Iran won't be attacked (stop crying HATERS)

The problems in the middle east existed way before America and will exist long after it's gone. Too many different sect's in Islam. They fight each other pretty well. It's kinda of funny that Israel has so many enemies in the middle east, they are descended from the same peoples. As for Iran being peaceful well that depends on which conspiracy you believe. The riots over their election show how untrue that is. Religions are incapable of ruling countries. That's because they are run by mortal men with mortal frailities, a supreme leader tells the people who wins an election and it's his chosen one? On a conspiracy site I figured people might actually get that

reply to post by oozyism


I really 'intend' for there to be no Preemptive strike of peace(war mongering term for cold blooded attack). The articles provided in the OP seem solid, but as You kinda hinted at, what else will sway support for an attack? I just hope People realize when a preemptive strike of peace occurs that People the World over wake to lies of the Elites.
S&F

The world doesn't need to prove that Iran intends to develop nuclear weapons. Iran needs to demonstrate that its nuclear program is for peaceful uses only. If they fail to do that, then there is good reason to attack Iran in order to destroy its nuclear program.

The notion that Iran intends to use nukes for only peaceful purposes is a stretch, to say the least. Iran has enormous oil reserves, ranking (IIRC) fifth in the world. There is no need for Iran to develop nuclear power, since they have such an abundance of petroleum.

As they work on their "peaceful" nuclear program, did you notice that they've also been testing missiles? Do you believe that's just a coincidence, that Iran has peaceful intents but just happens to also want to see how well its missiles work? Think again if you believe that.

In the meantime, Iran has expressed its intent to annihilate Israel, as well as any other "enemies" that Iran may encounter. Such enemies would likely include the US among many other countries. This is not the language of a peaceful, law-abiding citizen of the world.

Imagine that I say that someone I know should be wiped off the earth. Imagine that I begin to accumulate explosives - just TNT, say. Is it up to the authorities to prove that I intend to kill that person, or would it be reasonable for them to require that I demonstrate I have peaceful intentions? I expect that until I could show the authorities that I had a good, peaceful use for the explosives, they'd insist that I not acquire them. If I ignored them, they'd come and take them away from me.

Iran is not just some country that decided it needs nuclear energy. Iran has expressed an aggressive and violent intention. It has supplied terrorist organizations with missiles and other weapons. It has already shown itself to be bellicose and deceitful. Now you think everyone is going to say, "Oh, OK, if you cross your heart and hope to die that your intentions are peaceful, then I guess it's OK for you to have nukes". I don't think so.

War sucks. What sucks worse is trying to avoid war by allowing a rogue nation to blackmail the world. That's called "appeasement", and it doesn't work.

"Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will become a vegetarian." - Heywood Broun

"You may gain temporary appeasement by a policy of concession to violence, but you do not gain lasting peace that way." - Anthony Eden

The problem with knuckling under to terrorists or countries that support terrorism is that eventually they will make demands that cannot be met. They will continue to take until it is impossible to give - at which time the war that people were trying to avoid becomes inevitable.

A firm "no" in the beginning can often stop this process. When Iraq was developing nuclear weapons capability, the world sat on its butt and looked on. Israel had the guts to make a surgical strike on the facility, destroying Iraq's nuclear project with minimal loss of life. The world roundly condemned Israel for the strike, though they should have been eternally grateful that someone had the cojones to take action. Iraq with nukes was a very bad idea. Iran with nukes isn't any better.

I don't espouse wars if they can be avoided. Unfortunately, sometimes they are necessary. Refusing to fight when necessary leads to being forced to fight when it is unavoidable. By then the situation has usually deteriorated to the point where the fighting is fierce and protracted. Waiting until Iran has nukes isn't a good time to tell it not to develop nuclear weapons. If you wait that long, they'll use them on you.

Originally posted by Amagnon
"Could it be .. " ? Lol and rofl - one of three; you're being ironic, you're being rhetorical, you're as ignorant as fungus.

Of course the US is trying to create a scenario where ISrael can gain international support to pre-emptively strike Iran. They must try and make Iran feel threatened and alone - that pressure can then be used to effect regime change in Iran. If not - then the military option can be freely exercised by Israel.

The problem is that more and more people hate Israel, and the US. More and more people are listening to Ahmadinejad - and realizing that he is peaceful, intelligent and charismatic - he is twice the leader Obama is, and his country is modern and beautiful.

I do hope that a war against Iran cannot be sold once again to the ignorant US citizens - surely they learned something regarding the lies used to create the atrocity of Iraq?

