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Is the "Holy Vatican" of Satan?!?!

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posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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Book of Joshua, chapter 6, 6th word. the word is Nun, Joshua is the 6th book of the bible. Joshua=6+6+6=Nun, they give their "sisters" the Title of "Nun", which coincides with the number of the beast..... Also, The first pope declared "The Position of Pope and God are on in the same" if this doesn't do it for you I don't know what will.... Christianity is not evil, just the BIGGEST, MOST RECOGNIZED FORM OF IT MAY BE!

Some other Examples

"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope."
On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous"

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

now, in the eyes of "Christians" that is Believers of Christ Jesus as the Son of God, this would be the HIGHEST form of BLASPHEMY

Your thoughts on the issue please. Open for free discussion, please keep it civil as well as an open mind.



[edit on 28-9-2009 by clever024]




posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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Good thread,

For the pope to get me to believe he is "one and the same as god" t i would like him to cure my illness (chronic long term pancreatic dysfunction) with the laying on of hands.
Then i would like him to feed five thousand people with five dollars, and walk on the deepest part of the pacific ocean.
ive got my fingerz crossed for the last one.

I hope he will try that first.
Somehow i dont think a former NAZI is the one and same as god just because a document written before he was born says he is.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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Read the linked ebook by an old English Pastor named Alexander Hislop called "The Two Babylons". It will answer that question for you and more! Its an academic read written many years ago, but it will answer anything you want to know.

The Two Babylons



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:37 AM
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thanks for the info. I don't need any more "proof" of anything then what i already have.... but for others it will be useful... again thank you very much for your contribution



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences.

Explanation: S&F!

I agree with what your OP implies but IMO it doesn't go far enough and I have made numerous threads regarding the evil that is the abrahamic faiths bible and not just the religions it has spawned.

Specifically and with reference to Joshua and his corruptness is my thread Here.

This thread of mine Here goes on to show further corruption of the OT.

This thread of mine Here questions the validity of Jesus as the only beggoten son of God.

This thread of mine Here discusses the origins of Original Sin and how it is used by the Abrahamic Religious PTB to manipulate and control its flock of sheeple!

This thread of mine Here directly questions YHVH's morality and therefor his validity as a moral God.

Personal Disclosure: The biggest blasphemy is really to promote ignorance by not going far enough...a half truth is a whole lie!



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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I don't think I want to step in this "pile"...

But I suggest you read Malachi Martin's "Windswept House".

Malachi was a Catholic Priest and Vatican Insider not unsympathetic to Catholism. His argument is that the church has been taken over by forces of evil.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:52 AM
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Well, Im Catholic (Supposedly) and I know that the Church is the evolution of the Roman empire for political control.

But, if you are saying that Catholicism is the worshipping of satan and all practising catholics are blaspheming satan worshippers when they are simply Christian, you are sadly mistaken.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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Im referring to the Vatican, not Catholics.... sorry for the misunderstanding... I know many good Catholics that worship God, in the name of Christ and the Holy Ghost. I'm just saying that it's ministry (ministers/priests/cardinals/popes) aren't exactly God loving/fearing people, the congregation on the other hand, I have no problem with. It's the views of the Vatican as an almighty entity in itself i have a problem with



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:19 AM
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I have an in-depth article posted on here showing all the descriptions the Roman Catholic Church meets as given in the Bible for the antichrist/beast.

www.belowtopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by The X
Somehow i dont think a former NAZI is the one and same as god just because a document written before he was born says he is.


Could you please explain how the Pope is a former NAZI? Because, if you are referring to his having been a member of the Hitler Youth, that is a profoundly ignorant statement, and an insult to all Germans of a particular age.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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Begotten
1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.

