'World Leader' to Obama: Explain Why 'They're Putting a Hitler Moustache On You'

'World Leader' to Obama: Explain Why 'They're Putting a Hitler Moustache On You'

blogs .abcnews.com

"He says, 'Barack, explain to me this health care debate.'

"He says, 'We don't understand it. You're trying to make sure everybody has health care and they're putting a Hitler mustache on you -- I don't -- that doesn't make sense to me. Explain that to me.'"

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this article sums up my feelings on this topic. In this country, even in the worst of times, we are much better off than the majority of the world. I believe there a great deal of people who are not so much ignorant as they are just influenced by right wingers who prefer to name-call or fact spin rather than present the truth (respect to respectable republicans).

I will point out, however, that I dislike that they don't disclose the name of the supposed world leader and wouldn't be surprised if this was some kind of publicity stunt.

still, I find this applicable here. some of you throw the word "nazi" around like it just means someone who you do not agree with.

This may not be the best country in the world anymore but I still love it. We're not victims who are oppressed by a fascist dictatorship.

Oh, and we're most certainly not socialist either in case someone told you that. Nobody's mandating how many children you can have or telling you what your job should be, and I would bet my life that no law ever will.

blogs .abcnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 28-9-2009 by piddles]

[edit on 28-9-2009 by piddles]

Your right - nothing is wrong - everything is peachy - there is no fascism in America - the NWO is a figment of deluded minds ..

Originally posted by Amagnon
Your right - nothing is wrong - everything is peachy - there is no fascism in America - the NWO is a figment of deluded minds ..

see, your sarcasm is really extreme and kind of attacking me (implying that I'm deluded). I didn't say nothing is wrong. It's more like, hey use a real argument, don't just call him a nazi.


or tell me in detail why he's a nazi or comparable to Hitler

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“He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.”
— Adolf Hitler

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
— Adolf Hitler

I could make or find a list of hundreds of very silly similarities bordering on lies, but those two quotes bring up two very large similarities.

Obama would not be president today if it wasn't for his outrageously strong support from young voters and promise of change change change.

Please don't label me as a right wing nut for thinking this, I believe both parties are equally wrong.

[edit on 28-9-2009 by Traffic]

Originally posted by Amagnon
Your right - nothing is wrong - everything is peachy - there is no fascism in America - the NWO is a figment of deluded minds.

I don't think the OP is saying "nothing is wrong", just that most of the people complaining of late are making some extreme connections that in reality just don't pan out. It's all this talk of "brown shirts" and "death squads" that make those criticisms look as if they are coming from paranoid and delusional minds.

There are many things we can criticize about our current leadership but present-day America isn't Nazi Germany and we aren't living in an obvious dictatorship.

I say obvious because I personally believe we are being manipulated and controlled but in a more insidious fashion that the one being pushed by some that are simply trying to bash the president and instigate fear in other citizens strictly for political reasons.

Originally posted by piddles
some of you throw the word "nazi" around like it just means someone who you do not agree with.

Sadly they insult people who actually do know what that means.

This may not be the best country in the world anymore but I still love it. We're not victims who are oppressed by a fascist dictatorship.

Most of the right-wing pundits and other influential media forces are pushing that ridiculous perspective on a group of frightened and gullible citizens that for the most part have no idea what it's even like to live in a dictatorship.

The fact that people are even allowed the opportunity to openly bash their country's leadership in almost every possible forum is a sure sign that the cries of "Hitler" and "Nazi dictatorship" are coming from a clueless bunch of fearful and dramatic people.

Try doing that in China, Saudi Arabia, or Russia then get back to me about dictatorship either from your new cell or via a Ouija board because you're toast!

- Lee

Originally posted by Traffic
Obama would not be president today if it wasn't for his outrageously strong support from young voters and promise of change change change.

"Outrageous" support and grandiose claims of reform and change is what usually makes any politician the winner.

It's all part of the democratic process and the political gamesmanship.

Nothing new or shocking there unless you haven't been paying attention to politics very much.

I think most people are just shocked that people supported him more than McCain and want to put some sort of mystical spin on it to make it seem like a vile or unnatural event.

If it were the opposite, McCain would be the winner.
That wouldn't make McCain Hitler either.



- Lee

EDIT: Clarity

[edit on 28-9-2009 by lee anoma]

lee, if we could high-five...

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by Traffic
Obama would not be president today if it wasn't for his outrageously strong support from young voters and promise of change change change.

If it were the opposite, McCain would be the winner.
That wouldn't make McCain Hitler either.


