No More Proof Needed: Swine Flu IS A BIO-WEAPON! (enough said!)

Cleansing the world will not make it any better. Either you control the population's every move in order to make it better or you entrust them to freely make better decision. The latter, for it to work, would mean you need to raise living standards and actually be honest with the people. Since that won't ever happen - then the former will.

Did you know every man woman and child on earth could have two acres in Texas. It is not by killing of portions of the populous that humankind will endure, in fact this ecosystem is doomed with or with or without us. 98% of all species that have ever existed are now extinct!

The best hope the human race has to survive is to pull itself above the dependence on this doomed ecosystem, and looking at nature for answers the best method for this is a population which exceeds the resources found on earth, as the only hope for the human race id is to reach to the stars. It is not by the principles of humanity that mankind is able to preserve himself above the animal world, but simply by means of the most brutal struggle!

Save the whale’s and kiss a tree are the worst possible mindsets that the human race could have. Problems like the CO2 scare should be met with the technology to scrub it from the atmosphere, as regardless of our numbers we will undoubtedly have to deal with these issues in the future. The earth should be used for the single purpose of supporting human life, so that we may endure! Depopulation decreases are chances significantly. I don’t contend that we do not need the current ecosystem to survive, but we do posses the technology to completely manage our environment.

One not so popular answer to the CO2 problem is the fertilize the oceans to increase plankton levels, and harvest both the plankton overabundance and the increased bio mass like sardines and other plankton feeding creatures for processing into oil. One could imagine that this would also involve the removal of some predator species that may compete for our harvest.

To choose a tree over humans is just really screwed up! Some idiots will always maintain a notion that this world is somehow perpetual and unchanging, but this is not the case. All you see here is doomed including us unless we are forced to seek other means to our survival. It is definitely not by depopulation that we will endure, in fact it could doom us to failure!

Here is graph showing some changes that are right around the corner. It was compiled directly from composite data and the findings are not debatable.
2000-1979: Satellite stratospheric data
1979-1871: S. Hemisphere ground temp. data
1871- 422k B.P.: Vostok Ice Core Data
Shows us this.




References
Historical Isotopic Temperature Record from the Vostok Ice Core

The data available from CDIAC represent a major effort by researchers from France, Russia, and the U.S.A.

1) Vostok ice core: a continuous isotope temperature record over the last climatic cycle (160,00 years).

Jouzel, J., C. Lorius, J.R. Petit, C. Genthon, N.I. Barkov,
V.M. Kotlyakov, and V.M. Petrov. 1987.

Nature 329:403-8.

2) Extending the Vostok ice-core record of palaeoclimate to the penultimate glacial period.

Jouzel, J., N.I. Barkov, J.M. Barnola, M. Bender, J. Chappellaz, C. Genthon, V.M. Kotlyakov, V. Lipenkov, C. Lorius, J.R. Petit, D. Raynaud, G. Raisbeck, C. Ritz, T. Sowers, M. Stievenard, F. Yiou, and P. Yiou. 1993.

Nature 364:407-12.

3) Climatic interpretation of the recently extended Vostok ice records.

Jouzel, J., C. Waelbroeck, B. Malaize, M. Bender, J.R. Petit, M. Stievenard, N.I. Barkov, J.M. Barnola, T. King, V.M. Kotlyakov, V. Lipenkov, C. Lorius, D. Raynaud, C. Ritz, and T. Sowers. 1996.

Climate Dynamics 12:513-521.

4) Climate and atmospheric history of the past 420,000 years from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica.

Petit, J.R., J. Jouzel, D. Raynaud, N.I. Barkov, J.-M. Barnola, I. Basile, M. Bender, J. Chappellaz, M. Davis, G. Delayque, M. Delmotte, V.M. Kotlyakov, M. Legrand, V.Y. Lipenkov, C. Lorius, L. Pepin, C. Ritz, E. Saltzman, and M. Stievenard. 1999.

Nature 399: 429-436.


[edit on 27-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

I'm pretty sure I had the swine flu last year and it wasn't really all that bad. It was just like the regular flu except that it lasted for like 3 weeks, I had a terrible cough and it felt like my lungs were always half filled with fluid. I would much rather get the swine flu again than take the freaking vaccine, especially when the makers of said vaccine don't even want to take it. It's crazy though how fast the swine flu spreads, there was a high school in my state that is in the middle of nowhere and it had over 250 infected students all within like a week craziness.