in reference to Jesus, virgin birth. other "Sons of God" are "Through Christ" also the meaninig of "Christ" is The Anointed. if you read further into the book of John, at his baptism, the "spirit of the Lord" or "Holy Spirit" descended upon him "like a dove" God has many Sons and Daughters.... but the Holy Spirit, is actually Part of the Godhead if you refer back to gen 1:26 when it says "let US create man to OUR image to OUR likeness" it implies more than one with a singularity, which most people think imply a trinity when in fact there is only ONE holy spirit, and if you read revelations It says the Son of God is the Alpha and Omega, 2 titles for 1 entity. also the bible says "Jesus is never coming back" stated by Jesus himself. instead, The Holy Spirit will come in his name, exalting Him. the reason why the Jews saught to stone Jesus when he said "Before your father Abraham was born "I AM" was not because he exalted himself over Abraham, it's because he called himself God. now, unless he was HIGHLY DELUSIONAL no Jew in their right mind would make such a statement. also, in the book of John it says, all things where created through him, and because of him all things exist. Implying that he is in fact part of the Godhead. Jesus in the physical form was born but the "Astral" Jesus always has been, and always will be.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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I do agree that in fact the scriptures have been tampered with, and meanings and truths hidden and taken out of context in order to manipulate and control people by the council of Nicea *SP* but honestly, I do believe in the God of Abraham, I do believe that Jesus WAS Christ, and I do Believe that there is a Holy Spirit that will come into this world and convict of sin, however, I am a messianic Jew, I used to be agnostic until I discovered personally after fasting and praying for 9 days when on strong hallucinagens *SP* how real God is in fact, and I actually did it by REJECTING Jesus.... I had no belief in ANY man as God, and why would ANY God NEED a SON. because when you think about it why would ANY GOD need ANYTHING... i propose this to you "I am..." "Lonely, am I?" "I AM.... Lonely" as for the life we live here and now, its a test of faith/will/understanding/endurance. but don't take it too seriously NO ONE MAKES IT OUT ALIVE
.also think about this Son of Man=som +som=mosT=+som=sum=TOTAL now Jesus said the son of man will return. thus completing the trinity som=sum=Total accoms razor - the simplest answer is usually the correct one



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by clever024
reply to post by OmegaLogos
 


Begotten
1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.

in reference to Jesus, virgin birth. other "Sons of God" are "Through Christ" also the meaninig of "Christ" is The Anointed. if you read further into the book of John, at his baptism, the "spirit of the Lord" or "Holy Spirit" descended upon him "like a dove" God has many Sons and Daughters.... but the Holy Spirit, is actually Part of the Godhead if you refer back to gen 1:26 when it says "let US create man to OUR image to OUR likeness" it implies more than one with a singularity, which most people think imply a trinity when in fact there is only ONE holy spirit, and if you read revelations It says the Son of God is the Alpha and Omega, 2 titles for 1 entity. also the bible says "Jesus is never coming back" stated by Jesus himself. instead, The Holy Spirit will come in his name, exalting Him. the reason why the Jews saught to stone Jesus when he said "Before your father Abraham was born "I AM" was not because he exalted himself over Abraham, it's because he called himself God. now, unless he was HIGHLY DELUSIONAL no Jew in their right mind would make such a statement. also, in the book of John it says, all things where created through him, and because of him all things exist. Implying that he is in fact part of the Godhead. Jesus in the physical form was born but the "Astral" Jesus always has been, and always will be.


Hi clever/
Well said!
A few words to the Original poster....
Catholic means Universal,therefore the post reads wrong and is misleading!
Does the Roman Catholic church worship Satan?
No it does not!
Is the Roman Catholic Church in practise with the teachings of the Apostles through Jesus Christ?
No,they have added new canon laws that very much differ to the 7 Ecumenical councils agreed by the early fathers of the church.

ICXC NIKA
helen



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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there Helen, thanks for the clarification, i changed it to "Holy Vatican" as not to offend Universalism Catholicism.... it's merely to shed light on the possible Lucerferian on goings within the realms of the most powerful religious organization on the planet.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by UMayBRite!
I don't think I want to step in this "pile"...

But I suggest you read Malachi Martin's "Windswept House".

Malachi was a Catholic Priest and Vatican Insider not unsympathetic to Catholism. His argument is that the church has been taken over by forces of evil.


I am going to purchase that book, I had heard of it years ago but forgot the name. It is almost unfathomable to imagine the Vatican being comprised of satan worshippers but there are those who claim that is the case. But we know for a fact there has been a lot of child abuse. I have read a couple of different articles lately that say witches have been infiltrating by joining up as nuns for quite awhile. Even with these claims it is hard to believe. But I am leaning towards believing it more and more.