You are the one coming off as an ignoramus by insinuating that Israel/US/TPTB are interchangeable terms. They are not! Israel and the US are being used as pawns to further out the plans of the Jes***s. The whole thing has been planned. Turn two of the worlds largest religions against each other (Catholicism v Islam), stir up division and mistrust in a nation with the largest population of Protestants and Jews (USA), all in an effort to annihilate both. Incite Muslims worldwide into a Holy War by planning the desecration of a Holy Islamic site. Start rumours that their arch enemies were behind these attacks,

When everyone is done hating and killing each other, the ones left will be easy to control and will have to submit to a One World Religion.

BTW, The Protocols of Zion are real, but people blamed the wrong J's...

Hey, maybe I am just crazy and need some much needed medication...

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It is clear that Iran is an agressive state. It tests missiles and also its language.
I think America tried the clever way (the way I though it would work best)
They tried to create an internal revolution, but the result of a manipulation of the elections.

Now, I think they will try the same thing they did for Iraq: a surgical strike.

I think the US, Russia, China and Europe should united to get rid of the agressive behavior of Iran and NK (which has another very agressive behavior). The difficult question is to answer how.
A strike would create the big problem of a oil blockage and we would face a very big economic crises: thus, that's not the right thing!

The US and Israel have failed in their diplomacy behavior. In my oppinion, they were a little bit dominant and demanding. That's also not the right approach.

The world wants peace. That's the only important thing.

The remaining dillema is a very DIFFICULT one: either a nuclear Iran and the risk of nuclear conflict ahead or a surgical strike and a economic crash.

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by oozyism

 

Well, using Carter as a source? Anyway. I'll grant you that America is hated. Despised. Reviled.

But that is still no reason/excuse for socialism. There is no justification for that. To claim that a country adopted socialism soley because they hate what America represents is wrong.

You make it sound as if socialism is the root of all evil or something. Socialists might think the same of your system, what ever that maybe.

There are many systems out there in the world, you can't really judge them due to the fact that all systems have their own good and bad qualities. Capitalism is no better than socialism, Democracy is no better than dictatorship etc etc.

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--Iran has enough petrol so it doesn't need nuclear technology--

"Petroleum is a noble material, much too valuable to burn... We envision producing, as soon as possible, 23000 megawatts of electricity using nuclear plants," the Shah had previously said.

America was helping Shah build ages ago.

--Iran needs to prove to the world that its nuclear program is for peaceful uses only--

being considered innocent until proven guilty – is a legal right that the accused in criminal trials has in many modern countries.

That is the right you have, so give that right to the Iranians also. The West accuses Iran of something, the West should bring evidence.

--? Do you believe that the peaceful" nuclear program and the missile tests is just a coincidence?--

All countries are working on improving their military might (America included), all countries must have some evil scheme planned out against Israel/America Maybe America is planning on something very evil because America is also testing missiles and testing chemicals yes I know it doesn't make sense, but that is what I'm trying to prove.

--Iran has expressed its intent to annihilate Israel, as well as any other "enemies" that Iran may encounter. --

Do people Realy believe Iran will use nukes against Israel?
I knew this thread would come in handy.

--. It has supplied terrorist organizations with missiles and other weapons.--

Which terrorists did they support? I wanna see where this one goes.

--War sucks. What sucks worse is trying to avoid war by allowing a rogue nation to blackmail the world. That's called "appeasement", and it doesn't work. --

Which one is black mail?

A. America threatens Iran against exercising its legal right to produce peaceful nuclear energy.

B. Iran pursues peaceful nuclear energy.

--The problem with knuckling under to terrorists or countries that support terrorism is that eventually they will make demands that cannot be met. --

America has supported more terrorists than any other country in the world, starting from Israel.

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.

Do you think Saddam was a terrorist when he killed all those Shiiet and Kurds? Well America was its sponsor, I can go on and on but I won't unless you are interested to know more.

-- destroying Iraq's nuclear project with minimal loss of life.--

And who gave Israel that right? Does everyone have that right? Than should you be grateful to me if I bomb the Israeli nuclear program? Or maybe American?

reply to post by oozyism

"If you want to build the building, you can do that. If you want to lay the pipes, you can do that. Six months before you start processing itself ... then you need to inform the IAEA so it is prepared to begin its inspection programme," Ahmadinejad said.

"Now is this the right thing or the wrong thing to do?" he asked. "It is not a secret facility. If it was, why did we inform the IAEA a year ahead of time?"

Even as he insisted that Iran, as a sovereign state, did not need to report to Washington, Ahmadinejad said that Tehran would allow IAEA inspectors to visit the site.

english.aljazeera.net...

Iran doesn't need to tell Washington anything, they signed the treaty with the IAEA not with Washington. Washington feels as if the puppet Shah is still running Iran.

reply to post by segurelha

The US and Israel have failed in their diplomacy behavior. In my oppinion, they were a little bit dominant and demanding. That's also not the right approach.

