Clergy Abuse - a Chicken or the Egg Situation, page 1
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Topic started on 26-9-2009 @ 06:40 PM by kiwifoot
I don't really need to give examples of Clergy abuse. There are many well documented examples of Priest, Father, Rabbi and Nun abuse in every corner of the world.

What I want to do is to ask a simple question.

Are these people already like that when they enter the Clergy, or are they made like that by entering the clergy?

Like I said in the title, it's a Chicken or the Egg scenarios.

Is it unnatural for a human being to refrain from sex? Does living a chaste life in the service of one's God, stifle sexual urges that one day just explode?

I mean no disrespect to religion, nor the thousands of pastors and religious leaders that are wonderful people, serving their respective flocks.

What makes these people abuse? Are they already like that before they enter their life of servitude, or do their lives of servitude and abstinence trigger these sick urges?

I know this is a hard topic, I hope we can have an intelligent debate about this.

In case you're wondering why I thought of this, today on the
BBC website:



Indecency probe cleric found dead

A Cambridge University cleric who was under investigation for indecency has been found dead at his home.

The Reverend Ian Thompson, Dean of Chapel at King's College, died at his house in Great Shelford, Cambridgeshire, on Thursday afternoon.

The clergyman, born in Glasgow, was being investigated for crimes in the Strathclyde area.

Paramedics were called to attend a cardiac arrest. His death is not being treated as suspicious.

A spokeswoman for Strathclyde Police said: "We can confirm a report was sent to Procurator Fiscal on 3 December 2007 in connection with alleged historical indecencies regarding the Reverend Ian Thompson."

An East of England Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: "Paramedics attempted CPR but were unable to resuscitate the man.

"He was pronounced dead at the scene."

The clergyman was involved in the Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols, broadcast each Christmas Eve, since 2005.

A graduate of the University of Aberdeen, he was a commanding officer in the Salvation Army for many years before being ordained in 1994.


All the best, kiwifoot.


[edit on 26-9-2009 by kiwifoot]


reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 12:02 AM by DevilJin
It is really based on the psychological aspects of the person himself. But before I get to that, it must be known that many clergymen become such (clergymen that is) because they believe they want to do God's work but that is nothing easy. It does not add up to anything evidential. It is a work of continuing sacrifice which is why you should really know whether or not you want to be a servant of God or not.

Now, because you are supposed to refrain from sexual activity that are not within the bonds of marriage (let it be known that the Bible does not state marriage couples cannot be horny rabbits. I think it was St. Augustine the one who clarified sex should be only for making babies -anyway) that built up, that repression is released in a river of perversion. Sexual repression is a dangerous thing, especially if matched with exceeding loneliness and when sexuality is finally expressed, it is usually through viewing pornography, masturbation, bondage, etc. something extreme. My point is that a healthy sex life is important and should not be repressed. It does much more damage to you than it does help you. Of course, some people can refrain for a long time without it. Those people are truly "masters of their domain". Seriously though, religious people who can refrain are truly believers in God.

On the other side, you do have those clergymen with clear intentions of raping little boys, then turning around and hating on gays because they want some adult action. lol. Anyway, there is no way to tell but both are really based on childhood and whether or not there is a healthy release of sexual tension.

[edit on 28-9-2009 by DevilJin]
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