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Topic started on 27-9-2009 @ 10:05 AM by TheCoffinman

edition.cnn.com...

Honduras is accusing Brazil's government of instigating an insurrection within its borders, and gave the Brazilian Embassy 10 days to decide the status of ousted Honduran President Jose Manuel Zelaya, who has taken refuge there.

They've already tried to gas him out..

On Friday, Zelaya said he and supporters were victims of a "neurotoxic" gas attack that caused many people to have nose bleeds and breathing difficulties

of course honduras denies this.. what could honduras possibley do in 10 days to force brazil to give up Zelaya? and if they do get Zelaya what would they do with him? he has the support of the people supposedly, doing anything other than letting him go, deporting him could result in a civil war.. Zelaya seems to have the support of Venezuela, Ecuador, and Brazil...

President Barack Obama has condemned the coup, refused to recognize Micheletti, cut $16.5 million in military aid and thrown his support behind the mediation efforts of Costa Rican President Oscar Arias, whose proposals include Zelaya's reinstatement. Washington is also revoking diplomatic visas for several members of Micheletti's administration.

Is the Honduran government alone on this one? sure seems like it..

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reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 11:19 AM by lucentenigma

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I wonder what the tipping point would be?

A rescue by helicopter and Micheletti shoots it down?

Plus it's a long sail from Brasil to Honduras.

Not sure how an all out war would work.

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reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 01:27 PM by RoofMonkey

It seems that everybody is hell bent on breaking Constitutions.

Zelaya violated the Honduran Constitution, was removed for it... and everybody in creation wants to put him back... except for the rest of the Honduran government. No surprise...even the US government... who seems to have a knack for not following it's own Constitution.

How did that phrase go?

"Just Words"

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 01:34 PM by TheCoffinman

www.reuters.com...

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula Silva rejected the ultimatum on Sunday and demanded an apology from Honduras' de facto leader Roberto Micheletti, who issued a harsh statement late on Saturday warning that his government would be forced to take action if Brazil does not define Zelaya's status soon.

Brazil will not comply with an ultimatum from a government of coup mongers," -Silva

A line in the sand has been drawn now... Honduras said get him out in 10 days or they would be FORCED to take action and brazil says we are going to ignore you and your threats... where is this gonna go??

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 01:56 PM by Sundancer

We have family and friends in Honduras. We aren't hearing the whole truth from main stream media as usual.

There are a few who support Zelaya but most do not. It would be like the people in the states outing Bush after he started dismantling the constitution (illegal spying on Americans, imprisonment without charges.)

He would still have his Christian supporters rioting to keep him in power but the majority of the country would be demanding the constitution (what he took a vow to protect) be upheld with new government.

The majority of the Hondurans want Zelaya' gone and are willing to live through some inconveniences and civil unrest in order to secure and protect the highest law of their land (constitution) for their children's future.

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reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 03:39 PM by TheCoffinman

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thanks for clearing that up for me. why the international community supports Zelaya then is beyond me..

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 07:14 PM by Sky watcher

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
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thanks for clearing that up for me. why the international community supports Zelaya then is beyond me..

Because Obama doesn't want the same done to him so he is not supporting the Hondurans. I have allot of people down there and they are all Christians, None of them support the ex-president wannabe dictator.

If Brazil messes with Honduras at all and the U.S. doesn't help Honduras then you could possibly see a coup attempt here in the states. Allot of influential people have allot invested in Honduras and Obama would be a fool to try and mess with that.

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 07:23 PM by ROBL240

Got these newsflashes from Twitter BNO the past hour..

Reuters: New decree will allow the Honduran government to suspend any media outlet and ban protests, blaming "disturbances of peace."

JUST IN -- Reuters: De facto Honduran government issues decree allowing it to suspend freedom of speech.

..I doubt the people of Honuras will take it lightly that their president has turned their country into a dictatorship.

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 07:32 PM by ozzraven

Thats not the whole picture either....

Its sad to see how in some countries the idea of democracy ...is being destroyed again.

Zelaya could be the worst president, but a coup d'etat is not the solution.

In the third world we live, center and southamerica, Still exists social inequalities... and still exists a group of people with power who thinks that they can take away the decision of the people, and then they support military actions against elected leaders

THATS WHY the world is against this....

And i agree to that....

