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Fox News says that bin Laden is a Nazi

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posted on May, 17 2004 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Djarums
White-Supremacist/Neo-Nazi groups have time and time again proved that they are made up of absolutely the stupidest members of American society.


Well thats true, most of them are stupid white Americans, but a few are intelligent people. The intelligent ones are probably the ones who are linked to Islamic extremist.




posted on May, 17 2004 @ 04:18 PM
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I don't think Bin Laden is a Nazi, I mean no-one really knows who is to be honest, All we know of him is through video's he and his crew send out and from the news corperations who usually have sum kind of bias. John Uk



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 04:11 AM
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Hello,i'm not sure what to say other than whats on my mind.To begin with,I would like to let you all know I am a neo-nazi myself and have joined up for this discussion specifically,I thought maybe my view would be a nice addition,there are a few thing's I would like to point out as well.

First off in response to the remark about neo-nazi's not being religious I do have to say otherwise,there are quite a few religious neo-nazis and infact many group's which are all christian or consider themselves in this movement just to fight for their belief's,like christian identities belief that we are the chosen race and the original 13 tribes of israel were aryan.Along side this are the belief's that the jew's are the spawn of satan and all other non-white's are souless mud people doing the work of the jew's and that there will be a holy war in which need's to be won by the white race in order for christ to return.

Second off I would like to say that many member's of the movement are smarter then you might like to hear,and if there is any sort of alliance it would most likely be funding/armorment/and cohesion of attack's,members of my movement will not be suicide bombers,we'll leave that to the extremist's because they believe they'll go to heaven,not us.We also have different goal's,whereas the extremist's wish to stop American aid of Israel and the so-called"destruction of islamic society"(through such thing's as alcohol,American expansion of capitalism,'liberating muslim women',etc. etc.).Member's of my movement do not infact wish for that,they...we...wish for an Aryan state,whether in America or Europe,and will fight for that,as we do not already have one.

Third off I would like to point out that there are many different"sub-movements"within the overall movement.Neo-Nazi's,the Klan,White Nationalist's,White Supremacists,etc. etc. all have different belief's,or reason's for these belief's.The only single connection might be either their goal's,or general belief in WP(White Power)or"racism".

And Lastly,so as to clarify the thing about both the extremist nation's and Aryan Nation's going to war with eachother if either is victorious and then the idea that we will occupy seperate territories is a largely debated topic among the movement in itself.I personally would not like to this second one in action,as with ideal's such as mine you just simply can not trust people with ideal's such as their's.We would not like to risk the total destruction of the white race by either giving them"time to breath"before they decide they don't like how a National Socialist society a few mile's away may effect their own.I do hope that the risk of integration is worth not finishing any sort of war between both movement's. On a perhap's better note...I sincerely believe that everybody within my movement,certainly myself,would indeed give their own live's in wiping all non-white(or anti-white)element's off of this earth in order to allow these'normal'citizen's,which I hear so much about,a decent life rid of most(of course you can't get rid of all)criminal and social parasite's in today's world.

Any question's would be appreciated and of course flaming is expected,but I would prefer to do without it as I get so much in everyday life already.I'm just here for you all to understand.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 05:01 AM
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like christian identities belief that we are the chosen race and the original 13 tribes of israel were aryan


I am VERY curious as to how the Tribes of Israel who - if you believe the Bible, which you seem to - were born and lived in the Middle East could be "Aryan".

Which part of the classic description of "Aryan" could these people possibly fit into being that the term refers to Caucasians typically with Nordic features i.e. blond hair, blue eyes. That's not much like middle eastern.

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posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 07:55 AM
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I infact do not believe in the bible and am not religious beyond my belief's of Valhalla,and if you read further into the subject the Aryan's infact conquered much of southern asia if that help's their case,the name Iran come's from Aryan.And if not aryan inparticular,they do infact believe the original 13 tribe's(which some say the 13 stars on the rebel flag represent to many now-a-days,it is used in this way quite commonly among subscriber's to christian identity)were infact white rather than hebrew.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 08:22 AM
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Also,just to clear up any future mistake's I do not claim to know everything about christian identity or anything in that sense,I am not a believer in any of that but do try my best to understand every aspect of my movement,so I will defend them as best I can but until someone that actually does believe in such thing's come's along I can not fully defend them.I also thought you might be interested though that in the bible inwhich many of you must be familiar with it does say that the arab is the result of both a jew and negro mixture.I would also like to point out that many chapter's of the christian bible are missing and nobody know's who infact wrote the bible,so this is a subject that can't be debated with too many facts now can it? It is faith pure and simple. Oh and before I go I can't help but point out that the kabbalah refer's to all non-jew's as cattle and not as human's.So I depart on that note.Good day,all



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 08:40 AM
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Bootsandbraces88, are you "hijacking" this thread to demonstrate the terrorist / Nazi connection?

You seem intent on "defending" your beliefs despite no one attacking them.

Does that tell you anything?



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 09:51 AM
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There is that old saying: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".....it wouldn't surprise me to see Al Qaeda attempting to affiliate with any and every rightest and leftist whacko group, insurgent, agent provacateur, or any other enemy of the United States. The fact that funding for "neo's" is not at all surprising. And remember, the radical muslims and the neos share a common "enemy": Judaism.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by MachineGunKelly
The fact that funding for "neo's" is not at all surprising. And remember, the radical muslims and the neos share a common "enemy": Judaism.