[edit on 28-9-2009 by lee anoma]

Of course it would, if John McCain was the president there would be claims and parallels between him and Hitler as well. That's the nature of a multiple party system today isn't it?

He is entering our personal lives on levels I do not wish for or need...

School

Health

I think in Principal the man has the right ideas, but when you start talking mandates on our lives people become upset, I am one of those people.

The govt simply can never do a better job than I

I don't care if I pay a bit more for people to have health care, I however do not want it for myself and children because I fear mandatory treatments and this swine flu vaccine indicates to me that I can and will be forced to receive treatments that honestly and truely i do not need or want.

Possibility of mandated summers in school and compulsory service, I am divorced that essentially would have me paying for children I will never see or raise even part time, my children are straight A students yet they could be taken from my life most of what time I have with them...

There are many other factors...

but those are currently my pet peeves

If you know me and have read my health posts I was diagnosed with several "incurable" diseases a couple years back... one of the "medical" recommendations was removal of 3 feet of my intestines, another was to put me insulin a third was medication.

I fear under Obama Care, i'd have no choice in refusing those treatments

2 years later, I am fine, no sign of any of those diseases... I did it by self treatment, if I had listened to them i'd be a shell of a man right now and I am athletic, healthy and strong as an ox...

I would never become dependent on big Pharma I would never receive chemo or injections daily and would fight and rather loose my life than be forced to deal with what i consider medieval practices...

My children are smart because I teach them

I am going to never respect this nation if I loose my summers with my straight a students because many in this nation have parents thatare failures...

Obama...

I actually like his foreign policy, but he thinks poorly of us all...like we are all Ghetto parents and families that want his help

if he offered it willingly, I'd really like the man...

But at every turn I see my life being downgraded in order to promote those who are the lowest links in the chain, I think those people need help. IO am liberal that way, but I like to pay a doctor cash and tell him what I want after getting test results, I'm very bright I don't wish to be dictated to

I want ME to educate my children, they love me, adore me... and I do a good job, I want my relationship to not be spoiled because some kids have no parents to turn to...

Obama with a Mustache

He doesn't give to those who wants he mandates to everyone...

He thinks we are all fat lazy swine that need to be led.

And I wont be, I would go to any lengths in my life to avoid these things, he is frightening me in regards to my future...

I despise the man at this point, it would be the strongest will of my political life to see this man never serves a 2nd term, I will campaign furiously for ANYONE that comes along to not have my life down graded so.

We're not victims who are oppressed by a fascist dictatorship.

I agree with your sentiment to some extent, but, I can't agree with the quote above.

And what about the *Constitutional Free Zones*...

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

source

Like the man on the video states: "America falls neatly into each of the 14 points."

peace

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I think this picture just about sums it all up.

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Although to be fair, many of the people who carry these signs DO know how blatantly ridiculous the statements are - but are just looking for reactions and attention to their opinion. Of those who are unaware, they're generally no stupid... it's that they're suffering from extreme self-confirming bias wherein the issues and facts aren't considered with objectivity and rationality - but are subconsciously cherry picked and spun regardless of context in whatever way possible to try to support a preset position. They don't truly care about being correct in their statements. They just care about the support and advancement of their position, regardless of anything else.

It's most commonly observed in the mindsets of Religious Fundamentalists or advocates of Hardline Political Ideologies.

For example of an instance of proud acknowledgment of this, I refer to an actual useful citation of Answers in Genesis. From their "Statement of Faith" page, 4th section: Point 6.

By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

Reality, to them, is secondary to the justification of a presupposed position.



... Granted, don't get me wrong, there is also a big stupidity factor involved as well.

[edit on 28-9-2009 by Lasheic]

I have to admit, coming from an outsiders point of view, that I do not understand this whole health care debate either.

Here in Australia we have had a government-run health care system called Medicare for as long as I can remember. I can go to a doctor and pay just by handing them my Medicare card. I do not have to fret about having a large bill just because I went and got myself a cold or something.

There are things that Medicare doesn't cover, like elective surgery for instance, and Dental care (although us Aussies have been pushing for that for some time now) but honestly I do not know where we would be as a country without a public health care system like Medicare.

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It is the simple cold hard fact that your missing

Many of us in America Can not trust our own people with that kind of power, Corruption in the States is so rampant that... I can not trust doctors...

Greed...

They WILL sell your life for a buck, Many doctors do not give a good damn weather you live or die, they will experiment on you to get grants for more research, they will push medications they know are harmful if big pharma makes money.