This privileged people, they dont care about dictatorship. for them, dictatorships is only when is a socialist-communist one, or when a goverment take away his privileges in order to resolve some of the poverty of lack of education in this countries....

Its sad... i though we let all that behind in the seventies.....

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reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 07:41 PM by Sky watcher

Originally posted by ROBL240
Got these newsflashes from Twitter BNO the past hour..

Reuters: New decree will allow the Honduran government to suspend any media outlet and ban protests, blaming "disturbances of peace."

JUST IN -- Reuters: De facto Honduran government issues decree allowing it to suspend freedom of speech.

..I doubt the people of Honuras will take it lightly that their president has turned their country into a dictatorship.

Yeah, Don't believe everything you see. It was the courts who ordered the army to boot the ex-president. They had warned the president not to try overriding the Constitution, He did try and they arrested him according to their Constitution.

We have the same system here but since a crooked Congress is in the way nothing will ever be done to our new dictator Obama.

The government in this situation is right, They don't want anyone to fuel the fire and cause mass problems when they could be facing communist aggression from all sides soon.

The Communist have been trying to get Honduras for along time, Now that Obama is in power they have the go ahead to take it. If that happens, then we are likely to see an invasion from Mexico in the near future.

First Honduras then Columbia and Costa Rica will be overran. All the other countries are highly in debt to the world bank and loyal to Russia.

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 07:45 PM by Sky watcher

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OMG!!! It was ordered by the Courts because the ex-pres was trying to override the Constitution. It was 100 percent legal. The army did the will of the people, I know its hard for you to grasp an army doing the right thing but thats what it is.

The same thing should have been done to Bush and Obama.

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 09:02 PM by TheCoffinman

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Honduras' de facto government threatened on Sunday to close Brazil's embassy for harboring ousted President Manuel Zelaya and moved to suppress dissent, defying international pressure to give up power.

the crisis escalates...

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 09:03 PM by ozzraven

The constitution was a legacy of a dictatorship, like many countries in the americas.

if that people want to change the constitution, lets declare this action against the law !:.....

If most people wants changes... then they have to stop it, otherwise they could lose his privileges......

The destitution of zelaya is one thing, and there are legal ways to do it

The kidnapp and coup of the president... is far more against the law.... in their constitution is basically , treason !.

reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 09:16 PM by ozzraven

Comunnism died two decades ago.

I never understood the ignorance of grown up people who believes in this red media monster. The USA influence in the americas tried to make us scare of Comunnism , Che and Fidel. Thats why USA never terminate him... they needed that scary ghost....

after 40 years, the sons of the first Anti-Communist believers, keep the flame burning.... And in a big difference with USA, they dont like democracy here.... they prefer dictatorship. They are scared because they are minority in our countries,, and democracy means what most citizens wants for they future....

In Americas, people wants the end of the excessive social inequalities... And that isnt communism !!!!!

people doesnt want to lose his freedom, or the end of being slaves of the economy system in order to being slaves of an ideologic movement

people wants more social guarantees... just that...

and because most of the constitutions were created in military goverments ... they give benefits just to a tiny part of the citizens.

There is no respect for democracy , and thats a shame

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reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 06:49 AM by TheCoffinman

www.google.com...

Interim government leaders have suspended constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties in a pre-emptive strike against widespread rebellion. i think things are about to get pretty serious in Honduras

reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 12:04 PM by TheCoffinman

www.google.com...

Honduras' coup-installed government silenced two key dissident broadcasters on Monday just hours after it suspended civil liberties to prevent an uprising by backers of ousted President Manuel Zelaya.

200 soldiers raided the offices of Radio Globo. Officials also shut down Channel 36 television station. I think the Sh*t is about to hit the fan here... things are going downhill real fast..

Supporters of the deposed leftist president vowed to march in the streets Monday in defiance of the emergency order and carry out what Zelaya calls a "final offensive"

reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 04:49 PM by TheCoffinman

www.reuters.com...

The United States blasted ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya for his "irresponsible and foolish" return from exile before a settlement was reached in the Central American country's political crisis.

reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 06:47 PM by TheCoffinman

www.google.com...

An attack by police and soldiers on the Brazilian embassy in Honduras, where that country's deposed president is holed up, "would be a disaster," a senior U.N. official said Monday.

reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 07:53 PM by TheCoffinman