Escape and Evasion Kit - Got one?? - What's in Yours?, page 2
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reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 12:34 PM by jibeho
reply to post by dainoyfb



It's because he pulled his list off of a website somewhere. He is just trying to appear knowledgeable.

As for my E&E which accompanies me within my EDC , here is my list:

small bic lighter
25 ft hank of paracord
2 niteize figure 9 mini biners
SOG twitch spring assist folder (in my pocket)
Pico Pry bar
Homemade mini folding hacksaw made from a "torch" recip. blade
small first aid kit equipped with two packs of Quik Clot
Inova compact 3 watt flashlight
Sharpie Pen with 10 ft of Duct Tape wrapped around the cylinder
small note pad
leatherman wave
epi pens

All contained in a small nylon Maxpedition FR1 pouch within my Maxpedition Jumbo Versipak. Plenty of room to spare for last minute grab and go.


reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 03:19 PM by AlaskaFranke
So, your running from the law, or what?

Useful gear? Come on bud, you sound like your really into playing war games. Didn't you get enough playing GI JOE with your buddies when you were a kid.

Personally I dont care if you like my response to your post. This is an open forum, afterall. You posted some ludicrus fantasy about your gear, and I posted my response. Don't like it, hit the IGNORE button, and it will go away,pretty simple task.

My gear bag. It sits in the trunk of my car, and has for years. Everything on my list, is what i put into it. Mine actually has food, Real food, not freaking power bars.

E & E Equipment. Hmmm, never saw that equipment in any military manuals as being standard TO&E for E&E gear.

Geez-freaking rambo wannabies...







Originally posted by dainoyfb
reply to
post by AlaskaFranke



As the OP has stated more than once this is a thread about E&E equipment not BOBs of which there are already plenty of threads for you to go and get involved with if you want to discuss that topic.

The equipment I have I take with me because over the years it has proven to be priceless at keeping me safe and uncaptured. I have much of the equipment I have now because on more than one occasion it would have been a godsend to have. This equipment wont be for everybody or for every situation just like not every BOB or EDC will be the same. But it suites the situations that I'm typically involved in and this thread is here to provide ideas that others may find useful.

Edit for typo and to comment on negative comments that use words like "stupid" but decided not to bother.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by dainoyfb]



reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 04:45 PM by Stanton Dowd
reply to post by AlaskaFranke



It sounds to me like you're in the wrong thread.

Don't think I'm being rude because I'm not but the thread's about escape and evasion, not bugout bags.

It's not about criminals either so if you don't like it go to another thread and stop derailing this one.

Cheers!




reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 06:13 PM by circuitsports
First and most importantly you need your health - your not going to run anywhere fast if your not healthy.

Second you need proper training and experience. I would suggest for those that can afford it the BOSS school. They will teach you everything you need to know to live with very little.

Third and what has insofar not been mentioned either, practice and you really need to focus on the first two to make sure it's perfect practice.

If you have a bag with everything you think you might need to live on than you need to actually try it.

The concept that I perfer and you may come to after trying to go anywhere with a 56 pound pack pack is the lightweight backpack concept, 10 pounds or less.

This will also enable you to go further faster and for longer and by learning the hard way whats worth keeping and whats not you will weed out the noise.

Personally The last thing you want to do in a real SHTF is to be anywhere other people are unless you know them and they are similarly prepared. So all of this night vision garbage is lame, you want to evade first and foremost.

The easiest way to do this is by knowing where you are going to go and practicing it with whatever you are going to take.

My basic pack is a jansport simple back pack, they have a lifetime warranty and they have nothing extra to get caught on stuff or extra points to fail. It's in some nondescript brown I think called urban guerilla something that hides well but doesnt stick out like camo and black stuff.

In it are two bottles of water, my 9mm glock with 6 19 round mags (plus 2 bases) clippend into my serpa paddle holster because it's very durable will hold the glock if your climbing ect too.