I do think the body of the church, the parishoners, are totally innocent and are being duped although I think they distract from the main issue which is Christ, with all their rituals, and the worshipping of Mary. I met a Catholic man who really knew almost nothing about Jesus but could tell you all about Mary.

Thanks for the book referral. I am always on the lookout for a good one.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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thats really sad about the catholic man who doesn't really know about Jesus... Mary may have been his mom, but over all she is really a minute detail in the whole ordeal and complexity of the religion. Fatima worshipers, St. worshipers, everything except for the Father, all these FALSE IDOLS have infiltrated a supposed "Christian" religion. It really disgusts me. but any way. continue on with the conversation.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by clever024
reply to post by helen670
 


there Helen, thanks for the clarification, i changed it to "Holy Vatican" as not to offend Universalism Catholicism.... it's merely to shed light on the possible Lucerferian on goings within the realms of the most powerful religious organization on the planet.


Hi Clever/


Thank you,
I didn't know you could Edit/change the heading, after it was posted!


ICXC NIKA
helen



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by clever024
Book of Joshua, chapter 6, 6th word. the word is Nun, Joshua is the 6th book of the bible. Joshua=6+6+6=Nun, they give their "sisters" the Title of "Nun", which coincides with the number of the beast.....


Sorry... it comes from a Latin word, meaning "tutor."
www.etymonline.com...

The 6th word of the Book of Joshua, Chapter 6, is " 'amar" -- "They said"... as you can see if you check your Biblical concordance (the Bible was not originally written in English, so the word order you see is not what was originally there.) Nun/Nuwn is the third word in that chapter.
www.blueletterbible.org...

And the books were not originally divided into chapters and verses. The division of chapter and verse came about in 1227 ... by a Catholic.
www.gotquestions.org...



Also, The first pope declared "The Position of Pope and God are on in the same" if this doesn't do it for you I don't know what will.... Christianity is not evil, just the BIGGEST, MOST RECOGNIZED FORM OF IT MAY BE!


Do you have sources for the ORIGINAL material (not the English translations)? I'd like to see what they REALLY said (it would be written in Latin.)



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by clever024
Book of Joshua, chapter 6, 6th word. the word is Nun, Joshua is the 6th book of the bible. Joshua=6+6+6=Nun, they give their "sisters" the Title of "Nun", which coincides with the number of the beast.....


Sorry... it comes from a Latin word, meaning "tutor."
www.etymonline.com...

And the books were not originally divided into chapters and verses. The division of chapter and verse came about in 1227 ... by a Catholic.
www.gotquestions.org...




Also, The first pope declared "The Position of Pope and God are on in the same" if this doesn't do it for you I don't know what will.... Christianity is not evil, just the BIGGEST, MOST RECOGNIZED FORM OF IT MAY BE!


Do you have sources for the ORIGINAL material (not the English translations)? I'd like to see what they REALLY said (it would be written in Latin.)
I do not have a link but im sure if you did your own research you could find it. I did make a claim, sure i could back it up if i wanted to. no need to in my opinion as i stated many other sources which basically declare the same thing as in the OP however i would like to draw your attention to the BOLD and notice something you said "It was Divided by a Catholic" hence in the KJV the 6th word is nun... which may mean teacher/tutor, but none the less, is it any less valid of a claim, and in my opinion an even more valid claim seeing a catholic themselves chose the order in which to divide.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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organisations reflect personalities,

people are all good, react from the justification they grew,
and can choose to rest in it or grow further.
rest = ignorance, growth = cross

organisations are not evil, people who ignore, allow insanity
to take over... organisations reflect how people are.

people are not evil either, but can choose to make it to easy
for themselves. ignorance is allowing insanity to take over the world.
insanity is not evil, it is being over the borders of what you can take,
it is the opposite of ignorance, but those that ignore could stop insanity,
if they would start growing.

If people harm their kids mostly it is because of insanity,
lossing ground with their hearts, not because they are evil.
evil is a sense does not exsist. real evil is ignorance.

the nwo is overrated, whatever reactions organisations will do,
it is allowed by people, not evil ones, but ignorant or growing people,
parts of them in insanity.





[edit on 28-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]



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