reply to post by Helious
I agree in principle with what you write, there is simply no possibility of the American people winning in a physical conflict with your own federal
I've seen people on here suggest several times that the troops would not attack their own people, well, I disagree.
We repeatedly see your troops acting in direct opposition to the Constitution. We've seen your Police dressed in riot gear, beating up girls,
snatching teenagers off the street, terrorizing a university...
They all swore to protect and serve the American people, not the government. And yet, here they are, just "following orders".
The federal government has already begun to paint any who have an opposing view as a potential "domestic terrorist". Those are the people who
protest for their rights, the people who speak up about abuses of power and authority, those are the intelligent people who dare to challenge existing
ideas and actions of government. They're all on watch lists. This automatically makes them suspects without charge.
In a conflict between the people and the government, no restraint would be shown. Within hours they could easily destroy any dissenting group simply
by sheer force. There is simply no chance of the people winning against that kind of military power.
But, I also have to state that your proposal of democratic ousting of leadership through vote is a fallacy.
The two party system is a failure, it's a sham.
If anyone out there has any doubts about this, just go back over everything Obama promised. Then look at what has actually changed.
Where is there any real difference? Obama is still spending you into immeasurable debt, you're still loosing young men and women in wars for profit
and strategy against Iran, he's blocked freedom of information on CIA crimes, he's still detaining people without charge and without counsel...
Obama is just another head of the same beast, the one being controlled by a select group behind government, and we all know it.
I party agree with Celente in that you need a third party. But because the existing machine would do everything in its power to destroy that, this
isn't enough on its own.
I think you need to do the following in concert:
1. You need to force several states to leave the union. Through peaceful protest and public pressure, you need to convince your elected regional
leaders that they need to suspend support to the federal government. I can almost guarantee that once one state does, others will follow.
This will allow each state to act independently for a period of time, away from the constraints of federal government. It vastly improves your
prospects for creating a viable third, fourth or fifth party.
2. You need to form several new parties, entirely independent of corporate support. You don't need the massive funds for campaigning, you don't need
100 staff members, you don't need national donation requests. Any new party would actually be more credible in the coming years for refusing to waste
so much money. Support is gained not through how much money you raise, but what your opinions are and your vision of a future for America.
3. You need to protest peacefully and vocally in your state for the above, and for new limits on federal control of the states.
4. You need to remove your support to existing media, through protest and boycott. It is not acceptable for a so-called free press to state their
opinions about protest groups or government. They are supposed to report the facts, not give their opinion. There is no free press until it works in
an unbiased fashion. Turn off your TV.
I suggest all of the above because the existing machine is so vast and so powerful that nothing can be changed simply through creating a third party,
or protesting, or being angry, or attacking the party in power, as a single action.
This will take more than begging to be heard, and it'll take more than simply getting angry and joining a militia in the misguided belief that your
pathetic little rifle can take down the most powerful military structure in the world.
Any suggestion of an "armed uprising" is entirely delusional. Those naive enough to try it will be labelled a "domestic terrorist cell" within
moments and destroyed within hours. It doesn't matter if you're 100 strong, or 100.000 strong, you cannot extinguish a volcano with a water
Those who compare this to the civil war are also delusional. The Civil war was fought by people with guns, against people with guns. Any second
scenario of civil war will be people with guns fighting tanks, grenades, gas, chemicals, choppers, drones, intelligence...
Just look at any instance where a people have gone against a military. The people die in their millions.
You see wars being fought all over this planet, and where there is an imbalance of capability, the people die in massive numbers.
Having said all of the above, I do not believe that any of this will happen (okay, maybe the third party, through default) because Americans on the
whole are uneducated in reality. The majority watch corporate news, the majority don't think something as bad as Nazi Germany could happen again, the
majority are happy to hand over responsibility to a federal authority if it makes them comfortable for another day and they don't actually have to
think for themselves.
Unfortunately, Nazi Germany can happen again. That doesn't mean concentration camps and ideas on global domination, it simply means fascism.
No, before anyone jumps up and down screaming about it, I don't compare Obama to Hitler, I think that's laughable, if a little distasteful. But what
I do know is that these things can happen organically. It doesn't have to have a sick individual at the helm.
When corporations that already operate with the single goal of making profit for a few at the expense of the masses are controlling government, it is
inevitable unless that cycle is broken.
The NWO that many of you fear consists of corporate power over government, and that inevitably leads to fascism where everything is designed to make
profit for the few at the cost to the masses, and it's already happening in every western nation.