Also is two sets of under armor type compression gear full length, this will help your endurance and keep you from sweating and feeling dirty and is super light.

Ones set is black which I wear under my clothes so I can strip down if needed, the other set is digital camo pattern I happened to find at bass pro but I dont wear thee unless I am trying to disappear in my local wilderness ect.

They also wash easy and will help with bruising ect also they are very sleak if you need to move through brush ect.

I have a regular polyester based dark grey track suit with hood I wear over that and some durable boots with ankle support and socks to keep my feet dry.

Also in my bag I have a filter straw for water sources, a solar oven the basic fold out solar oven just reflective aluminium and a small bag of oatmeal with a little brown sugar mixed in. And a solar blanket. Multi tool as well. And tooth brush and little floss.

Also a basic field guide but I haven't found the right one yet.

I feel like I could go anywhere reasonable with that and be fine. There are some other basic things but they are nice to have's

The gun btw is not to start trouble but if needed to defend others who cant run as fast as I can.


reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 06:37 PM by WarMind
reply to post by Stanton Dowd



Then being chased is what you ment. Fully being chased, on the run constantly. Please reread my post.


Ohh! And second?

Read a few "Escape and Evasion" manuals over google.

Third, my friend?

Im not stupid enough to be chased by them to begin with.
I have my fake I.D

Again, your list looks good, for the situation.


reply posted on 3-10-2009 @ 09:57 AM by Stanton Dowd
reply to post by WarMind




I wasn't knocking your fake IDs.

I suppose that I didn't make clear the stuff going through my head - In such that I would love to have fake IDs and all manner of weapons but I live in the UK, so am pretty much thinking of legal kit.

Though if you could get fake IDs it would be bloody good but it is so Orwellian over here that it's not something worth getting locked up over.

I was thinking more along the lines of a few bits of kit that would aid escape and evasion if you suddenly found yourself in that situation. Having to bolt it...




reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 12:04 AM by hosnate
reply to post by Stanton Dowd



just so you know, you can buy caltrops legally at budk.com. and as far as i know it varies state to state, like many items tend to do.


reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 04:46 AM by Stanton Dowd
reply to post by hosnate



Ha yes, confusion. I am in the UK.

If only we had similar laws to the US when it comes to weapons.

Over here only the cops 'n robbers have weapons.

And I'm sure there is many a good reason to have various weapons in a E&E kit or survival kit.

In the UK we have to improvise weapons on the spot. I've trained in Budo Taijutsu for the past 8 years and consider it my number one learning point for E&E. But that's another thread.




reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 05:59 AM by psychederic
reply to post by Stanton Dowd



If you get a hunter licence , you could get other type of weapons.

And i think you could allways buy some and let them in your house, but you just cannot get around with them.


reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 04:04 PM by AlaskaFranke
Now THAT'S more like it. Keep it simple, and keep it real. TTo many people place so much emphasis on electronic gizmos,. That, and they tend to think it terms of humping around 1000 rounds of various calibers in loaded magazines.

You can survive in the woods, jungle, desert, and high plains with just a knife, as long as you actually have the skills and know-how. I don’t particularly want to have to survive with just a knife, but if it comes down to it, I can make a fire, build a shelter, set out fish traps and small animal snares, and I am cognizant of which plants will sustain me, and which ones will send me on a space odyssey. Build primitive tools, weapons, and useful gear comes second to that, and its those kinds of skills that will make or break you.

Imagine that you only have a few seconds to “get gone”, and your BOB is too far away to reach , for whatever reason. Your out in the woods huffing and puffing to escape whatever your running from, and you have absolutely nothing on your back, in your pockets, that will help you endure this.

The guys that actually go out into the bush on the weekends and practice primitive survival techniques, are waaaaay ahead of the loop, as opposed to the gizmo techie crowd that are too lazy to learn basic survival skills.
They see themselves as having the (over-confident) skills to single handedly take on an infantry squad, and yet have never heard a shot fired in anger.
Their infatuation with weapons makes me think that their unstable in the first place, and probably a little zippy in the second. Weapons are like a hammer, a tool to be used. Why would you want to hump 15 30-round magazines for your rifle, 8-magazines for your Glock, and 300 rounds of 12-gauge 00-buckshot for the shotgun, when you’re trying to escape and evade.

