Originally posted by napayshni57
You say masons are the true anti-christ religion. Stange but they do some of the same works as Christ. They heal sick children. They help people in need. They most usually set a good role model.

But then they blow it because they don't tolerate people like Peter or Judas. Pauls past would of probably kept him from being a member if he was alive today.

How is it that Freemasonry doesn't "tolerate" Peter or Judas?

Originally posted by napayshni57
Maybe the true secret of masonary is they are trying to find a way to combat those evil women.

Huh? I'm completely befuddled... There is no reference to women, evil or otherwise, in the entire first page of the thread, let alone the original post which you have replied to... When did this topic start to address "evil women"???

Uh, OK. Thanks! Sorry about that. I completely missed the point there!

We're all children of God......it's just a matter of who you feel was Messiah or if they have come yet...Christians obviously feel we know the answer. That said as a Mason we feel that, that in no way makes us better then other men, rather we know that faith without works is dead......and that all men of faith must strive for the life and the morals God has laid before us.

I know many Ministers within the York Rite Commandary...I know of at least one Rabbi who is also in York Rite but merely elected to stop after first two sections of Royale Arch, and Crptic Degrees and doesn't participate in the Templars. There are also Hindu and Muslim and other religious men and ever their clergy within masonry....All of us disagree perhaps on which religion is the "word" of God. However all of us agree in certain principles and wisdom, that are taken from the Old Testiment/Torah. We also beleive our disagreements are not worthy of bledshed with each other, as we ultimately are all worshiping God in the way we feel is correct, and our place isn't to judge the other. If only all men of faith could accept such basic tolerance.

Masonry is NOT a religion in that it does not really concern itself with the life after death, it would council you to go to your chosen faith for that, it's about how to live in THIS life among men of different beliefs. How we can live in peace, with tolerance, and dignity, and to build stronger bonds among men no matter faith or money or power.....

The great problem for all the conspiracy theorists that they do not get, and why so much of their drivel is so rediculous to masons, is that the very idea of an "elitest" few holding power is the exact OPPOSITE of all the lessons of freemasonry, which teach egalitarianism. Should ANY such Illuminati exist, or any other secret world order exist....it would find Freemasons it's most staunch enemy.....and through different ages that is exactly what we have been....Freemasons have ALWAYS opposed such would be despotic rulers.......which is why Freemasons were also slaughtered in Hitler's Death Camps.......and why many of us wear blue forget me nots to this day.

Masonry in antiquity DID get involved with several world revolutions and in every case it was to give more power to people....and take it away from a corrupt, and despotic few. Masonry will ALWAYS side with the struggles of the many rather then any elitest few.

[edit on 9/10/2009 by ForkandSpoon]

Originally posted by emsed1
There is a particular moment in the Order of the Temple (i won't elaborate but ForkAndSpoon will realize what I mean) where the Cryptic Masonry symbol is explained. It hit me like a truck!

I felt like in this one moment all of my Christian beliefs suddenly made sense.

I have to concur, before masonry I was sort fo Semi-Christian I agreed with the moral lessons, but still had many issues with the church, it's history, and more importantly to my faith ,certain theological issues that still kept me from being bale to fully commit to the Christian Faith. I can definately say that my journey in masonry answered many of those reservations, and allowed me to give myself fully to Christ.

I have heard similar things said by Jewish brothers, who were "sort of Jewish" lol....in heritege, but not always in faith, and masonry was a final peice that put their Jewish faith in perspective and allowed them to give themself fully to their faith as well. While I do not know of any I can see how the same could be said from other faiths or help a Muslim, or a Hindu Brahman even.

You might say many reservations men have with faith, lay with our misunderstanding of the world we live in. Once one has a better understanding fo what it means to be human, and of the world we live in, many of the reservations one has melt away.

You have to beleive in a higher power to become a Mason, but by truly growing in Masonry, your faith in that higher power will become stronger.

Hey, any mason who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ has every right not to. As a matter of fact, one would be very wse not to believe in Jesus Christ according to the traditional fundamentalist christian tunnel visionist viewpoint. LOL.

The Freemasons are the Pharisees, Priests, and Kabalah lovers that Jesus fought so hard to reveal the truth from.

Malarky!!! Where do you get that the Masons developed from the Pharisee and Saducees? That is the most uninformed statement I think I have ever heard here, OP!!! I say that in all sincerity.

The Pharisees and the Saducees were followers of the Old Testament!! The Masons,if they orginated from anything it was from the ancient mystery schools of Egypt. You obviously don't know what you are talking about, OP!!!

[edit on 21-12-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]

JEESZUS this thread is so far gone.
I can tell.
What a waste of time.

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Since when was Bible thumping Christian fundamentalism a requirement to get into freemasonry? Belief in a supreme being, yes. I guess that must mean Satan. There's no other possibility or nuance to anything.

No, I'm not a Mason but I'll stand up against B.S. any day.

Oh man...seriously?
Okay, look, people are allowed to believe whatever they want.
If you want to believe in a religion that's responsible for murdering millions of innocent people and stealing their belief systems, incorporating it into an oppressive, intolerant, bigoted, corrupt and inherently 'evil' theo-political fascist system, then go right ahead.
Me, I'm siding with your 'Adversary', at least that way, I'll have more fun.
And why are people still claiming Freemasonry is a 'religion'?
I thought it was a fraternity...then again, I'm just some guy...what do I know?

It was a terrible joke to begin with, dude. The whole premise of the OP is that, because one Mason doesn't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, therefore NO Masons believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Anyone who can't see the error in this kind of reasoning needs to unplug their computer and stop making other people stupider by posting on the internet.

Originally posted by Roark
It was a terrible joke to begin with, dude. The whole premise of the OP is that, because one Mason doesn't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, therefore NO Masons believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Anyone who can't see the error in this kind of reasoning needs to unplug their computer and stop making other people stupider by posting on the internet.

I feel dumber already...
So Roark, you used to be a Mason?