Masons don't believe Jesus was Son of God.

reply to post by Masonic Light

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True, but sometimes speculations give birth to research which verifies their validity. It seems at least, to provide some intuitively satisfying explanations, even though it lacks full support for these.

reply to post by kingswillquiver

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I'm not a Mason nor am I an member of the Eastern Star.

I believe you miss the concept of being a Mason. It's not to force everyone to be like minded in religion. It's to make good men better.

I have a problem with you saying Christians believe in Jesus because the bible say he is the Son of God. I have to worry about this. They have no other way of knowing for sure except for a book. One deemed holy by certain groups of faith. I think a spiritual connection to him you feel inside would be more of a reason to believe.

Especially when Christ states in the bible the scribes have lying pens.

Did you know God called his son out of Egypt? Did you know there was no true levitical priest in Israel at during the period of Jesus teaching? Guess where the true priesthood were? If you guessed Egypt you are right. So perhaps those priest that you say Christ was trying to reveal the truth from didn't know the truth in the first place.

You say masons are the true anti-christ religion. Stange but they do some of the same works as Christ. They heal sick children. They help people in need. They most usually set a good role model.

But then they blow it because they don't tolerate people like Peter or Judas. Pauls past would of probably kept him from being a member if he was alive today.

So I don't think they qualify.

Maybe the true secret of masonary is they are trying to find a way to combat those evil women. Ones like in the bible. Look at the problems women created for Adam, David, Samson, Jacob, Abraham oh the list goes on. If I was going to keep my eye on any group from a biblical Christian view point I would be focused on a secret womans group. You never know what us evil women are up to.

I see the title of the thread. I see your signature. I know the big 10. Remember the one about bearing false witness? Do you remember the words of Christ about lairs?

So to answer your signature why yes I am are you?

How is it that Freemasonry doesn't "tolerate" Peter or Judas?



Huh? I'm completely befuddled... There is no reference to women, evil or otherwise, in the entire first page of the thread, let alone the original post which you have replied to... When did this topic start to address "evil women"???

reply to post by Roark

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Peter denied Christ, hid himself after Christ was taken away until after his death. Judas sold him out. Masons are a brotherhood where I don't believe they leave each when things get tough. They sure don't sell each other out.

The op wants to use the bible to condemn a group of people. In the bible it seems the male counterpart is the one that causes most of the problems. So why not keep your eye on the male counterpart of the masons instead. Which is the eastern star. I'm sure he could find some thing to post a thread about.

Some thing to the order of : Order of the Eastern Star caught worshipping the Gods named mastercard and visa.

The spouses and significant others in the masons might just agree with the op then. lol

Uh, OK. Thanks! Sorry about that. I completely missed the point there!

A: He was stating his opinion and his beleifs, and they no more mean that this is Masonry's beleiefs that it would be to say All English people beleive Christ is not the son of God because here a guy speaking English said so.

B: Masonry is not a religion, never has been.....

C: That statement would likely never be uttered in a Templar York Rite Commandary as it is not only a Christian body, but expects it's members (all masons) to profess it.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm a Christian, I'm a Freemason, I'm a York Rite Templar....and I approve of stating that Christ was son of God.

[edit on 8/10/2009 by ForkandSpoon]

reply to post by ForkandSpoon

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Here, here brother!

My Masonic journey has been so meaningful to my relationship with Christ, and to God. I've learned more about faith, hope and charity in the lodge than any of the various churches I've attended. This is not to say the lodge teaches religious lessons, but it amplifies my Christian beliefs to such an extent that it truly brings joy to me now to sit in Church and listen to the Word.

As a Knight Templar I have to agree that seeing the things we've seen, and living through the Orders, that there is a powerful message in Christianity.

There is a particular moment in the Order of the Temple (i won't elaborate but ForkAndSpoon will realize what I mean) where the Cryptic Masonry symbol is explained. It hit me like a truck!

I felt like in this one moment all of my Christian beliefs suddenly made sense.

I should explain for non-Masons - The Blue Lodge of Freemasonry does not require a member to be a Christian. In fact, most of the York Rite doesn't require one to be a Christian, but many of the ceremonies are drawn from the New Testament.

In order to become a Knight Templar, though, it is necessary for a man to affirm his Christian beliefs and swear to take up his sword in the defense of Christianity, and in defense of orphans and widows.

So, to definitively answer the OP headline:

Masons DO believe Jesus was the son of God, especially Templars. Even Blue Lodge Freemasons believe Jesus was the son of God because we believe ALL people are the children of the Great Architect, and Supreme Ruler.

reply to post by kingswillquiver

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The Creator is who you should praise and give thanks to every day.

Not a human.

-Thanks.

We're all children of God......it's just a matter of who you feel was Messiah or if they have come yet...Christians obviously feel we know the answer. That said as a Mason we feel that, that in no way makes us better then other men, rather we know that faith without works is dead......and that all men of faith must strive for the life and the morals God has laid before us.

I know many Ministers within the York Rite Commandary...I know of at least one Rabbi who is also in York Rite but merely elected to stop after first two sections of Royale Arch, and Crptic Degrees and doesn't participate in the Templars. There are also Hindu and Muslim and other religious men and ever their clergy within masonry....All of us disagree perhaps on which religion is the "word" of God. However all of us agree in certain principles and wisdom, that are taken from the Old Testiment/Torah. We also beleive our disagreements are not worthy of bledshed with each other, as we ultimately are all worshiping God in the way we feel is correct, and our place isn't to judge the other. If only all men of faith could accept such basic tolerance.

Masonry is NOT a religion in that it does not really concern itself with the life after death, it would council you to go to your chosen faith for that, it's about how to live in THIS life among men of different beliefs. How we can live in peace, with tolerance, and dignity, and to build stronger bonds among men no matter faith or money or power.....

The great problem for all the conspiracy theorists that they do not get, and why so much of their drivel is so rediculous to masons, is that the very idea of an "elitest" few holding power is the exact OPPOSITE of all the lessons of freemasonry, which teach egalitarianism. Should ANY such Illuminati exist, or any other secret world order exist....it would find Freemasons it's most staunch enemy.....and through different ages that is exactly what we have been....Freemasons have ALWAYS opposed such would be despotic rulers.......which is why Freemasons were also slaughtered in Hitler's Death Camps.......and why many of us wear blue forget me nots to this day.

Masonry in antiquity DID get involved with several world revolutions and in every case it was to give more power to people....and take it away from a corrupt, and despotic few. Masonry will ALWAYS side with the struggles of the many rather then any elitest few.

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I have to concur, before masonry I was sort fo Semi-Christian I agreed with the moral lessons, but still had many issues with the church, it's history, and more importantly to my faith ,certain theological issues that still kept me from being bale to fully commit to the Christian Faith. I can definately say that my journey in masonry answered many of those reservations, and allowed me to give myself fully to Christ.

I have heard similar things said by Jewish brothers, who were "sort of Jewish" lol....in heritege, but not always in faith, and masonry was a final peice that put their Jewish faith in perspective and allowed them to give themself fully to their faith as well. While I do not know of any I can see how the same could be said from other faiths or help a Muslim, or a Hindu Brahman even.

You might say many reservations men have with faith, lay with our misunderstanding of the world we live in. Once one has a better understanding fo what it means to be human, and of the world we live in, many of the reservations one has melt away.

You have to beleive in a higher power to become a Mason, but by truly growing in Masonry, your faith in that higher power will become stronger.