Alittle bit you really need to compare and contrast to see how demanding they are against Iran. They basically tell Iran not to exercise the right they have, do you believe that is a little demanding.

America is basically telling Iran: I won't talk to you unless you stop advancing. How does that sound?

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When Obama became POTUS, it was then that he was told about this second nuke plant. His policy of appeasement and apology have been going on regardless.

I think you can rest easy. Our coward-in-chief wouldn't want to offend anyone by starting a new war. Heck, he wants to capitulate in Afghanistan and Iraq as soon as possible.

There are too many conserva-. . . . republica-. . . . . domestic terrorists to concern himself with.

It's completely obvious Iran is pursuing more than just nuclear energy, there is no reason for the enrichment of uranium in that quantity or form.

Anyone who thinks Iran will be allowed to complete this project is ignoring historical realities, IMO.

I don't think Israel will attack Iran with bombers. I think the real attack will be made using long range missiles which will target any location which can be considered "dual use" in terms of energy vs. weapons development. Now that the truth has come out about the other processing plant location anyone taking the position that Iran is simply pursuing peaceful energy development has lost all credibility.

Quite a number of the Iranian public are decent, peaceful people and it's just sad that many of them will probably die when these weapons production facilities are removed. It's just yet another example of the extremist elements of the government pursuing goals which will lead to war and death of their own people. The power structure of Iran is corrupt and dangerous with no remaining moral high ground to stand upon.

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I agree. And just to add, the missiles that they are test firing are only for medical treatments as well. Just a high powered, jet fueled suppository.

-ouch-

I used to think there would be no Iran attack. Now I think that it might happen real soon.

I think the global d-population agenda is going to be carried out via regular, and thermonuclear war.

Fasten your seatbelts, because we are in big trouble.

I have a 2 month old little girl. I am afraid she may never know what peace time is like.

Oops, forgot to tell us about the nuclear facility hidden in the mountain.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that yes they will be attacked. The US and other powers have been setting up for it since the beginning of this "war on terror."

Look at this map below.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9f76d2cd02ca.jpg[/atsimg]

We started out in Afghanistan looking for Osama bin Laden and his terrorists but that was quickly forgotten when our previous administration decided to go ahead and invade Iraq on the basis of Saddam hiding Weapons of Mass Destruction, which was later proved to have been based on circumstantial and later admitted false documents.

What lies right in the middle of both these two countries?

Iran.

We have been setting up for a dual-offensive on Iran since the beginning of this. 8 years later and billions of tax dollars and we still have not found Osama bin Laden, we killed Saddam to clean up W's fathers mess on war crimes from years ago, and have cracked open a hornets nest in the form of various ethnic groups fighting both us and themselves.

We have exacerbated an already tense situation with Iran since the unpopular elections when the world witnessed anarchy in their streets and opposition protests to tyranny.

The world elite want this war with Iran. And sadly they will get it.

They will most likely use this new nuclear plant as the catalyst for reasons why.

Why else do you think Iran is now flexing their military muscle more than ever before?

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer – 17 mins ago

TEHRAN, Iran – Iran tested its most advanced missiles Monday to cap two days of war games, raising more international concern and stronger pressure to quickly come clean on the newly revealed nuclear site Tehran was secretly constructing.

State television said the powerful Revolutionary Guard, which controls Iran's missile program, successfully tested upgraded versions of the medium-range Shahab-3 and Sajjil missiles. Both can carry warheads and reach up to 1,200 miles (2,000 kilometers), putting Israel, U.S. military bases in the Middle East, and parts of Europe within striking distance.

The missile tests were meant to flex Iran's military might and show readiness for any military threat.

"Iranian missiles are able to target any place that threatens Iran," said Abdollah Araqi, a top Revolutionary Guard commander, according to the semi-official Fars news agency.

Source:

news.yahoo.com...


I don't want to sound like fear mongering, just felt that an appropriate counter was needed to show more cohesively why a war with Iran is unfortunately a very probable reality.


-Sliadon

Originally posted by Sliadon
I'm gonna go ahead and say that yes they will be attacked. The US and other powers have been setting up for it since the beginning of this "war on terror."

Look at this map below.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9f76d2cd02ca.jpg[/atsimg]

We started out in Afghanistan looking for Osama bin Laden and his terrorists but that was quickly forgotten when our previous administration decided to go ahead and invade Iraq on the basis of Saddam hiding Weapons of Mass Destruction, which was later proved to have been based on circumstantial and later admitted false documents.

What lies right in the middle of both these two countries?

Iran.

We have been setting up for a dual-offensive on Iran since the beginning of this. 8 years later and billions of tax dollars and we still have not found Osama bin Laden, we killed Saddam to clean up W's fathers mess on war crimes from years ago, and have cracked open a hornets nest in the form of various ethnic groups fighting both us and themselves.

