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Data About 9/11 I'd really like to see...




Topic started on 26-9-2009 @ 09:25 AM by rich23


This is just a wishlist, I know, and although some data may not be available, subpoenas could make a dent in some areas. This is probably not my last post listing specifics in this thread... I'm sure more will occur to me. Please feel free to chime in with your own.

#1: All the Pentagon videotape.

Well, it's the obvious one, isn't it? Mind you, Craig Ranke did commendable work with just the Citgo footage... Anyway, a lot's been said about it and I'm not about to rehash it here. Onward to...

#2: Airport CCTV footage of all the alleged passengers, including the hijackers.

From what I've read, there were rather a lot of Raytheon employees on the passenger lists. (Actually, at this point, something comes into focus: it explains why the passenger lists don't contain the names of the hijackers. We'll come back to this.)

Suppose they were people who'd found out too much, or would be able to testify to things they'd seen and perhaps not understood at the time, but would in the aftermath?

So... there's a lot of CCTV footage in airports. We've seen a couple of indistinct shots of the hijackers boarding a connecting plane IIRC, but I'd like to be able to place all of the alleged passengers and, as far as possible, track their progress through the airport. Who was a "real" passenger? Were they all there? If not, who was missing?

My guess is that there would be some "collateral damage" - real people. Then, perhaps, some Raytheon people... but maybe they weren't all there. Perhaps some had been killed beforehand and their names were simply added to the list.

But if we could see the CCTV footage, we'd know a lot more about it.

It's almost certainly gone now, perhaps spirited away by the men with suits and badges.

And it does provide one possible scenario to explain the passenger lists. They had to have a final list of people who were to be on the flight, compiled at the last minute. It's likely they'd think that the hijackers' names weren't needed because they already knew them: and not required for the purposes of that list, which would have been more about whose families they'd have to keep an eye on.

then that list got released and no-one thought to put the hijackers' names back in.

#3: The Precise Movements and all communications of certain political figures on that day.

And, in fact, for many days either side... nothing too intrusive, you know... just the kind of attention these mean-spirited shameless parasites want to turn on us. Except they're the ones who should be under close scrutiny because your (unconstitutionally levied) taxes pay their wages. If the manager at a wal-mart can measure employees' bathroom time...

Now I'm sure we can all put our heads together to form a list: my first nominees are obvious: Dick Cheney, G.H.W.Bush, and Porter Goss.



[edit on 26-9-2009 by rich23]



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reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 03:40 AM by sanchoearlyjones


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I don't think it ever becomes to exhaustive hearing questions in regard to 9/11. Maybe to the government, and the Elite puppeteers behind them, but to the intelligent People it never does. You stress the CCTV cameras, and simply releasing that, should the govt. explanation be legit would end all the speculations, but they don't.....
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reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 11:59 AM by GoodOlDave


Originally posted by rich23
From what I've read, there were rather a lot of Raytheon employees on the passenger lists. (Actually, at this point, something comes into focus: it explains why the passenger lists don't contain the names of the hijackers. We'll come back to this.)


As soon as you said this, you've lost all your credibility. The names of the hijackers *are* on the passenger lists. This "they're not on the passenger lists" bit comes from the list CNN released showing the names of the VICTIMS, which obviously don't include the names of the hijackers for the same reason they don't include the names of SS guards falling out of guard towers on the roster of people killed at Auschwitz. The names are on the actual passenger lists as released by the airlines.

Suppose they were people who'd found out too much, or would be able to testify to things they'd seen and perhaps not understood at the time, but would in the aftermath?


You can "suppose" the attack was staged by space aliens from the planet Nudnig of the 23rd dimension, too, if you'd like. In the end, you still gotta prove it, otherwise it's just yet another unsubstaniated statement.



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reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 04:01 PM by rich23


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Detailed links to support this, please, with primary sources.



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reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 06:07 PM by thedman


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Links with references

www.911myths.com...



Not that expect you to believe it - will find some excuse.....



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reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 06:37 PM by ThaLoccster


Originally posted by rich23

From what I've read, there were rather a lot of Raytheon employees on the passenger lists.



I've often speculated about this.

I believe a lot of the people to die on the planes, civilian contractor and military personnel that is, were in positions that would be required for 9/11 to be carried out the way some believe it may have been.

Some of the positions are..