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Yeah we are ate up with Swine Flu, one death that I know of and he was an old man with cancer. The school here has an entry on the front page of our local paper saying they have cases but will not close per state recommendations. We are in the middle of nowhere in a town of less than 2000.


Since School started back I imagine the Swine Flu is everywhere, you cannot escape it. So far we haven’t been sick unless you count a sore throat with very low fever that only lasted about 3-4 days. Three kids in my sons class were being treated for flu, one with pneumonia according to rumors. I have had the kids home for a week now!

[edit on 27-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

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Here's a bit more I found from this lovely lady - it takes about 54 minutes to watch, but well worth it - follow this link www.youtube.com...

It might also help answer a few other questions raised in this thread.

Oh yeah - and if you have a look at this link (if it still works), it'll show you how the health stuff links together www.youtube.com...



[edit on 27-9-2009 by Aussie Bill]

My son just got out of the hospital today. He had swine flu. On Wednesday, he had gotten in trouble at school, and was an angel at night that night. Did the dishes after school, was offering to do just about everything to make mom and dad happy. We were set to go to see Metallica on monday night in San Antionio. Bought the tickets on 4/4, and they sold out 2 days later. We have cancelled our plans, and i gave the tickets away to my best friend, his sister, and her girlfriend. They are going to sell the 4th ticket for a little pocket change. It makes me feel good to give them those tickets, and helps the pain of missing the concert.

Late on Wednesday night, right before bed, he said, "Dad, i think i need a breathing treatment. I am a little short of breath" (he has a slightly compromised respiratory system, by official standards). He did his breathing treatment and went to sleep.

Thursday morning he didn't want to go to school. Fever of 102.7, so he stayed home. He didn't wake up all day. Developed a sleep apnea that was scary to watch. We had the first available appointment, which was Friday am at 10. His doctor is extremely kind, and i respect him enormously. He is what i look for in a doctor in every single way.

He slept straight through until friday morning. I went to work, my wife took him to the doctor. We had been treating him with our standard: mucinex, breathing treatment, humidifier, vicks, cough syrup for sleep, and motrin every 4 hours, with tylenol staggered every 4 hours to keep fever away.

On friday morning the doctor saw him, was writing prescriptions for stuff like tamiflu, pancof, etc. He lost consciousness while the doctor was standing there, so he got admitted.

His blood O2 was 85%. they put him on 3% O2, opened an IV drip to rehydrate him, gave him breathing treatments every 4 hours, tylenol every 4 hours, and tamiflu every 12 hours. He recovered quickly and came home this morning.

The swine flu was horrible. I can see how people can die from it. But if there is enough Tamiflu, it is pretty responsive and we should be able to withstand it.

On a side note, my wife and i both have been all up in his mix. Neither of us are showing any symptoms. Maybe we had the one back in the 70's?

The doctor verified. At first he said "Type A", then narrowed it down to H1N1. If it is a bioweapon, it is extremely poorly designed. There isn't much to fear if you have access to healthcare.

[edit on 27-9-2009 by bigfatfurrytexan]

reply to post by MightyAl

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Oh were to begin you misunderstood most of it.First an antigens are what fights viruses what your reading is the creation of a vaccine. Next just because something was first identified in say Asia doesn't mean thats the only place its found. Asian flu quite regularly makes it way to the united states along with European strains so your theory that someone had to take these from different locations is silly!

PS if this was a BIO weapon its about the saddest ever since 99% of the people that get it will catch a cold then get over it.Weapons grade anthrax kills over 80% swine flew 1% wow thats just bad bio engineering.

[edit on 9/27/09 by dragonridr]

Sorry that i have not read the entire thread but the vaccine was created by those that created the virus in a us weapons lab perhaps fort dix etc, the squelene we do not want, this is about the people of every country in the world that does not want this killer vaccine mandated on them, this supposed swine flu is actuallly very benign, the fall flu is ackually more nasty, the vaccine that they want you to take, will kill you and yours much sooner than any flu outbreak, bearing any sembense to a virus out of africa which was sent to them from the usa anyway.....the skies really do tell the story,, barium carbonate, aluminum,. and what ever, as soon as the lights went down today the poofs in the sky started, no way that there are over a 100 flights to alaska in one day and alaskan airliines out of seatlle does not fly white bottomed converted 767's but fairchild AFB does my 2 cents, so ducking now

That's interesting that the Tamiflu treatment worked for your son. I worked in a pharmacy for 4 years during college and the only thing I ever heard from the pharmacists was about how much of a waste of money it was. I read through some of the studies and they all pretty much say that tamiflu is only effective if it is taken within lik 24-72 hours of being infected with the virus, so this means you would have to be taking it before you had any symptoms most likely. I personally wouldn't spend money on it and I know that no pharmacist or doctor that I ever worked with ever purchased any. Also with mucinex, studies showed that it was only as effective as drinking larger than average amounts of water. Just my 2 cents.

