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posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 07:44 PM
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I would not think so much my threads were predicative of the events unfolding, as much as my keeping up with everything politically, and sharing my opinions of where I see our nation heading, so in essence they were an unheeded warning.


Well, there aren't enough of us seeing what shape the nation, or World for that matter is taking. I do believe those of us out there are the voices of reason, and are helping to ground out the highly charged atmosphere being created around us.

I know much of what I have written has come from looking at different articles accumulating, and building in certain directions with apparent outcomes at future dates. They do happen; it's not being a psychic, but tuning into the deceptions, illusions, smoke, and mirrors used by the "establishment". All designed to further agendas.

Oh, I like Your disclaimer in that thread. Not a bad idea in the current times




posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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I wonder if they extend that to people living in a foreign country . You know, like they can accuse that scottish hacker of a crime originating in the UK, but effects felt in the USA. Will they go extraditing people for such a ''crime', if those blogs created abroad end up on a pc screen in the usa. What about saudi arabia then , surely they can do the same thing ? What do their laws say about porn ? Be ready to use all those abandoned transport ships in singapore all over again, to transport europeans and americans off to saudi for some jail time.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Great thread, you're constantly confirming your status as a worthy friend


I think more than anything, these recent events are simply the latest in an extremely long series of events over the past 60 years which have SHOWN us, that we DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS.

We simply have privlidges, and if at anytime anyone in the government doesn't like you exercising your rights, then they remove that right.

But that goes against the fundamental definition, a right is something that cannot be taken away by, and should especially not be allowed to be taken away by people you and your society PUT IN POWER.

This is just yet another brick in the wall.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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Yes, the CIA has already been taking care of what You mention. We(the USA) have goon squads all over the World, in every country hijacking, and kidnapping People who set up roadblocks to their tyranny.

I've gotta tell ya' being in a third World hell hole, and seeing an obvious spook is somewhat unsettling; are they there for me? can run through Your head quite fast.


No, the look I speak of is not necessarily military, but different.

reply to post by king9072
 


Hey, thanks King. You are among a handful group of People on ATS that I know will repeatedly stick to their guns, and viewpoints. When You are correct, and the words You speak are the truth, then there is no need for deviation of view.

I feel confident that every post I have made is PRO Liberty, Freedom, and in favor of the People. I absolutely recommend taking what can be taken from this Govt. as they've stolen so much from us, and I completely back standing up for Liberty. Also, I've been unwavering at the idea of retaking Our country, and truly living in a peaceful World.

I agree with what You say regarding privileges, and Rights.

People will say "I got Rights, 'cause the Bill of Rights!"...WRONG. They've got Rights because they are something that cannot be taken from anyone should they demand them. They are ordained by creation itself, and literally outlined in Nature all around us. Our Rights are us, and We are Our those very Rights.

People need to wake up, and realize that privileges are awarded through a corporate charter, and Rights aren't granted through a piece of paper.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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Ok seriously Sancho, where was your mother (or father) in the 80's I am at a point, where I am beginning to question if you may be my brother.

Spot on evaluation, and as you said, I do not waiver, there is no need for it. And I have never seen your waiver or sway with hysteria, as a large majority of the forum does.

Keep up the great work brother.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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Like your sig...I AM a warrior...



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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Like your sig...I AM a warrior...



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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did'nt an old patriot once say " give me liberty or give me death "

can't quite remember.........long time ago



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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So you are saying using a made up name [and address] on the net to protect yourself from loony tunes is fraud???


Hey now, don't go a using my name in vain there!!!

Had to do it. A little humor, even my bad humor, helps a little. If we don't laugh once in a while then we truly will go insane.

Now back to your irregularly scheduled de-programming. Carry on.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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Good!!!
We need more of You.

reply to post by huntergatherer
 


"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"-Patrick Henry


reply to post by TheLoony
 


Hey now, don't let anyone think I'm trying usurp the govt. conditioning channels.
Er, I'd have to agree about using Your name in vein



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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We should just keep on posting and making threads and not let them scare us? I'm all in for that. I mean if we all keep doing it...how are they going to stop us...? Or can they?



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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We should just keep on posting and making threads and not let them scare us? I'm all in for that. I mean if we all keep doing it...how are they going to stop us...? Or can they?


ha ha ha, Your asking the first 'statement' as a question.....should You? I will keep on truckin' on, but I do realize the ever increasing danger in it.

How will they stop us, or can they? I don't think they can; it is a game of numbers, and there are far more of us, but can the poor percentage that gets chosen to be targeted, can they feel unimaginable pain? Absolutely.

I think in a nut shell We are coming into scary times, and scary times require the potential for scary actions.

BTW, it's good to see You Notsosweet



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 03:08 AM
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The internet is a global system so how can one country pass laws to govern what we all post? It appears that if i, a British national were to post a story about a USA police department, would i then be in trouble? Would they be able to get me extradicted for a post i made online that is critical of their actions?

Newspapers have for years printed bad stories about certain people, if true they are allowed to do it. So why can't private citizens do the same? Individuals are now a major source of news and help keep things fair and balanced. Individuals can sometimes more effectively expose a scandal.

Where were the court cases after Michael Jacksons trial when people on blogs were still calling him a paedophile? Why is it that court cases only come to pass when the blogs threaten to expose abuses of power by government or it's operatives?

The entire think stinks of abuse of power and an attempt to finally fully close the governments already tight grip on the throat of free speech. They are scared that people are hearing the truth and they are struggling to get away with some things.

Information is power, as is truth and the powerful never like to lose their stranglehold on both.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
How will they stop us, or can they? I don't think they can; it is a game of numbers, and there are far more of us, but can the poor percentage that gets chosen to be targeted, can they feel unimaginable pain? Absolutely.