There are many good people, but greed and corruption and a fundamental lack of values leaves me no choice but to distrust motives even in something like medical treatment

Most of our troops are there to pay for college

Our Doctors went to med school to get rich not to heal

Our politicians are bought and sold by corporations and special interests daily

Most lawyers are there to become wealthy and sell clients right up the river every day.

Corruption, Greed Amoral...

It's true

A large cross section of America is filled with people who are awful

You are right, for the naive Americans, for those overseas who KNOW Health care SHOULD be great

But i'll say what other Americans wont...

You simply can't trust them unless your stupid because much of our society is sick, diseased of morals and priorities...

We don't have legislators who wish to create fair laws Doctors whose love is to heal, teachers who want anything more than a job where they have many days off work...

Weare a people who lack across the board and to maybe as high as the 80% mark,,, cire ideals, decency... it's a society of ME ME ME and even most of those who say this is not so are simply rationalizing their own behavior and masking it with false "compassion"

I would not trust any doctor just handed to me...

Not with my life...

Not in this country at least

I am sad to have to say these words, but it simply is true...

and your right it normally makes no sense...deny health care lol, it sounds absurd...

But some of these guys would ruin my life addict me to drugs and slowly kill me for years simply to profit off my life...

That;s the reality, many of my fellow Americans are pathetically greedy and immoral and I don't trust them with my life. Not across the board and without choice.

reply to post by Lasheic


It is no ones right in this country to question and then violate the beliefs a person holds even if you think those beliefs are fundamentally stupid.

Take Jehovas witnesses

I believe they have a right to refuse medical treatment

It's their life...

A reference to Hitlers oven?

Your psychology and beliefs can make some things Worse than Death...so this is not a flawed sign from their perspective.

We do not force or at least shouldn't force an Islamic prisoner to eat Pork, many of us call this "torture' because it is a torture of the mind.

It is not our place to discard the rights of those whom we don't agree with, we were founded on certain human rights being fundamental to all Men and Women.

That man in your image...

He believes that there are things being pushed on him that are as torturous as being in a death camp, or may be exageratting some what for effect...

It is our duty to address his concerns, it is his life not our own to control.

Where One persons ideas of life and religion and behavior can be violated any of ours can... we must respect the wishes of people and they must accept they may be wrong or giving something up foolishly and even punish them if those consequences cause harm to others...

But CHOICE should never be taken from anyone.

Quite frankly, if you're not going to name the source of you're little anectdote then you could stick whatever "talking point" you wanted in his/her mouth.

"Hey I was at the G20 the other day, and a world leader, I won't say who, asked about birth certificate shenanigans and constitutional eligibility, and why they paint Potus up like a villainous clown, and troop build ups in Afghanistan, and not closing Gitmo, and broken promises, etc., etc., etc...."

Puhleeeease.

[edit on 28-9-2009 by Resinveins]

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I see your point about the greed and corruption. I guess our Medicare system has it's fair share of those who use it for their own gain but I think our system has been in place for so long, and is so rigidly controlled, that there is little to no room for corruption.

Given that yours is a new plan I can see how it could be tainted.

First it was, "hey I'm new to this. Give me time."

Then it was, "It's Bush's fault."

Then they played the "race card."

Then it was a "vast right-wing conspiracy."

Now, they play the "victim-card."

These weasels have more excuses for doing a crummy job than my 6 year old does for not cleaning his room.
They have the House.
They have the Senate.
They have the White House.

And they still spew vitriol, hate, mistrust, fear, anger. They have the ability to pass bill after bill after bill after bill. . . .

But they can't tell the same "truth" from one minute to the next. What lame excuse are we going to hear next?

"I'd pass this healthcare bill, but my dog ate it."
"I'd sign this bill, but the sun got in my eyes."
"I was abducted by aliens."
"Michelle rearranged my desk, couldn't find my bill signin' pen."
"Fringe was on, I couldn't get away."


All of this is just the latest weak, lame, sorry, attempt to deflect from the real issues.

My humble advice?

Man-up Mr. Sissy-Pants President. You wanted the job? You got the job. For better or worse you're stuck being my president for a few more years, but don't worry lil' puddin' after this you can quit and write a book or something, and people won't call you bad names anymore.

Awwwwwwwwwwww. . . . diddums. . . . .

I think there is a bit of fear mongering that comes with labeling obama with the nazi label.

take this article's headline for example, Obama's "Final Solution"


www.wnd.com...


like, really? are you serious?


the rest of the article is WHARGARBL but the headline has enough shock value to let it actually influence people's minds to spread this mindless message that our rights are gone.

[edit on 28-9-2009 by piddles]

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