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Well, it is so good to here you came through this alright. I know it must have been a scary and difficult time for you and your wife.

Now you can rest assured that anything more potent that comes along, your child is better protected than most children.

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I believe this is a test run.Testing the peoples reactions for the most part,but there are numerous things to study/test.

Still planning,worse,much worse on the way.Only my thoughts of course...but if we have been paying even a little attn. to the direction things are progressing,and the way in which our govt. seems to function,how can we possibly think otherwise at this point?

Animals survive by instinct.People have those skills,but we constantly use our logic to try to understand or explain away things that don't 'sit right' with us.

Now the gov't is trying to seperate man(or elite) from beast by painting protesters and others who disagree with them as savages.And because our instincts are still strong,and some of us still maintain the power to recognize when the prickly hairs stand up on the back of our necks,and are listening to those instincts-instead of the brainwashed nonsense ..the tests are coming.

We're all going to be labled for one thing or another.

If you refuse a vaccine.
If you protest.
Whatever.

Just my 2 cents

Not that a valid argument has not been made, but swine flu just reeked of man made ever since it's beginnings.
I have no proof but I feel that but Big RX has become the most indiscriminate killing machine since the crusades and WW2.

$$$$TRILLIONS$$$$$$$ on research, and nothing more than sustainable sickness the whole way around.
Every single disease has become sustainable through drugs. Read the writing on the wall.


[edit on 9/28/2009 by reticledc]

H1N1 swine flu shot: Intense tracking for side effects

The government is starting an unprecedented system to track possible side effects as mass flu vaccinations begin next month. The idea is to detect any rare but real problems quickly, and explain the inevitable coincidences that are sure to cause some false alarms.

"Every day, bad things happen to people. When you vaccinate a lot of people in a short period of time, some of those things are going to happen to some people by chance alone," said Dr. Daniel Salmon, a vaccine safety specialist at the Department of Health and Human Services.

Health authorities hope to vaccinate well over half the population in just a few months against swine flu, which doctors call the 2009 H1N1 strain. That would be a feat. No more than 100 million Americans usually get vaccinated against regular winter flu, and never in such a short period.

How many will race for the vaccine depends partly on confidence in its safety. The last mass inoculations against a different swine flu, in 1976, were marred by reports of a rare paralyzing condition, Guillain-Barre syndrome.

"The recurring question is, 'How do we know it's safe?"' said Dr. Gregory Poland of the Mayo Clinic.

Enter the intense new monitoring. On top of routine vaccine tracking, there are these government-sponsored projects:

--Harvard Medical School scientists are linking large insurance databases that cover up to 50 million people with vaccination registries around the country for real-time checks of whether people see a doctor in the weeks after a flu shot and why. The huge numbers make it possible to quickly compare rates of complaints among the vaccinated and unvaccinated, said the project leader, Dr. Richard Platt, Harvard's population medicine chief.

--Johns Hopkins University will direct e-mails to at least 100,000 vaccine recipients to track how they're feeling, including the smaller complaints that wouldn't prompt a doctor visit. If anything seems connected, researchers can call to follow up with detailed questions.

--The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is preparing take-home cards that tell vaccine recipients how to report any suspected side effects to the nation's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting system.

"We don't have any reason to expect any unusual problems with this vaccine," said Dr. Neal Halsey, director of Hopkins' Institute for Vaccine Safety, who is directing the e-mail surveillance.

After all, the new H1N1 vaccine is a mere recipe change from the regular winter flu shot that's been used for decades in hundreds of millions of people without serious problems. Nor have there been any red flags in the few thousand people given test doses in studies to determine the right H1N1 dose. They've gotten the same sore arms and occasional headache or fever that's par for a winter flu shot.

But because this H1N1 flu targets the young more than the old, this may be the year that unprecedented numbers of children and pregnant women are vaccinated.

Then there's the glare of the Internet -- where someone merely declaring on Facebook that he's sure the shot did harm could cause a wave of similar reports. Health authorities will have to tell quickly if there really do seem to be more cases of a particular health problem than usual.