Quite simply they can't stop people posting information online. If people end up to scared to post information, even if it's absolutely valid information then they will jsut start doing it anonymously. This is already done but it will become the norm. People will end up using fakes names on blogs and accessing them via proxy servers.

For anyone truly interested in anonymous web surfing, please check out the TOR project.

Tor Anonymity Online

TOR isn't perfect on it's own, you need to read into it and make sure to close all loopholes. If you do that you just won't be found online. The only way to do it would be for the police to physically grab all of the pc's your connection routed through, and the people running those computers don't tend to keep access logs



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 03:55 AM
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that's a great point. I know an IP address can be traced, but going the route You mention is more difficult to track. I guess it is only a matter of People realizing how important it is to do this. Soon, I think it'll be self evident, that is the necessity.

The more People using this system the better, and the smoother it'll be.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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What I am hearing is that one is vulnerable to being harmed by government/those in power not just in spite of having spoken the truth, but because you spoke the truth.

Saying what is true is dangerous in the 21st century in the USA and elsewhere?

One usually associates this kind of reality with an absolute/despotic dictatorship. I would think that because we have no one dictator, there aught always be "another side" or point of view that would be happy to have the truth come out about the "other guys".

Alternatively, although we don't have one dictator at the top, is it that there is the all powerful "PTB" behind the scenes calling the shots, a secret, hidden dictatorship if you will?

Somehow I think this is nothing more than typical human behaviour: people corrupted by power; in this case the power of government. The government is just too big to handle. It is not that it is becoming socialist. It is just too big, and getting bigger. It is a great big cesspool of available power for those who seek it.

Its too big for the average citizen to be in control of. Once more global government comes into being it will be so out of reach of you and me that we will be lost. Period. The despots will have their way.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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It is not just large goernments though. We're talking abuot local police being annoyed when they get caught abusing their power. The powers that be may have no clue what the police are doing, in fact tracking what every police officer and police chief is doing is rather impossible.

The problem with positions of power is that they attract bad people, this has been and always will be how things are. Some people get into positions of power and do their best to use the office correctly, to help others. Some people get the job and abuse it for their own entertainment. Getting away with an abuse of power can be intoxitacting and addictive for certain personality types.

I'm not really sure there is any way to fix the problem.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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F**k em, they may find themselves in my cross-hairs. I'm so tired... The world has changed so much in the past year. Is anyone gonna stand up?? WTF?? Really. WE just sit back and watch our country turn to #. We talk about it here on the nutbag network, while things go to hell. Please God, send us a leader!



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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You are absolutely right. There are abusers of power in even the smallest of communities. Sometimes those are the worst because there may not be anyone in the small town willing to challenge the local tyrant.

Its been discussed a lot before, I'm sure, but there always has to be accountability and monitoring built in. Most government institutions however have a culture of not upsetting the apple cart. Even citizen committees seem to have to be ultra polite and nice, which makes them largely ineffective.

There was a program on CBC news yesterday here in Canada about the widespread use of camera phones everywhere in the world, and the effect it has had on exposing corruption. Its not enough, but obviously has helped the cause.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
that's a great point. I know an IP address can be traced, but going the route You mention is more difficult to track. I guess it is only a matter of People realizing how important it is to do this. Soon, I think it'll be self evident, that is the necessity.

The more People using this system the better, and the smoother it'll be.


Actually it is currently impossible to track a TOR connection if used correctly, let me explain.

If you connect through a standard proxy server then your home connection goes to that server (through a few normal servers) and then accesses the net. The problem with this is that most proxy servers online are run by large companies and they keep logs, for a long time.

TOR however is run by people who are obsessed with anonymity. You or i could set up a server right this minute and mix it with the TOR proxies. If we choose to not keep logs for longer than a few hours and set it up so that those logs are regularly overwritten, well no one is getting that data. I'll explain it in more detail.

Say you set your system to connect through TOR, it will bounce that connection between nodes (proxy servers sort of) run by everyday people. It could bounce it between 5 different nodes! If you do it properly you encrypt your data going from your computer to the first node and each node encrypts the data to every other node. Doing this means that if you post a political blog and expose a scandal then law enforcement will have to undergo the following procedure.

First they ask the blog provider to give them your name, address and email, of course you use false details and you access your email through TOR. They then check the last IP address to access your blog or email. These addresses won't match because TOR uses a different node each and every time.

So they take this IP address and run it down, lets say you were bouncing through 5 nodes. They will find the 5th node in that chain. They then have to get a court order to physically access and often confiscate that node. The most troubling thing for them is that this node will probably be in another country and so they have to go to that countries authorities to access that computer. This could take weeks of paperwork and by that time the nodes access logs have probably been over written a hundred times.

If they get access to the node and that node has been properly set up not to store logs (most are due to the very nature of TOR) then the only possible hope they have of retrieving the logs is by using an electron scanning microscope. The sheer cost of that is out of reach of most police departments and is often only used in high profile terrorism cases. Even if they do all of this it is highly doubful they can retrieve the IP address of the node that accessed the node they have!

Now repeat this procedure 4 more times and well, you get the security of this system


There are a few ways around this. If someone can examine the data coming from your computer and the data at it's arriving location they can use statistical analysis to figure what is in it. However this is horribly difficult! Someone would have to know who you are and the likely websites you access. If you encrypt your data from source and then use a further proxy browser then they can pretty much forget that option. Of course they could expend many hours of time on a supercomputer to crack the encryption but if users of nodes use different encryption systems, well it will take a while. That is unless the government has secretely developed a quantum computer and i somehow doubt they would use it on a political blog user


So yeah that is TOR in a large nutshell, i skipped over a few thing but that is it basically.




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