We have exacerbated an already tense situation with Iran since the unpopular elections when the world witnessed anarchy in their streets and opposition protests to tyranny.

The world elite want this war with Iran. And sadly they will get it.

They will most likely use this new nuclear plant as the catalyst for reasons why.

Why else do you think Iran is now flexing their military muscle more than ever before?

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer – 17 mins ago

TEHRAN, Iran – Iran tested its most advanced missiles Monday to cap two days of war games, raising more international concern and stronger pressure to quickly come clean on the newly revealed nuclear site Tehran was secretly constructing.

State television said the powerful Revolutionary Guard, which controls Iran's missile program, successfully tested upgraded versions of the medium-range Shahab-3 and Sajjil missiles. Both can carry warheads and reach up to 1,200 miles (2,000 kilometers), putting Israel, U.S. military bases in the Middle East, and parts of Europe within striking distance.

The missile tests were meant to flex Iran's military might and show readiness for any military threat.

"Iranian missiles are able to target any place that threatens Iran," said Abdollah Araqi, a top Revolutionary Guard commander, according to the semi-official Fars news agency.

Source:

news.yahoo.com...


I don't want to sound like fear mongering, just felt that an appropriate counter was needed to show more cohesively why a war with Iran is unfortunately a very probable reality.


-Sliadon

I noticed your thread has been merged into this one so I jump over here to comment...

Only thing I can think to add is: Where did you hear this rumor?

And also... You are correct sir. (or madame)

I don't believe that the U.S. will strike first against Iran. I do however think that a strike is probable from Israel. They are the worlds crybabies, and in the height of their "It's not fair! We should be the only ones in the Middle-East with nukes!" temper-tantrum I think they will strike Iran against the will of the international community.

When this happens, I would like to think that the U.S. will not interfere with the inevitable a!! kicking that comes down on Israel from Russia, and China. I doubt they will though, and WWIII will ensue.

Yup, I think that Israel will instigate WWIII, but then anyone who takes the time to scrutinize Israel closely could hardly be surprised by that.

Israel will take out 2000 targets in Iran.
India will keep Pakistan in check.
The US will keep AQ at bay.
And then we can all party.
Oh wait, then Syria will have to deal with the pissed ones from Iran who thought their back was covered. Then Saudi will take some heat too.

God, I really love the holier than thou attitude of you Yanks.

Your continued support for all things IRA is why I can today reveal that Great Britain is the world's foremost authority on combatting terrorism!

Unfortunately, like the recalcitrant child and bully that America has become, she stamps her foot and demands that everybody pay attention to her and does her bidding. Or else!

America is hated throughout the world.

Not because you are American. It is not because you are the wealthiest country in the world.

It is not because you are the world's only true superpower [for the moment].

It is not even because you covet what your neighbour has in the world of supply and demand for raw materiels.

It is because of envy backed up by a certain amount of fear.

Those who oppose you and your cock-eyed foreign policies know that at any given moment, your country may choose to invade them [backed up by your favourite lap dog, the UK].

In order to prevent any eventual invasion, those who oppose your powerful but schoolboy bullying tactics seek the ultimate weapon with which to deter you.

I wonder why India and Pakistan sought the wherewithall to develope their own nuclear weapons and why has the US not waged an unrelenting war of words or launched sanctions against those two countries?

Israel has nuclear weapons; South Africa has nuclear weapons; North Korea has nuclear weapons; so do France, the UK, Russia, China and yourselves.

SFW! Nuclear weapons have kept the 'peace' since 1945 thanks to MAD. Long may it continue.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Gixxer

 

No one found out any thing, Iran told them about the fascility. That was their obligation under internation law and they followed it. Get it?

Why underground?

Well because of all the threats they have recieved from the US and Israel.

Is all of your information this faulty?

The facility has been known about since before Obama took office. It was just not publicly discussed for obvious reasons. Never play a hole card. Iran hid it until they had no choice since the facility was already discovered during the Bush Administration.

You sound as though you side not only with Iran but also with Al Qaeda and the Taliban Insurgents? If your angry with the US and Israel so be it, but why defend people who are far worse?

You don't need to be a "Hater" to not want a country like Iran to have Nuclear Weapons. Why the silly insults? We all know the public statements made by Ahmadinejad and his desire to to destroy the "Great Satan" and Israel. He is at best insane, at worst he has delusions of world domination by his brand of Islam.

Pretending he is not pursuing nuclear weapons ceased to be a valid argument long ago. To say that requires either bald faced lies or being delusional.

How does propaganda "deny ignorance"?

The fact you got those stars on a false statement worries me. It tells me many base their world views on propoganda. Like I said hating America or Israel is one thing but siding with a country that is far worse is a whole other matter. It defies logic.