On top of that, where are these nutcases going? Are they expecting to live off the land by the pure force of their guns? Have they considered that: 1) It could be winter, 2) other people with guns will be out there, 3) It won’t be as easy as they imagine in their GI JOE mind. Geez people; get your head outta the astronomical airway, and start thinking in real terms.
Forget those stupid movies your watched where the Hero whups up everybody. Forget the books that you read where the Hero overcomes all odds, like Red Dawn, and those types. This is real life, and real deal.

If’s paramount that you HAVE A PLACE TO ESCAPE TO, not running around in the State Forest of National Park looking to get into a firefight with everyone that you meet. I guarantee you Budro, there will be people out there that have more guns, and more friends with their guns. Shoot one of them, and then try to ‘escape and evade” with that electronics heavy pack, caltrops, locksmith tools, night vision devices, and all that other junk, let’s see how far you get then. I wouldn’t take odd in your favor of getting but a few yards.
There are REAL SURVIVALIST out there that have actual combat experience, and they have friends with them. They just wanna be left alone, and won’t cause you any harm, unless of course, you happen to be sneaking around their property, or start acting like a menace to what’s left of society. Then all bets are off.
How many Vietnam vets are out there living in camps, that have forgotten more bush skills than you will these “Rambo’s” will ever know. Many are the number I bet.

As for the guy with the locksmith tools. I would be pleased to know what part of the world you live in.

----My gut instincts tells me your some “city dweller”, under 30 years of age, high school dropout, no skills, and no practical survival mindset, much less appropriate and forward thinking survival strategies, other than stealing from good people in a bad situation. Come on up to Alaska. We got about 5 million square miles tailor-made just for you Budro. Oh did I mention that 90% of the people here carry firearms, have mean ass dogs, and plenty of friends to back them up?



reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 05:36 PM by AlaskaFranke
"""Edit for typo and to comment on negative comments that use words like "stupid" but decided not to bother. ""

Uhm, Err, Ahh-STUPID was about as polite as i could be, without getting kicked from the ATS forums....





Originally posted by AlaskaFranke
So, your running from the law, or what?

Useful gear? Come on bud, you sound like your really into playing war games. Didn't you get enough playing GI JOE with your buddies when you were a kid.

Personally I dont care if you like my response to your post. This is an open forum, afterall. You posted some ludicrus fantasy about your gear, and I posted my response. Don't like it, hit the IGNORE button, and it will go away,pretty simple task.

My gear bag. It sits in the trunk of my car, and has for years. Everything on my list, is what i put into it. Mine actually has food, Real food, not freaking power bars.

E & E Equipment. Hmmm, never saw that equipment in any military manuals as being standard TO&E for E&E gear.

Geez-freaking rambo wannabies...







Originally posted by dainoyfb
reply to
post by AlaskaFranke



As the OP has stated more than once this is a thread about E&E equipment not BOBs of which there are already plenty of threads for you to go and get involved with if you want to discuss that topic.

The equipment I have I take with me because over the years it has proven to be priceless at keeping me safe and uncaptured. I have much of the equipment I have now because on more than one occasion it would have been a godsend to have. This equipment wont be for everybody or for every situation just like not every BOB or EDC will be the same. But it suites the situations that I'm typically involved in and this thread is here to provide ideas that others may find useful.

Edit for typo and to comment on negative comments that use words like "stupid" but decided not to bother.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by dainoyfb]



reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 06:39 PM by Stanton Dowd
reply to post by AlaskaFranke



Much of what you say makes sense.

What a shame you have to be so negative whilst doing it.

Sounds to me like you need to take the chip off your shoulder.


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