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Originally posted by newworld
then how do you plan to enforce it?
i have suggested, what I believe is the best way to compromise both sides of the debate, by allowing abortion to be legal as long as it is done before the fetus gains pain receptors.
It would be much better if no laws were necessary to enforce this, but it should be clear that as long as there are no laws that set some sort of limit to when an abortion becomes illegal then we will continue to see this form of debate.
Originally posted by nerbot
Until that "entity" becomes unattached it is part of the host and not two seperate "people".
Originally posted by nerbot
Originally posted by newworld
then how do you plan to enforce it?
I don't.
i have suggested, what I believe is the best way to compromise both sides of the debate, by allowing abortion to be legal as long as it is done before the fetus gains pain receptors.
So you are trying to define "person" are you?
It would be much better if no laws were necessary to enforce this, but it should be clear that as long as there are no laws that set some sort of limit to when an abortion becomes illegal then we will continue to see this form of debate.
And as things stand there are pregnant women and possible fathers who have choices they can make for themselves along with help from proffessionals (non-legal)....that's a good thing. Take those choices away and you can have one unhappy father, one unhappy mother and probably an unhappy and even disfunctional kid.
What point is there bringing a child into a world when that world would not be a good one?
Is THAT not the CRUELEST thing?
Originally posted by newworld
There HAS to be a definition for when a fetus becomes a "person". It obviously is not at the moment of conception, for at that stage it is not even human yet but only a mass of cells that has potential for being human.
Originally posted by newworld
Is a chicken egg a chicken? is a seed a tree? When is a seed considered a tree or an egg considered a chicken?
Originally posted by Witness2008
Again I ask....How many of the moral crusaders on this thread have ever looked into the eyes of an unwanted or abandoned child and offered any assistance to that child?
I suggest turning words into deeds.
Imagine you are sitting in a lab with a young child. The lab contains a small fridge containing one hundred frozen embryos. Suddenly, there is a fire in the lab and you can either grab the child and run out or grab the small fridge containing the embryos and run out. What would you do? Your answer should answer the question whether you consider a child's life equal to the life of an embryo
From an article by Ayesha Khanna
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by ModernAcademia
I don't buy into the whole 'abortion is murder' bollocks. Up to a certain point the bloody thing is a zygote or an egg with no thought processes of it's own (I am waiting to hear from someone claiming they do have them - that will be a laugh a minute).
I can totally understand not aborting after a certain age, like when they form a brain and arms and legs, but until then the debate is ridiculous.
Personally I think that if a woman wants to abort a baby then she should be allowed that choice without being taunted, bullied or spoken to in any way that is derogatory just because her beliefs are different to yours or someone elses.
Originally posted by newworld
There HAS to be a definition for when a fetus becomes a "person".
I can totally understand not aborting after a certain age, like when they form a brain and arms and legs, but until then the debate is ridiculous.
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by nerbot
Until that "entity" becomes unattached it is part of the host and not two seperate "people".
so never mind that it has its own DNA, doesnt DNA determine individuality?
also nevermind that if the baby is left alone it WILL eventually grow into a human adult
Originally posted by Witness2008
Women who are faced with the gut wrenching, life altering decision as to whether they should, or could take on the mind boggling responsibility that is birthed with that child should in my opinion be left in the trusted hands of family and doctors, leaving total strangers that attempt to butt in out in the cold where they belong.
Again I ask....How many of the moral crusaders on this thread have ever looked into the eyes of an unwanted or abandoned child and offered any assistance to that child?
I suggest turning words into deeds.
Is interesting that the real term of a fetus should be a parasite as a fetus in early times of gestation can not survive without the womb of the host.
What many are forgeting while into their own personal choices and opinions and don't understand is that regulating something that is a parasite early in gestation and giving a right is the same as taking away the rights of a women's to have any decisions about their womb.