reply to post by Doc Tesla
Actually, you do not understand.
The first religions were created to explain things that they didn't understand.
This is completely backwards
of what it really was. The religions were created out of the understanding of the time, not out of that which
they didn't understand.
It's not talking about literal apples, days, serpents and so forth. Those are just things used to express understanding. What they are
expressing was the understanding they had, and in the context of the times and how the people of that time would understand.
Now, are the things as detailed as science is? No. And if it was, then what good would it have been for people at that time? Do you teach a 5yr
old about quantum physics when they have a question about something? No. You give that child an explanation that makes the most sense and can be
understood by them.
As well, the bible actually speaks of things that modern science/people have not even a clue about. The mainstream doesn't understand it at all -
and that includes the majority of christians/other religions. These are things that science in itself can not handle or allow for.
See, science is great for explaining how the universe and physical works, but it is completely blind to being able to explain or understand what it
means "to be", to be aware, to be conscious and so forth. Free will can not and does not exist in the physical world. "Choice" is an
illusion in the world of the physical, because it is all action and reaction. But choice does exist, and so does the ability to understand. How
does action and reaction "understand" things? What does it mean to "feel"? Science can tell me what causes the "feeling", but the feeling
Do you know what a rose smells like? Can you prove it? No, you can only experience it. But what is it that experiences?
So there are 2 basic realms for understanding here. One is science, the other is philosophy(religion in it's purest form).
Science is the realm of logic, the realm of action and reaction. But it breaks down if choice, reason and understanding comes into play. Because
choice doesn't happen 100% of the time like action and reaction.
So this is where phlilosophy comes into it. Philosophy is the realm of reason and understanding. And while science is a study into the physical,
philosophy/religion is a study into what it means "to be" and so forth.
are needed. Both have their proper places, and it's the people who think they need to choose 1 or the other are likely ones who do not
So, lets take a statement from Jesus - which I know to be true based on understanding:
"What is spirit is spirit, and what is flesh is flesh". See, when he says that he is talked about exactly the above. Flesh = physical, spirit =
consciousness/that which experiences. Science = realm of the physical, Religion/Philosophy = realm of consciousness and that which experiences.
And if you do not understand and know what that quote means, then you honestly won't understand the bible or religious type texts. But when you
see that it's talking about spiritual things, rather than flesh things - then you will understand. The bible is not really trying to tell people
about the physical, but is a general understanding of the time.
I btw do not belong to any religion, and I do not recommend joining any religion. I do not "believe" god exists, I know god exists. And there
is no reason why you can not find the father yourself, which is what I do recommend.
This will get you started. What are "you"? Can you define "you" without identifying a possession? Like "your" body is a possession etc.
I think you will find that you can only identify "you" through possessions.
I love science, I am a programmer myself and create technology on a daily basis and use logic. But I recognize it's limits, and I recognize there
are many things beyond science. It takes a scientist in order to have science. Science can tell you about what is "out there", but the bible
is talking about things "in there", within you.
Know thyself. When you deny god, you deny yourself. Looking for god "out there" is like looking for Bill Gates inside your Windows OS.