MachineGunKelly, exactly. The Waffen SS even had a arab section, saw it on a documentry, and they both have the same feeling of hatred against Judaism and Zionism aswell. As i said before, im not suprised by this link


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posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 07:25 PM
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RANT,I am not hijacking anything and I am just here because I thought you all might like my view and opinion,since I am infact part of what you're all talking about I thought i'd just clear thing's up for some of you as best as I can,and I was merely defending belief's inwhich I do not have,those being christian identity against Dj,who actually did attack me and my comrade's with his false facts/accusation's of how we are somehow the stupidest members of society.

Mod Edit: Removed Racist Content.

[edit on 18-7-2004 by UM_Gazz]



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 07:53 PM
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BootsnBraces,

So what's your opinion on David Myatt? (for those who don't know of him he was leader of Combat 18 , who later allegedly converted to Islam, under the name "Abdul Aziz Ibn Myatt". Wrote various practical terrorist manuals, and was considered a major Aryan theologian.)

Is he still a relevant figure? Is he really a muslim now, or is he just trying to stir up trouble? Is he working towards the temporary alliance you talk about, or has he lost it?



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 08:00 PM
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Hey, where did the skinhead go?

I can guess actually his posts were deleted for racist content.. hopefully he hasn't been Article 58'ed yet. I was hoping we could learn at least a bit about were he was coming from..



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 08:40 PM
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The connection is through the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood are the remants of the Hitler allied Grand Mufti as this timeline points out www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/timeline-2.htm . The Muslim Brotherhood wanted Pan Arabism. They took the Nazi fascist model and substitued "Arab" Supremacy for "Aryan" Supremacy. Osama bin Laden hooked up with Aiman Al Zarkawi, who had been jailed with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for trying to overthrow the government. He had mentored under Al Halabi in Khartoum, Sudan (the crisis there is due in large part to this guy). Al Halabi was an Islamist and a Muslim Brotherhood radical. Enter Osama and you get extreme Wahabee Islam with the Nazi remnants of the fascist pan-Arabism. Osama and Al Zarkawi holed up in Khartoum before going off to Afghanistan.

The tribalism in Afghanistan had the biggest impact on the merged entity.

The Muslim world has turned away from captialism, which has failed them miserably, and was ready to turn away from the Marxist idealogy too. They were receptive to strict religious fundementalism because it protects the poor under pain of Allah. If all men must abide by the Quran then the must take care of one another and this ensures some measure of equality. This is the attraction that causes the poor and oppressed to support Osama bin Laden. He is talking to them not only as Muslims, but as equal human beings with one text in common and that text demands that they will get their share as well. If they have to die for it all will still be well because Allah will reward them. In a topsy-turvy world, the Quran offers a set standard of behavior that all people must abide by if they are to be true believers.

Of course, they also share the hatred of the Jews and learned their terrorism techniques from Black September, Hizballah, Hamas and all of Arafats crazies.

I think this is how it all comes together. You get fascism, Arab supremecy and religions extremism all in one shebang. Then you get an bit of anarcho-syndacalism arising from tribalism that allows these cells to operate with one not knowing of the other.

Yes then, Osama bin Laden is an anarcho-syndacalist nazi Islamic fundamentalist
. All of that, and charisma will get you a lot of converts. It's very scary if you ask me!



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 09:01 PM
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wow.. informative post peshmerga.
thanks!



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 09:14 PM
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I think this is how it all comes together. You get fascism, Arab supremecy and religions extremism all in one shebang. Then you get an bit of anarcho-syndacalism arising from tribalism that allows these cells to operate with one not knowing of the other.


So what we get is an amalgamation of the most venomous aspects of some of the most dangerous ideologies the world over. Yikes!



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 09:38 PM
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This is interesting..

www.wordiq.com...


So in the first world war, Al-Husseini fought with the Ottoman empire.. Doesn't that mean he was fighting AGAINST the arabs?



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 09:46 PM
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Well, folks, I did a search, and there's no article anywhere that I've seen (on a news source) that says Bin Laden is a Nazi. Or a neo-Nazi.

Given the difference in the aims and methods of both groups, I find it hard to believe, anyway. Chalk this up to unsubstantiated rumor.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 09:55 PM
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I don't know Byrd, the leading neo-nazi philosopher IS a big bin Laden fan. Did you try googling "David Myatt". Scary bloke. As the neo-nazi guy who's posts have been deleted said.. in the sort term, their aims are very much the same.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 11:26 PM
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I do acknowledge that these 2 groups (White Supremacists and Islamic Extremists) have some enemies in common, but I think it should also be understood that the 2 groups don't exactly hold each other in high regard and would probably kill each other at the earliest opportunity as well. The Islamic extremists would see the white supremacists as infidels and the white supremacists would see the islamic extremists as inferior beings who don't deserve to live or have any rights. If there would be a close alliance between the two today I dont think it would last long.



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 12:47 AM
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It is true. This I have known for a long time.

Like, a few years back, post 9/11, a bunch of fools on the National Alliance, the largest and best organized white supremecist group in the US, held multiple anti Israel-Pro Palestine.

On several occasions, Thenational Alliance has also offered to help support Palestinian terrorists. When 9/11 happened, a bunch of people in the World Church of the Creator, a white supremecist cult, were praising the 9/11 attacks. Several groups in the US have praised Islamic terrorists in thier fight against "the Eternal Jew".

So this is nothing new. I think its a great idea. These losers make it known they ally themselves with terrorists and promote attacks on thier own country, it will be the end of support for them, and many people who might have joined them will turn on them.



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