William E. Caswell – 54, was a third-generation physicist whose work at the Navy was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day.

John D. Yamnicky Sr. – 71, of Waldorf, Md., was a retired naval aviator, but worked as a defense contractor for Veridian Corp. Involved in many black box operations.

Wilson Flagg – 62, of Millwood, Virginia. Pentagon consultant, and retired Navy Admiral and pilot with American Airlines before his retirement.

Stanley Hall – 68, of Rancho Palos Verdes, California. Director of program management with Raytheon Electronics Warfare, helped develop and build anti-radar technology. “Our dean of electronic warfare,” said a colleague at Raytheon.

Bryan Jack – 48, of Alexandria, Virginia. Head of programming and fiscal economics in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, where he was a top budget analyst. He had worked at the Pentagon for 23 years. Colleagues say Jack, 48, was a brilliant mathematician and he was headed to California to give a lecture at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey. His wife is a high-ranking member of the military.

Keller, Chandler – 30, was a lead Propulsion Engineer and a Project Manager with Boeing Satellite Systems.
Dong Lee – 48, of Leesburg, Virginia, was an engineer with Boeing.
Ruben Ornedo – 39, of Los Angeles, was a propulsion engineer with Boeing. Born in the Philippines, he graduated from University of California, Los Angeles.

Robert Penninger – 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with defense contractor BAE Systems since 1990.

Robert R. Ploger III – 59, and his wife, Zandra Cooper, of Annandale, Virginia. He was a Navy commander, and a manager in the systems and software architecture department with Lockheed Martin Corp.

John Sammartino – 37, an engineer at XonTech Inc. in Rosslyn, he boarded American Airlines Flight 77 to attend a conference in Los Angeles. Out of college, Sammartino was hired as an engineer at the Naval Research Lab; he had worked 11 years at XonTech, a research and development firm involved in defense issues.

Leonard Taylor – of Reston, Va. was a technical manager at XonTech Inc., a research and development firm specializing in sensor technologies for defense and industry.
Vicki Yancey – a former naval electronics technician. She worked for Vredenburg, a Washington-based defense contractor. She was bound for a business conference in Reno.
In 1991, she wrote a letter to The Washington Post bringing attention to the demise of the one-income family. It led to her making an appearance before the Senate Finance Committee, where she testified over the struggles of middle-class families; mainstream media followed up on her story.

Charles Burlingame – A 1971 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, Charles F. Burlingame III was captain of American Airlines Flight 77.

Mark Burlingame said his brother was in the Navy Reserve and had worked in the same area of the Pentagon where the airliner crashed. When he was in the Navy, he developed anti-terror strategies, and helped draft the Pentagon’s emergency response plan in case it was ever hit by a airliner.

Also, the Pentagon section that was hit housed not only the office with the budget analysts (not sure what the official title or offices would be called) but the Office of Naval Intelligence. If wargames were ongoing rather real or a part of the 9/11 event they surely would have been involved in it.

Interesting points to ponder.



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reply posted on 3-10-2009 @ 06:47 AM by rich23


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The links in the article you cite don't work, so one can't see the original lists. The story about the passenger lists still doesn't add up.

It seems kind of odd that, after all these years, we don't have any proper lists: the article you refer to admits it. Let alone the problems with the hijackers' identities which aren't mentioned in any of the links.



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reply posted on 3-10-2009 @ 03:59 PM by Swampfox46_1999


CBSnews.com dated September 14, 2001...


The Boston Globe reported on its web site Thursday that it had obtained a copy of the complete manifest list of the planes hijacked from Boston.

The Globe said according to the manifest, Mohamed Atta, one of the suspected terrorists, was assigned seat 8D in business class on American Airlines Flight 11, directly across the aisle from Hollywood producer David Angell and his wife, Lynn, who were in seats 8A and 8B, respectively. Seated next to Atta in seat 8G was Abdul Alomari. FBI investigators have searched Alomari's home in Vero Beach.

The Globe reported the passenger list for United Air Lines Flight 175 shows that Marwan Alshehri got on the plane that left Boston and slammed into one of the Manhattan skyscrapers 15 minutes after Flight 11. An FAA pilot directory information spelled his name Marwan Alshehhi.




www.cbsnews.com...

And to try this again...

911myths.com...


It has copies of the manifests themselves...each of which shows the names of the hijackers.



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