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reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 08:32 AM by arcnaver
The key clue in the amendments here is

Congress shall make no law respecting /shall not be infringed


So if you want a Tank, yes, they cannot make a law against you having a Tank, that was the whole point in the amendments so that the People held the power, This the Bench Kings have nullified with unlawful rulings.



Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.


Are these people treasonous...some yes, usually the leaders but not always and as a general rule, no. They are mostly just protesters, people in the cross fire and or useful idiots.

The Chief of Police has the duty to uphold the law. So...if a protest of an event turns violent consistently and regularly, the proper preemptive action would be to stop them before they got that far. How do you know? Key indicators like leaders of trouble making groups showing up. Fires, broken windows, rocks being thrown and dumpsters being driven into police lines. People wearing headbands and shirts and other symbols that identify them and unify them as such in a group known and seen making trouble. Like the Anarchists.

You have the right of protest, but you do not have the right to infringe others rights in so doing to their life, liberty and property or the use of it.

Its really hard for a BBS and Youtube Warrior to know when that line has been crossed by looking through our Goggles. When Protest turns to Treason. When Police upholding the Law, turns to Police Brutality. Both sides are equal in their flaws. You use the power you wield in your hands liberally and as a group, if you do not have a conscientious leader, the group will turn into a MOB. Mob of protesters, Mob of Police and LEO's. They both suffer from Human Weaknesses.


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 08:33 AM by Myendica
reply to post by photobug


if everyone else gets to abuse authority, why not the chief of police? just saying. i agree with u though.



reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 08:43 AM by arcnaver
reply to post by Myendica


He is human and during times of great stress, human can sometimes fail their own convictions. So yeah, I suppose this could happen and more then likely does happen.


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 09:31 AM by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by 0neKnows


YOu have the right to take a different street. The protesters were there first.

If you see someone occupying a parkbench, are you going to call the cops to kick his ass off of it, because you have a right to sit there?

Nevermind . . . you guys probably would.


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 11:13 AM by Ahabstar
I see lots of crying of the denial of 1st amendment right to peacefully assemble, to freely speak you opinion especially when the message is to state a specific grievance against actions of the government.

The police chief, via tape recorded loudspeaker, has determined it is an illegal demonstration. I suppose that means no permit, no permission constitutional or not.

Why don't these geniuses read the next paragraph and carry? Simple really, reply via your own bullhorn that the right to peacefully assemble is constitutionally guaranteed and will be enforced by the second amendment if THEY do not disperse and move on?

Seriously, a shield wall of officers in riot gear is not going to stand off versus armed citizens that give them a countdown and begin barking orders over a bullhorn to form ranks and prepare to lay down suppression fire.

Always remember that police officers are doing a job. They are regular people with families, houses and lives outside of work. Give them the courtesy of announcing a single volley warning shot over their heads when their time is up and see if they do not start breaking ranks. Failure to take your group seriously at that point or any hostile action at any point give the order to fire at will.

Yep, heavy handed tactics and yes people will indeed die by your direct action. But if your cause is truly just and you are honestly protecting yourself from the actions of a real enemy, then you should have no problem taking it to this point, right?

Or is there something about your cause, or your message or your convictions that would make this course of action wrong? If so, then maybe you need to reevaluate your position.


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 11:52 AM by billybob
reply to post by Ahabstar


i could see this happening in the near future if they continue to steam roll the constitution, AND the dollar continues to plummet.

but, they are ready. anyone who tries to muster up a group of violent protesters will be caught talking about it on the phone through the unwarranted wiretapping laws, and then will be quietly removed from 'society' (outdoor prison, lol), and put into indoor prison.
anyone training for such action will be picked up by satellite, and will be nipped in the bud.

the ONLY way the above bloody scenario will happen is with a catalyzing event, like, for example, an executive order that democracy and the constitution have been suspended, or a de facto act indirectly saying the same.
although, with the internet, a good meme could take hold the same way "4:20" has.
revolution is not called revolution for nothing. it is a cycle. when "they" push the wheel of injustice hard enough, the worm will turn, if i can mix my metaphors.


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 12:12 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by Jenna
You can legally protest, you just can't legally damage someone's property or assault them by throwing things at them. That is the difference between a peaceful, lawful assembly and what some have chosen to do in Pittsburgh.


