don't like being sheeple will likely keep an open mind, especially on a conspiracy site. Once you lose trust in the system, it takes you in many new directions.

I've recalled having been in some way through a lot of related mind control games for most of my life........or so it would seem. Imagine someone being able to plant false childhood memories when you're an adult. That's some intense mind control program.

Coming here is very much like group therapy and it's much cheaper too.


If I had another x-ray that showed the implants I've seen in x-rays before, I doubt many here would believe it anyway. It's odd that 'others' as in damage control, would show up when this came out in the doctors office. Fun stories anyway.

The giggle factor is more evident from the disbelievers or those still in denial. ( nervous laughter)

I'd still like to see a poll or survey done here for those who believe they've seen UFOs and or been abducted.

I've found a few survey sites in the past and it seems that I usually get a third of the questions as having been a likely abductee. Unfortunately, if you've also been diagnosed as having some mental illness, they really don't want to hear from you. I guess that would be under the crazy statistics.

I don't think abductions and experiences can be done so easily in a poll by percentages. If only one out of ten would be considered as more likely, many would just be excluded to save time and money......unless they can afford it.

Psychiatrists who specialize in abduction scenarios and regression hypnosis FMRI polygraph etc.

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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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I read an article about beings called "Jinn" they are entities that supposedly live in our world but cannot be seen by us. Interdimensional beings that are capable of coming into our world and interacting with us. They also have the same likes and dislikes as us and are capable of good or bad behaviour also it is said that they are addicted to abducting humans.





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