So the CDC is racing to compile a list of what's normal: 25,000 heart attacks every week; 14,000 to 19,000 miscarriages every week; 300 severe allergic reactions called anaphylaxis every week.

Any spike would mean fast checking to see if the vaccine really seems to increase risk and by how much, so health officials could issue appropriate warnings.

Very rare side effects by definition could come to light only after large-scale inoculations begin -- making this the year scientists may finally learn if flu vaccine truly is linked to Guillain-Barre, an often reversible but sometimes fatal paralysis. It's believed to strike between 1 and 2 of every 100,000 people. It often occurs right after another infection, such as food poisoning or even influenza.

But the vaccine concern stems from 1976, when 500 cases were reported among the 45 million people vaccinated against that year's swine flu. Scientists never could prove if the vaccine really caused the extra risk. The CDC maintains that if the regular winter flu vaccine is related, the risk is no more than a single case per million vaccinated.

So the question becomes, Is the risk of disease greater than that?

Mayo's Poland cites a study in Chicago that found the rate of preschoolers being hospitalized for the new H1N1 flu last spring was 2 1/2 times higher than that possible Guillain-Barre risk.

However the flu season turns out, the extra vaccine tracking promises a lasting impact.

"Part of what we hope is that it will teach us something about how to monitor the safety of all medical products quickly," said Harvard's Platt.

www.9news.com...

I heard today from a source outside of Mexico City that there have been no ACTUAL cases of swine flu there Just your normal everyday flu that is getting accused of being the swine flu.

I would have thought it was reasonable to assume that pharmaceutical research laboratories would tend to work pre-emptively on vaccines for the majority of their time. How else can they be prepared for major outbreaks of newly mutated viruses?

The scenario described in Natural News is naive and inaccurate. For this virus to have mutated would not require some hypothetical bird to fly from North America to Europe and then to Asia. It would only require massive farm factories of swine and poultry. Such enormous collections of animals encourage the spread of infectious diseases. Once a virus infects an animal in these farms, that virus can spread to the other animals as well as to humans. It can jump species. These animals and humans travel throughout the world. Mutations and virus spreading is almost inevitable.

The patent application for a vaccine is old news; it was discussed in a previous thread. There is nothing sinister or even suspicious about such an application. Basically the description uses a sort of "shotgun" approach to list the various types of virus. The fact that H1N1 is mentioned is no mystery. They wanted to include as many possibilities as possible. At the time, they didn't know which of these variants would be the one(s) to cause flu this season. They wanted to protect their vaccine, whichever variant(s) led to the next flu epidemic.

All vaccines rely on an antigen. That's what a vaccine is - introduction of an antigen into the body, to teach the immune system to recognize and destroy a virus or bacterium. If you want to immunize against H1N1 influenza, you use an H1N1 influenza antigen. This is usually either a killed virus, or a seriously weakened one that can't cause disease. The body develops a response to that particular antigen. Then, if you're exposed to the same type of virus, your body already knows how to deal with it, and can wipe it out before it causes disease.

Unfortunately, influenza virus mutates quite freely, as well as exchanging genetic material with other viruses. The flu you're resistant to this year may mutate into something your body won't recognize next time, so you could get sick.

At the time of filing a patent application, companies don't know which variant will dominate. They include anything that seems possible, since basically the techniques for creating vaccines for the variants are the same; only the specific antigen differs.

While there is no doubt that the Baxter patent application preceded the knowledge of which virus would predominate, this proves nothing. What you haven't shown is that this application is any different from others of previous years. H1N1 is a common virus for which companies are prepared to create a vaccine.

Check out previous patent applications, from 1992 onward:

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I could go on, but I think you get the idea. It's no big deal that someone mentioned H1N1 influenza in a patent application. It's just one of dozens of types of flu that might make the rounds, so they included it among the other dozens. No mystery, no conspiracy, nothing much to talk about.

[edit on 9/28/2009 by chiron613]

i believe this is Jane Burgermeister's latest interview here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

check it out for lots of details!

EDIT:
i almost forgot about this other radio interview she performed not too long ago, posted in my other thread regarding her, here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 28-9-2009 by adrenochrome]

If someone was into "depopulation of the world"... they would design a killer virus and unleash it on the world.... after having vaccinated the people they want to live with a vaccine designed to thwart the killer virus.

Someone asked earlier...is the it the vaccine or the virus that is so bad?..

Logic would dictate the vaccine might save your butt in such a scenario...however I will still decline. Bureaucrats are prone to reverse logic.