Well-said, Jenna.

Originally posted by MkUltraman
This is my favorite video from the Protests:

www.youtube.com...


Do you know what he did that compelled the "authorities" to arrest him?


The G-20 Joint Information Center, which can be reached at xxx-xxx-xxxx, issued this statement to me which explains exactly what is going on in that video:

The individuals involved in the 9/24/2009 arrest which has appeared online are law enforcement officers from a multi-agency tactical response team assigned to the security operations for the G20.

It is not unusual for tactical team members to wear camouflaged fatigues. The type of fatigues the officers wear designates their unit affiliation. Prior to the arrest, the officers observed this subject vandalizing a local business. Due to the hostile nature of the crowd, officer safety and the safety of the person under arrest, the subject was immediately removed from the area.

So, yes, the video is real. However, it wasn’t the military and the guy wasn’t being kidnapped. Instead he was being arrested for vandalism.


Edited to remove telephone number.

Source

Those who had permits had peaceful protests. Thousands of of legitimate protesters were permitted to have their say.

Like This


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 12:50 PM by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


But in all the videos I have seen, the protesters were basically antagonized by the LEO's.


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 01:14 PM by ArMaP
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


You just have to follow the links posted by Benevolent Heretic, it's not that hard.


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 02:56 PM by Lemon.Fresh
Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


You just have to follow the links posted by Benevolent Heretic, it's not that hard.


I have seen all the videos, thanks.

Like I said . . . the police are antagonizing the protesters.


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 03:29 PM by saulbeats
My house is right in the middle of spot of the protests Thursday afternoon. It is NOT true that the demonstrators 'went nuts' and trashed the neighborhood. No one in the neighborhood was assaulted and no one's homes were burned, bashed, or broken. As a matter of fact, the police bombardment started before most even left the park that acted as a meeting place. Also, the G20 Resistance Project, the local group responsible for organizing the events of Thursday afternoon, has already stated that they STRONGLY suspect agitator infiltration.


Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by photobug


Generally speaking, a bunch of people standing around being peaceful aren't going to get too much flak over it from the cops. But a group of people damaging property, throwing things at the police, etc. are definitely going to catch a lot of flak. I've read several news articles about the Pittsburgh protests and there's been a lot of people using it as an excuse to go nuts and do the things listed above.

You can legally protest, you just can't legally damage someone's property or assault them by throwing things at them. That is the difference between a peaceful, lawful assembly and what some have chosen to do in Pittsburgh.



reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 03:33 PM by saulbeats
Notice what is said there, people are able to have their say as long as the authorities permit them to have their say. What if authority doesn't like what I have to say? Tear gas and sonic cannons.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by Jenna
You can legally protest, you just can't legally damage someone's property or assault them by throwing things at them. That is the difference between a peaceful, lawful assembly and what some have chosen to do in Pittsburgh.


Well-said, Jenna.

Originally posted by MkUltraman
This is my favorite video from the Protests:

www.youtube.com...


Do you know what he did that compelled the "authorities" to arrest him?


The G-20 Joint Information Center, which can be reached at xxx-xxx-xxxx, issued this statement to me which explains exactly what is going on in that video:

The individuals involved in the 9/24/2009 arrest which has appeared online are law enforcement officers from a multi-agency tactical response team assigned to the security operations for the G20.

It is not unusual for tactical team members to wear camouflaged fatigues. The type of fatigues the officers wear designates their unit affiliation. Prior to the arrest, the officers observed this subject vandalizing a local business. Due to the hostile nature of the crowd, officer safety and the safety of the person under arrest, the subject was immediately removed from the area.

So, yes, the video is real. However, it wasn’t the military and the guy wasn’t being kidnapped. Instead he was being arrested for vandalism.


Edited to remove telephone number.

Source

Those who had permits had peaceful protests. Thousands of of legitimate protesters were permitted to have their say.

Like This


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[edit on 27-9-2009 by saulbeats]


reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 03:39 PM by Ahabstar
reply to post by billybob


I am not advocating violence, just stating that sometimes you have to stand up for yourself when no one else will. Of course trying to organize a deliberate violent protest would get you nailed. Heck, I would nail you myself.

And if you have to rely on cell phones and facebook/my space postings to organize an event of that order, then your position should be immediately reevaluated, before it is done for you.
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